GOP debate

[strummingram]

If you want to beat the enemy, it behooves one to understand them. They are motivated by Islamic jihad, not tribalism, not the United States, etc,....

They will keep attacking and killing until stopped, and that will include attacks over here. Trying to be nice to them, applauding Islam or any of the other things you espouse will not change that. You either kill them, or they will kill you.

Simple as that.

I'm not in this life to "beat the enemy", okay? That's not my path in life. If you have that much of a hard-on for "You either kill them, or they will kill you", then try getting off this message board, strap-on some plastic explosives and suicide-bomb your nearest mosque. You and I both know you lack the resolve to do that... so, between the two of us, I can actually back my plan up with action. You're a bunch of talk and hate-talk at that. You preach fear and hatred and call it the right thing to do. Are you prepared to cart yourself over to Syria and start shooting at people you don't know? If not, then I'll keep your "Islam means War" tirades going through my Bullshit filter.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I'm not dodging the question. You're asking me how something should be administered that has no direct impact on me.

Yes I realize that.

I'm hardly the person who would be responsible for arbitrary actions of strangers against other strangers.

Yes I realize that as well

This entire discussion is somewhat futile because WE, the individuals here, are 1) not going to be involved in what happens 2) not going to have any direct say-so in what is done anyway!

Again, this is correct. But unfortunately you're still avoiding answering how the consequences should be administered. I realize its not you're job/position to dole out punishments/rewards. I realize you're not affected by the actions of others, or the administration of punishments/rewards, I realize whatever we discuss in this thread will have absolutely no bearing on what actually happens in the world, I realize you want to side-step this badly, but I just want to know how you think people should receive the consequences for their actions.

If you want to talk specific examples about things that I have some direct involvement in, fine. I cannot ever imagine committing a premeditated act of murder. Why? Because that would do more harm to ME than I can bear.

But do you feel like if there's someone out there who can bear any harm to themselves enough to commit premeditated murder, that they should feel free to do so?

 

[theJRG1]

Calling it a religion doesn't make it one. Islam is not a religion; it is a global conquest strategy, It is Totalitarianism wrapped in theology, and bears more resemblance to Socialism and Communism than any actual religion. There is no "allah". Mo was a murdering, raping, pedophile, and buggerer of beasts!...not a "prophet".

On the other hand, Jesus was God's Light to the world. And is the Son of God. There, I said it.

An early Merry Christmas to my fellow Jesus freaks.

Does the floating guy remind y'all of anyone in this forum?

 

[strummingram]

how you think people should receive the consequences for their actions.

Which people?

But do you feel like if there's someone out there who can bear any harm to themselves enough to commit premeditated murder, that they should feel free to do so?

Do I have a choice in that? Do I think they SHOULD feel that way? I think that's completely out of my hands. I would PREFER it if they didn't! If they were to ask me "Should I kill these people?" I'd instruct them with "No, that's not what I would do."

 

[strummingram]

Calling it a religion doesn't make it one. Islam is not a religion; it is a global conquest strategy, It is Totalitarianism wrapped in theology, and bears more resemblance to Socialism and Communism than any actual religion. There is no "allah". Mo was a murdering, raping, pedophile, and buggerer of beasts!...not a "prophet".

On the other hand, Jesus was God's Light to the world. And is the Son of God. There, I said it.

An early Merry Christmas to my fellow Jesus freaks.

Does the floating guy remind y'all of anyone in this forum?

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I hate to tell you, but your God and their God are the same God. It would help immensely if you'd realize that. Try hard... please. Try harder than you ever have.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Which people?

All people. Just for example, someone who does something evil like killing numerous innocent people in a suicide bombing.

Do I have a choice in that? Do I think they SHOULD feel that way? I think that's completely out of my hands. I would PREFER it if they didn't! If they were to ask me "Should I kill these people?" I'd instruct them with "No, that's not what I would do."

And what should their consequences be if they go ahead and kill those people anyways? How about if there was another person, that instructed them to do it, and vows to instruct others to do the same. What should be the consequence for that action?

 

[strummingram]

All people. Just for example, someone who does something evil like killing numerous innocent people in a suicide bombing.



And what should their consequences be if they go ahead and kill those people anyways? How about if there was another person, that instructed them to do it, and vows to instruct others to do the same. What should be the consequence for that action?

I give up.. what should the consequences be?

I'm not here to pass-out condemnation and punishment for what OTHER people do or don't do. I can tell you that I don't think mimicking their behavior is a good solution or consequence. For example, I don't believe that murdering a murderer because they murdered is going to stem future murders by other people. State executions are just a display of revenge. Revenge is what might motivate people to murder to start with. I don't think the consequence of "let's be more destructive and lethal than the others" has helped to subside the motivation behind being more destructive and lethal than others. Do you? It still seems to be pretty popular.

So, I'm all for not mimicking the behaviors that brought us the problems we have. I'm in the extreme minority, so, look for more of the same problems we have. Invest in munitions. At least you'll benefit financially.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I'd argue state executions have a preventative measure about them as opposed to just revenge.

If someone wanted to kill someone else, and after doing so they would get a slap on the wrist, and told "you really shouldn't have done that, but it's not my place to pass out punishment" I think they would be more likely to go ahead and kill that person, than if they would potentially face an executioner themselves if they went through with it.

 

[randman1]

I'm not in this life to "beat the enemy", okay? That's not my path in life. If you have that much of a hard-on for "You either kill them, or they will kill you", then try getting off this message board, strap-on some plastic explosives and suicide-bomb your nearest mosque. You and I both know you lack the resolve to do that... so, between the two of us, I can actually back my plan up with action. You're a bunch of talk and hate-talk at that. You preach fear and hatred and call it the right thing to do. Are you prepared to cart yourself over to Syria and start shooting at people you don't know? If not, then I'll keep your "Islam means War" tirades going through my Bullshit filter.

So you are not an American? If you are, then you are part of a collective effort or non-effort to either be conquered by the enemy or to beat him whether you like it or not.

 

[randman1]

I hate to tell you, but your God and their God are the same God. It would help immensely if you'd realize that. Try hard... please. Try harder than you ever have.

No, it's not the same God at all. Islam is a cult of death and slavery. That's what Islam is. What do you think jihad really is, strum?

 

[strummingram]

So you are not an American? If you are, then you are part of a collective effort or non-effort to either be conquered by the enemy or to beat him whether you like it or not.

No, I don't belong to a tribe. Sorry. Well, I do belong to a tribe, but the members are busy making sub-tribes.
I mean, I guess that since I live in the plot of land known as America, that others identify me as such. I was born in Tennessee, grew up in Virginia and North Carolina and reside in South Carolina now. So, it's hard to keep up with just exactly which tribe or location I am supposed to have the most feigned allegiance toward.


I am a Tar Heels fan. I also like the Washington Redskins. But, that's about as tribal as I get.

 

[strummingram]

No, it's not the same God at all. Islam is a cult of death and slavery. That's what Islam is. What do you think jihad really is, strum?

I think it's something you're afraid of and something people use to make you afraid of them. Jihad is just another word for "Freedom" or "Justice" or, one of my new favorites "American Exceptionalism", or any other rallying cry that gets people whipped-up in a frenzy to feel justified to go and attack other people, or, at the very least, feel superior to some alleged "enemy" that is usually trumped-up by people in power to get the rest of the people to start abandoning their own better nature because the King's supply of gold is getting low (to use a more dated reference).

I love the idea that there are multiple super-human Gods floating around in the sky (or parallel universe or wherever) that are duking-it-out over which one is the most powerful. Sounds just like earth!

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I love the idea that there are multiple super-human Gods floating around in the sky (or parallel universe or wherever) that are duking-it-out over which one is the most powerful. Sounds just like earth!

I don't love this idea. It is because of this idea that some people feel the need to suicide bomb and shoot up crowds in order to please their god in an attempt to show that their god is the most powerful.

 

[strummingram]

I don't love this idea. It is because of this idea that some people feel the need to suicide bomb and shoot up crowds in order to please their god in an attempt to show that their god is the most powerful.

I was trying to be sarcastic. I failed. I think it's a foolish, juvenile idea. But, it's popular.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I'm not in this life to "beat the enemy", okay? That's not my path in life. If you have that much of a hard-on for "You either kill them, or they will kill you", then try getting off this message board, strap-on some plastic explosives and suicide-bomb your nearest mosque. You and I both know you lack the resolve to do that... so, between the two of us, I can actually back my plan up with action. You're a bunch of talk and hate-talk at that. You preach fear and hatred and call it the right thing to do. Are you prepared to cart yourself over to Syria and start shooting at people you don't know? If not, then I'll keep your "Islam means War" tirades going through my Bullshit filter.

LOL

This can't be for real.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I can actually back my plan up with action.

How so? It seems your plan of action is..... inaction.

 

[randman1]

I think it's something you're afraid of and something people use to make you afraid of them. Jihad is just another word for "Freedom" or "Justice" or, one of my new favorites "American Exceptionalism", or any other rallying cry that gets people whipped-up in a frenzy to feel justified to go and attack other people, or, at the very least, feel superior to some alleged "enemy" that is usually trumped-up by people in power to get the rest of the people to start abandoning their own better nature because the King's supply of gold is getting low (to use a more dated reference).

I love the idea that there are multiple super-human Gods floating around in the sky (or parallel universe or wherever) that are duking-it-out over which one is the most powerful. Sounds just like earth!

You think wrong. I am no more afraid of this evil than any other like neo-nazis or whomever.

 

[strummingram]

How so? It seems your plan of action is..... inaction.

I'm just not on-board with trying to "out-kill" them... that's all.

 

[strummingram]

You think wrong. I am no more afraid of this evil than any other like neo-nazis or whomever.

Bullshit. You're immersed in fear. Otherwise you wouldn't preach about how evil it is and how it threatens our lives. If that's not fear, then you've decided to redefine it entirely. You can spin it so as to not feel emasculated, but it's still fear.

 

[strummingram]

I'd argue state executions have a preventative measure about them as opposed to just revenge.

If someone wanted to kill someone else, and after doing so they would get a slap on the wrist, and told "you really shouldn't have done that, but it's not my place to pass out punishment" I think they would be more likely to go ahead and kill that person, than if they would potentially face an executioner themselves if they went through with it.

Sorry, I missed this earlier.

I suppose the possibility of one's own execution, or some other miserable alternative, can dissuade a rational person from actually committing murder. However, I'm not sure rational people commit murders. I'm not implying we toss all social laws and their accountability statutes out the door. But, most people only follow, or obey, laws in as much as they feel like obeying them doesn't inconvenience them more than disobeying them. Each person has their own variables.

 

[randman1]

Bullshit. You're immersed in fear. Otherwise you wouldn't preach about how evil it is and how it threatens our lives. If that's not fear, then you've decided to redefine it entirely. You can spin it so as to not feel emasculated, but it's still fear.

It is evil. Recognizing evil is not fear as you surmise.

 

[theJRG1]

I failed.

Dude, based solely on your participation in this forum, if failure was an Olympic sport, you could go pro.

 

[strummingram]

Dude, based solely on your participation in this forum, if failure was an Olympic sport, you could go pro.

Well, Olympians earn nothing for participating in the Olympics, so your analogy itself is failure. Good thing analogies are not an Olympic sport.

I see failure as a step forward. Mistakes make a person wiser. Actually, to put it better, admitting to mistakes makes a person wiser. Humility is a rare trait.

 

[theJRG1]

Segue back to the original topic? Sure, why not...

This guy seems capable of using his own mistakes for self-improvement. I don't need a "leader" (an earthly one, anyway), nor even remotely a president (or the attendant apparatus), but I do like what he says in this video. Hope you do as well.

 

[theJRG1]

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