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Has UNC won the rivalry with duke, is it over?

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I have watched multiple pod casts, as I know you guys have as well, and the tones from our side seems to think the rivalry is over, UNC won, K is gone. So is that the case?

I don't think, I don't think it will be over 10yrs from now, 50yrs from now, as long as UNC and duke has sports, as long as UNC and duke basketball still exist, that rivalry will remain. A lot of young folks don't understand why many of we older folk still hate the wuffies like we do, they are not much of a rival because we own their mangy arses and the most found wuffie dreams are to maybe one day be seen as near equal to UNC, yeah, well like Steven Tyler said, DREAM ON!

No the rivalry has just entered a new stage but it not only remains but could get even hotter, you know duke is thirsting for pay back for the complete and total destruction of K's farewell tour. That is my opinion, what think you?
 
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DSouthr said:
I have watched multiple pod casts, as I know you guys have as well, and the tones from our side seems to think the rivalry is over, UNC won, K is gone. So is that the case?

I don't think, I don't think it will be over 10yrs from now, 50yrs from now, as long as UNC and duke has sports, as long as UNC and duke basketball still exist, that rivalry will remain. A lot of young folks don't understand why many of we older folk still hate the wuffies like we do, they are not much of a rival because we own their mangy arses and the most found wuffie dreams are to maybe one day be seen as near equal to UNC, yeah, well like Steven Tyler said, DREAM ON!

No the rivalry has just entered a new stage but it not only remains but could get even hotter, you know duke is thirsting for pay back for the complete and total destruction of K's farewell tour. That is my opinion, what think you?
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I think the K rivalry with Dook is over and it ended in a victory for the good guys ( Go look at my Post UNC vs Dook stats) The next phase begins fir me this coming year. Hubert vs Sheyerface.
 
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Never! lol

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I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that period of time when dook and K feasted on our dysfunction between Dean and Roy. As far as I'm concerned, the rivalry is red hot and will remain so until we exact proper revenge. Then, my hope is that we can treat dook like an afterthought, the same way we think about the wuffies.
 
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The rivalry is just entering a new phase but is no less intense. Davis and Scheyer will write the next chapter of a long book. When you look at the fact that we were 50-50 against Coach K, then you can see why the rivalry burns so intense. And both programs are quality programs only 8 miles apart.
 
With K gone, the rivalry is not the same but it's still on. I will never forget that we shit on his party and we're also the team who ended his career. We fought valiantly in the championship game but the game before meant just as much to me if not more. With Cryer as coach they WILL NOT have the same mojo as Rat Vader... his first season will be a joke compared to Hubert's. We will own them for seasons to come.
 
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I agree with TCB- new phase starts now. It just needs to be competitive to stay heated. If it turns NVSU ish for either side and “does NOT always deliver” the shine will come off.
 
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I agree with you DSouthr: the rivalry is not over, and I don't see why anyone would think it is. It will continue to be a battle just like the Yankees vs Red Sox, Michigan vs Ohio State, Amy Schumer vs actual humor, etc.
 
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The Rivalry is certainly not over, BUT the duke side took a huge Kansas elbow to Brady’s face blow.
It’s gonna leave a mark…
 
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Yeah, of course the rivalry will continue and it will continue to be red hot. It has now gone on to the next stage with K gone, scheyer will be just as easy to hate, don't worry! LOL

This thing has survived Dean and Roy stepping down, it will survive K's exit. UNC fans learned when Dean stepped down, it is hard to replace a legend, scheyer in some ways reminds me of Doherty when he took over from Gut. Very fiery personality that is put in way over his head and way to soon. Matt didn't handle it well but who knows how well scheyer can.

For now we have the bragging rights, duke has had a cycle of being on top of the ACC, that cycle flips back and forth every few years. UNC did have and advantage how ever because we went thru our major transition many years ago when Dean stepped away, went thru the temp transition to Gut, endured the transition to to Matt, but UNC had Roy Williams in the wings, thru Gut and Matt we always knew Roy was back there and some day... Who is duke's Roy Williams?

UNC actually accomplished something else this past season, we successfully transitioned from Roy to Hubert. While granted, it wasn't like going from Dean to Gut, when we always knew Gut was just a temporary stand in, Gut wanted to retire with Dean, he had to be talked in to taking the gig and after each season he coached until he finally said I don't want to do this any longer. Scheyer seems like that temporary stand in but there is no Roy out there in their wings, he seems to fit the Matt role because he is strung pretty tight. And with Hubert setting the bar to an almost impossible height, perception is going to mean a ton of pressure on scheyer to try to match that.

Hubert is coming with a loaded team next season, Scheyer gets a K departing gift of yet another big recruiting class, yawn, seen that movie. LOL But how long will scheyer be able to keep bringing in #1 classes if the wins begin to fade off, when UNC is considered to be the hot place to play (which is the over all perception in recruiting circles now with Hubert). What happens when all the sudden dukle is no longer able to pull in #1 classes every season just as UNCs perception grows? Then scheyer will have to show coaching chops, not just baby sitting big time talents chops. Hubert showed amazing coaching chops this past season so we know what Hubert can do with less talent, how will scheyer handle that a couple years from now when he starts replacing #1 recruiting classes with top 20 recruiting classes, that is the real test, that is when the real pressure will show up, the pressure that matt struggled with !
 
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DSouthr said:
Yeah, of course the rivalry will continue and it will continue to be red hot. It has now gone on to the next stage with K gone, scheyer will be just as easy to hate, don't worry! LOL

This thing has survived Dean and Roy stepping down, it will survive K's exit. UNC fans learned when Dean stepped down, it is hard to replace a legend, scheyer in some ways reminds me of Doherty when he took over from Gut. Very fiery personality that is put in way over his head and way to soon. Matt didn't handle it well but who knows how well scheyer can.

For now we have the bragging rights, duke has had a cycle of being on top of the ACC, that cycle flips back and forth every few years. UNC did have and advantage how ever because we went thru our major transition many years ago when Dean stepped away, went thru the temp transition to Gut, endured the transition to to Matt, but UNC had Roy Williams in the wings, thru Gut and Matt we always knew Roy was back there and some day... Who is duke's Roy Williams?

UNC actually accomplished something else this past season, we successfully transitioned from Roy to Hubert. While granted, it wasn't like going from Dean to Gut, when we always knew Gut was just a temporary stand in, Gut wanted to retire with Dean, he had to be talked in to taking the gig and after each season he coached until he finally said I don't want to do this any longer. Scheyer seems like that temporary stand in but there is no Roy out there in their wings, he seems to fit the Matt role because he is strung pretty tight. And with Hubert setting the bar to an almost impossible height, perception is going to mean a ton of pressure on scheyer to try to match that.

Hubert is coming with a loaded team next season, Scheyer gets a K departing gift of yet another big recruiting class, yawn, seen that movie. LOL But how long will scheyer be able to keep bringing in #1 classes if the wins begin to fade off, when UNC is considered to be the hot place to play (which is the over all perception in recruiting circles now with Hubert). What happens when all the sudden dukle is no longer able to pull in #1 classes every season just as UNCs perception grows? Then scheyer will have to show coaching chops, not just baby sitting big time talents chops. Hubert showed amazing coaching chops this past season so we know what Hubert can do with less talent, how will scheyer handle that a couple years from now when he starts replacing #1 recruiting classes with top 20 recruiting classes, that is the real test, that is when the real pressure will show up, the pressure that matt struggled with !
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when a recruit comes in to play for a Dean or a K, he is faced with a coach who exudes authority and confidence and has the rep to justify it.. Even then, these young superrecruits have egos of their own, and they can be hard to handle even for the maestros. I believe Matt's problem was trying to rule with the heavy hand of a maestro before he had established a rep. I just hope the face falls into the same trap of trying to be sheshevski right off the bat. The transfer portal might end up being a good thing for us in a different way.

I honestly believe for reasons that I won't bother going into that if he settles on those top twenty type classes, he'll end up being a bigger threat than he would with #1 classes.
 
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New era - but very much alive. Nothing against Roy, Dean or K but they never played in the rivalry. If anything I think it’s only going to get more heated moving forward as long as the guys on the bench played in those games. Carrawell and Hubert’s handshake issue was the start and us ending it in the FF only adds fuel to a fire that I see burning for awhile.
 
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to be honest, I'm sure most of us understand that this was actually a UNC/sheshevski rivalry. He happened to be the dook coach so it's proper to say it was a dook/UNC rivalry; but I know I'm not the only one who has equated dook with K almost as long as he was there. But since dook allowed him to hang his hat there, the continued rivalry is really carryover from his tenure as much or more than it is school-to-school. And that carryover takes with it the hate that a decent rivalry generates. I hope that Scheyer can bring about some continued hate because otherwise there's going to be a big hole in my psyche. I loved hating sheshevski.
 
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DSouthr said:
I have watched multiple pod casts, as I know you guys have as well, and the tones from our side seems to think the rivalry is over, UNC won, K is gone. So is that the case?

I don't think, I don't think it will be over 10yrs from now, 50yrs from now, as long as UNC and duke has sports, as long as UNC and duke basketball still exist, that rivalry will remain. A lot of young folks don't understand why many of we older folk still hate the wuffies like we do, they are not much of a rival because we own their mangy arses and the most found wuffie dreams are to maybe one day be seen as near equal to UNC, yeah, well like Steven Tyler said, DREAM ON!

No the rivalry has just entered a new stage but it not only remains but could get even hotter, you know duke is thirsting for pay back for the complete and total destruction of K's farewell tour. That is my opinion, what think you?
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Maybe for our generation D but like you said, rivalries don't die .. they merely evolve. But it was surely sweet to see K get his ass kicked in his final game in the barn and then again in the final four .. he will never forget or live that down.
 
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Hubert 2, Rat 1 ... i will always love that stat.

i hated Face when he was a player, i'm sure it wont change as a coach. there were UNC fans in the 60's and 70's who thought Moo U would always be our main rival, and we all see how that changed. time will tell.
 
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bluetoe said:
to be honest, I'm sure most of us understand that this was actually a UNC/sheshevski rivalry. He happened to be the dook coach so it's proper to say it was a dook/UNC rivalry; but I know I'm not the only one who has equated dook with K almost as long as he was there. But since dook allowed him to hang his hat there, the continued rivalry is really carryover from his tenure as much or more than it is school-to-school. And that carryover takes with it the hate that a decent rivalry generates. I hope that Scheyer can bring about some continued hate because otherwise there's going to be a big hole in my psyche. I loved hating sheshevski.
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The UNC versus Duke all time rivalry consensus attitude only came about after shefsky became the coach
 
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It's never over. Dook basketball could become as bad as their football; we could beat the snot out of them 10 years in a row, and it still would be ON!
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That's not correct. It's not the case at all. If their program dwindled to nothing, and they were beatable, and we beat them, year after year after year. It would diminish into nothing. Much like the NC State rivalry has become.
 
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That's not correct. It's not the case at all. If their program dwindled to nothing, and they were beatable, and we beat them, year after year after year. It would diminish into nothing. Much like the NC State rivalry has become.
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That happened only on our side, and it only happened on our side because we had Dook. The fierce rivalry with Moo basketball is dormant on our side now, but remains red hot for them. If we get swept by that crap next year, it will start to heat back up for us. If Moo were to get a real coach and start beating us 60% of the time over 5 years, it would be back to red hot on our side.
 
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The UNC versus Duke all time rivalry consensus attitude only came about after shefsky became the coach
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not sure just what you mean here, but if you mean that the rivalry before K was just another ACC rivalry, I agree with that for the most part.. For the most part because the proximity of the schools, the public/private structures, and the cultural differences have always been the source of an edge between them. Then there were the very good teams that dook put together before K, and incidents like Larry Brown and Art Heyman starting an on-court brawl during a game. There was a lot of acrimony between the two teams at that time. I'd have to say a decent rivalry had developed even before K.

But the downright hatred is reserved for K/dook.
 
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not sure just what you mean here, but if you mean that the rivalry before K was just another ACC rivalry, I agree with that for the most part.. For the most part because the proximity of the schools, the public/private structures, and the cultural differences have always been the source of an edge between them. Then there were the very good teams that dook put together before K, and incidents like Larry Brown and Art Heyman starting an on-court brawl during a game. There was a lot of acrimony between the two teams at that time. I'd have to say a decent rivalry had developed even before K.

But the downright hatred is reserved for K/dook.
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Yeah. When I was a little kid in the seventies, growing up in eastern North carolina, Duke rarely ever came into the conversation anywhere. It was State Carolina. The Duke rivalry came after shevski became popular, and successful.
 
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That happened only on our side, and it only happened on our side because we had Dook. The fierce rivalry with Moo basketball is dormant on our side now, but remains red hot for them. If we get swept by that crap next year, it will start to heat back up for us. If Moo were to get a real coach and start beating us 60% of the time over 5 years, it would be back to red hot on our side.
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Rivalry, a real, legitimate rivalry, requires both sides. And, recognition from the general sports world. NC state has been basically a non-factor for decades. So they may just dislike unc, but that doesn't mean there's a strong rivalry anymore. Most older UNC fans remember the rivalry from when they were kids in the seventies, when NC State was a very good team. One of the last real rivalry feelings I ever had was in the late 90s when we faced them in the ACC tournament championship. And that's been 24 years ago?
 
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strummingram said:
That's not correct. It's not the case at all. If their program dwindled to nothing, and they were beatable, and we beat them, year after year after year. It would diminish into nothing. Much like the NC State rivalry has become.
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No, you really don't understand Tar Heel history. I remember as a little boy when State was the big rival and Dook sucked for the most part and yet my Dad's reaction to Dook was so different. I couldn't understand my Dad's perspective on Dook. He literally told my older brother it was spelled D O O K and my brother almost got into a fight because he was sure his Daddy wouldn't lie to him.

But over time I understood. It's almost part of being a true Tar Heel.

The Dook thing just goes deeper. Maybe not in football. I guess I can give you that but it's more than a sports rivalry.

Maybe trying to explain it just won't work. If you know, you know.
 
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Yeah. When I was a little kid in the seventies, growing up in eastern North carolina, Duke rarely ever came into the conversation anywhere. It was State Carolina. The Duke rivalry came after shevski became popular, and successful.
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No, the Dook rivalry preceded that. You just gotta come from a longer Carolina history to truly understand.
 
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