Gaffney Update

[Sk1310]

Not sure why everyone is getting upset at Rose. All he wants is Roy to stop recruiting the heavy leans to certain schools, like Giles and Carter for example, and start focusing more of his time on the Coby Whites, Leaky Blacks and Jermiah Francis. Nothing absurd about any of that. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

 

[montana_heel]

It would be pretty boring if we all thought the same and agreed on everything.

I don't know Gaffney from Carey other than what I read here. I do remember hearing he is a huge UNC fan. Could be a variety of things that are niggling at Roy to prevent an offer. Just seems odd.

I do agree with others that it seems Roy has not read his chances with top recruits lately with accuracy enough to have someone waiting in the wings. If that were true, we would have a higher rated front court.

It could just be a run of bad luck or who knows what but the last few years have certainly not been par for the course in the recruiting area. The 2018 group might be a swinging of the pendulum back to what is more typical. I really would like to see a big that is highly regarded commit. Seems like forever since we had one come in. Maybe that is due to Tony being a one and done.

 

[RoseHeel]

Not sure why everyone is getting upset at Rose. All he wants is Roy to stop recruiting the heavy leans to certain schools, like Giles and Carter for example, and start focusing more of his time on the Coby Whites, Leaky Blacks and Jermiah Francis. Nothing absurd about any of that. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

I guess just wanting to see Roy doing what he does best equates to me obviously knowing more than him.

Lmao.

 

[dadika13]

and the results ends the same each time.

You're right, the result is we win championships.

 

[gunslingerdick]

So you're asking me to prove something that you've already admitted was unprovable? Jesus F**king Christ

The information is already there. Whether you choose to put 2 and 2 together is up to you.

You're right. It is up to the individual whether we want to try very hard to connect the dots that lead to a negative spin on our program. But it's not putting 2 and 2 together. It's more like putting 2.384063 and 1.873952 together. It seems you're willing to go the extra mile for the negative where as most of us are happy to take it at face value and be positive about it. It's choice that says a lot about each person.

 

[gunslingerdick]

If that's how you took it, then you've misunderstood. Never once did I say I knew more than Roy. While I may not always agree with his recruiting decisions, I'm very happy with what he does. I'm just tired of having to hear the same rehashed BS recited any time someone points out anything negative about our recruiting.

Maybe I need to have a disclaimer in my signature any time I post anything critical here. Since apparently saying anything that isn't stroking the consensus of the masses is received so poorly and gets bastardized down to "I obviously know better than Roy Williams".

Then what do you seek to accomplish with your incessant whining? You want other poasters to join in? You just want your feelings to be known? You want to have another ill-informed poaster argue with you or explain their side? I'm seriously curious as to what is the end goal for you with your constant negativity regarding the way recruits.

 

[gauchoheel]

Not sure why everyone is getting upset at Rose. All he wants is Roy to stop recruiting the heavy leans to certain schools, like Giles and Carter for example, and start focusing more of his time on the Coby Whites, Leaky Blacks and Jermiah Francis. Nothing absurd about any of that. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

I tried debating Rose point-by-point on where I thought his argument was weak. So far I've not received a response. The ensuing discussion has been much less interesting IMO.

 

[RoseHeel]

You're right, the result is we win.

Then by this logic, what is the point of discussion on this board if everything is just going to be boiled down to "we win"? All those other threads with speculation about or teams should just be deleted.

Then what do you seek to accomplish with your incessant whining? You want other poasters to join in? You just want your feelings to be known? You want to have another ill-informed poaster argue with you or explain their side? I'm seriously curious as to what is the end goal for you with your constant negativity regarding the way recruits.

It truly amazes me that someone can be this dense.

It's a forum. The point of a forum is to discuss. The thread was doing just that until you arrived with your vapid crack at me. You just seem to have such a hard time grasping this concept, as well as the idea that someone may not have the same opinion as your own.

I think the real question here is why you're continuing to bitch and moan because I'm not sucking on the same amount of sunshine and farts as you do.

 

[RoseHeel]

I tried debating Rose point-by-point on where I thought his argument was weak. So far I've not received a response. The ensuing discussion has been much less interesting IMO.

I get a new response every other minute, dude. I didn't even see it until now.

 

[gauchoheel]

I get a new response every other minute, dude. I didn't even see it until now.

A lot of these responses are just trolling you. They don't even merit a response if you ask me.

 

[RoseHeel]

Which players do you think the writing is on the wall for? Carey, Bacot, and Wiseman, probably. Hurt too? I think the other players we've looked at most people think we have a shot for, so it's just some top ranked bigs we're pursuing really. But then Roy has looked at Baker, Robinson-Earl, Gaffney, and several other wings.

Def. Carey, Bacot and Wiseman. I think our shot is as good as any of the other 6 on Hurt's list, but I don't think we'll get him in the end, unfortunately.

I def. think our best shot is with Baker, but he could end up being an in-state kid.

As for Robinson-Earl and Gaffney, until an offer comes it's all just speculation.

Who did we stop pursuing to go after Coby White?

Devon Dotson. Which clearly worked out in our favor, as I think Coby is the better player.

Isn't this argument lessened by the fact we've already got Francis aboard? Roy found a PG he really liked who wasn't the top ranked guy and loved UNC, and went out and got him. That seems to be what you're advocating for.

Yep, and are the guys I'm talking about.

Even in that 2014 class that brought us the National Title people seem to keep wanting to remind me of had a lot of guys we landed just like that. JJacks and Berry took one OV before committing. We virtually had zero competition for either of them. Even with Pinson, who had a Dook offer, our main competition was Indiana near the end of his recruitment.

It's no secret that we haven't won a top tier recruiting battle when many big names are involved in quite some time. So why wouldn't I want Roy to work within his perceived wheelhouse?

 

[gunslingerdick]

It's a forum. The point of a forum is to discuss. The thread was doing just that until you arrived with your vapid crack at me. You just seem to have such a hard time grasping this concept, as well as the idea that someone may not have the same opinion as your own.

I think the real question here is why you're continuing to bitch and moan because I'm not sucking on the same amount of sunshine and farts as you do.

Fair enough. Let's backtrack and start this "discussion" over.

Your original point was that Roy is "wasting his time" on some guys and spurning guys that you think we have a better shot with. Is that correct? In an effort for discussion I'll ask you...what makes you believe we don't have a shot at some guys and we have a better shot at other guys? In other words, what drives you to this opinion? Stuff you read from supposed recruiting guys? Have you spoken with these recruits personally? I'm being serious, how have you formed this opinion of yours?

 

[gauchoheel]

Devon Dotson. Which clearly worked out in our favor, as I think Coby is the better player.

I don't think Roy stopped recruiting Dotson though. He just gave offers to both and said first-come, first serve. Dotson seemed pretty peeved when Coby committed.

Def. Carey, Bacot and Wiseman. I think our shot is as good as any of the other 6 on Hurt's list, but I don't think we'll get him in the end, unfortunately.

I def. think our best shot is with Baker, but he could end up being an in-state kid.

As for Robinson-Earl and Gaffney, until an offer comes it's all just speculation.

Fair.

Even in that 2014 class that brought us the National Title people seem to keep wanting to remind me of had a lot of guys we landed just like that. JJacks and Berry took one OV before committing. We virtually had zero competition for either of them. Even with Pinson, who had a Dook offer, our main competition was Indiana near the end of his recruitment.

Howcome JJ and Berry had so little competition? This is only my third season following the team, so I know nothing about their recruitment.

It's no secret that we haven't won a top tier recruiting battle when many big names are involved in quite some time. So why wouldn't I want Roy to work within his perceived wheelhouse?

I think he is to some extent. He's targeting players in the 15-50 range, not just focusing on top 5-10 guys. That is his wheelhouse.

Try playing along with my POV for a minute. Let's say Roy has a valid concern about Gaffney, whether its makeup, fit, ability, or whatever. For some reason he is not sure he actually wants Gaffney on the team at this point. How do you think Roy should proceed from here?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Try playing along with my POV for a minute. Let's say Roy has a valid concern about Gaffney, whether its makeup, fit, ability, or whatever. For some reason he is not sure he actually wants Gaffney on the team at this point. How do you think Roy should proceed from here?

Great question to spark discussion on this message board forum.

 

[jah420]

Just saw this Clint Jackson tweet. (Link is to Gafney’s coaches Twitter account)

 

[RoseHeel]

Really not a fan of those cryptic tweets. Could literally mean anything. But seeing that' a coach is visiting tonight @ 8, it could mean an offer is coming. And we all know he likes UNC.

 

[Archer2]

Who was that watching?

 

[gauchoheel]

Really not a fan of those cryptic tweets. Could literally mean anything. But seeing that' a coach is visiting tonight @ 8, it could mean an offer is coming. And we all know he likes UNC.

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I'm still curious to your thoughts on this Roseheel:

"Try playing along with my POV for a minute. Let's say Roy has a valid concern about Gaffney, whether its makeup, fit, ability, or whatever. For some reason he is not sure he actually wants Gaffney on the team at this point. How do you think Roy should proceed from here?"

 

[dadika13]

I'm guessing an offer is coming. I think I heard something about his grades being the reason we may have backed off previously but that appears to be rectified.

 

[RoseHeel]

I'm still curious to your thoughts on this Roseheel:

"Try playing along with my POV for a minute. Let's say Roy has a valid concern about Gaffney, whether its makeup, fit, ability, or whatever. For some reason he is not sure he actually wants Gaffney on the team at this point. How do you think Roy should proceed from here?"

I chose to avoid this question since my opinion was twisted into me knowing better than Roy.

But anyway, if Roy thinks Gaffney is a bad fit for the team or there's "baggage", then I'd imagine he won't give him the offer and move on, like he did with Joey Baker. Which is fine, but we still need a SF in 2019 since Nas is highly likely to be OAD.

I was concerned since Moore flaked on us, Hurt hasn't tipped his hand in our favor, and it didn't seem we had any alternatives for these 2 guys. If Gaffney gets an offer tonight/soon, it would signal we've began to move on from Moore as our primary target.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Not sure why everyone is getting upset at Rose. All he wants is Roy to stop recruiting the heavy leans to certain schools, like Giles and Carter for example, and start focusing more of his time on the Coby Whites, Leaky Blacks and Jermiah Francis. Nothing absurd about any of that. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

He's entitled to that opinion.

Others on the board don't want Roy to stop trying to get the Giles, Carters etc because, believe it or not, Roy will land one or two.

Sure, he hasn't in recent years, but there's been some pretty big shenanigans in that time too - "The Scandal" being just one, slander on the recruiting trail is another.

And yes, none of us know the full picture, the insides and outs of Roys recruiting and who he's really going for and not....

So indulge me, I'd like to share a story that goes further back than Barnes:
Some time ago Roy was looking for a top flight PF prospect.... he'd just whiffed on the top in-state guy (chose Dook) and had offered the next best two.
I wanted him to land the kid from Alabama - 6-8, 250... can't miss!
But the #3 PF committed to Roy first... he was a 6-8, 220 guy from Poplar Bluff Missouri....
You can see where this is going....
Roy had swung and missed on McRoberts, was actively recruiting both Hendrix and Hansbrough.... and many on this board wanted him to land Hendrix!!

Who knows what was going on behind the scenes, but maybe Roy knew what he was getting all along.

 

[RP12]

Considering how different the tone and behaviors are between Roy and K I continue to be amazed/bewildered/doubtful that a kid could be seriously considering both.

I'm looking for a car...either going Prius or Challenger Demon.

I know at his best K sounds more like Roy than he really is but still.

 

[dadika13]

FYI, Roy didn't attend last night.

 

[Steat]

Moore has it in his head that he is OAD. Hopefully, Roy will tell him to go see a psychologist.