is there a coach in America that gets less out of what he has than Hubert Davis? Bubba please fire this nice man at the end of this cluster of a season.
Hubert Davis
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Yes, he needs to go but he will still be at UNC for many more years.
watch the staff in the background when they show Hubert. Hoots, Sullivan, Kirsch, etc and tell me people around him have confidence in what he’s doing.
Honestly seems to have the coaching chops of the average ESPN analyst. They’ll win enough in an awful ACC to feel like things are okay but they won’t likely beat a really good team all year unless they have a random great shooting night against dook.
if averaging 10 losses a season under Hubcaps isn’t bad enough to fire then damn we may be worse off than i thought. and that’s assuming we don’t lose more than 10 this season. smdh
If we lose 10 or less games I would be shocked. We have 2 Pitt losses coming, 2 Dook, a Clemson, and ACC Turnament loss and a NCAA tournament loss to look forward to if we can some how slide into that, and thats if we winn all the others.
12 is my prediction but we shall see! Maybe someone that matters will get tired of this shit and stop it.
But there is alot of crow to be ate for them to fire him and him not work out, and imagine the amount of "We Told You So" here when he don't work out. I'm already seeing some of the biggest supporters of Hubs starting to slide toward the exits.
Then who is the next coach? REAL candidates not a wish list. In the family or outside. Anyone who's last name is not Miller or Few.
Wes was my hope last time and still would like to see it but let’s be honest, you can’t possibly find the right guy if the wrong guy is sitting in the chair. Honestly outside of maybe recruiting I think multiple guys currently on the bench would be an upgrade.
Just fake a Family member like they did in Football..Bill was an avid fan at age 2 (insert small child on bleachers picture) his Dad was a positional coach in 1938 so welcome our family member back !
I actually believe Lebo would be an upgrade. Some of the stuff Lebo has drawn up has had a lot of success. I think he's also a good recruiter.
Hubert's trying to play small ball when neither he nor anyone on his staff has college coaching experience in a small ball system. Pat Sullivan had it in the NBA. And in fairness, I didn't watch any Jeff Lebo coached games. I'm just assuming Lebo didn't because of the era he did his main years of coaching at a major program.
If you want to implement that style (which I'm not against), shouldn't you have a staff with some direct experience or expertise in it? I'm just thinking out loud, but contact Bruce Webber? Who coached that 2005 Illinois team? An assistant who coached under Scott Drew on his 2021 team that started 4 guards and won a title?
It doesn't make sense to me that all of the staff's direct experience is under Dean or Roy when you're trying to implement a system with new ideas. It's a very odd way to build a staff.
It's like hiring a triple-option offensive coordinator when you want to run a spread pass-first offense.
I think both of the following are true…
Hubert is one of the nicest, upstanding, wholesome people on the planet.
He also doesn’t appear to be the guy capable of maintaining the decades long standard of excellence.
I wouldn’t call that Hubert hating. Definitely not saying don’t let the door hit you on the way out. I’m grateful for his hard work in this post Roy transition, but after nearly 4 years, I think I’ve seen enough to know that he’s not big enough for this job. Sure he bleeds blue as much as anyone, but that doesn’t really matter to me.
Just because they came up under Dean and Roy systems doesn't mean they haven't learned anything else since. Hell I'm a Cloud Security Engineer but I still know software development, I can rack servers and switches, know local area networks and can tear down a pc to the bones and put it back together. Why pigeon hole them? They can learn and understand new concepts. Perhaps they are suggesting things that Hubert isn't listening to. At the end of the day its his call.
Pat Kelsey should absolutely be in the top group of candidates. There are a number of reasons…
Agree. I think he’s a future big-time coach and the turnaround at UL in one year is impressive.
UNC has been mediocre but the ACC is abysmal. Barring a meltdown, Hubcap should be capable enough to capitalize on this weak 10 game stretch with what we have. Including Campbell, 7-3 was my prediction.
In the end, I think he will do just barely enough to sneak into the tournament and prolong his career for at least one more year.
In the end, I think he will do just barely enough to sneak into the tournament and prolong his career for at least one more year.
I think most UNC Fans want Hubert to be wildly successful because he is such a good man, he is just salt of the Earth good people. As much as I hate to say it, we need a coach more than a great guy. It would be ideal to have both, I don't think we do at this point but I am wiling to wait to see how this season plays out before I go on a rampage. What concerns me most is what I take as a double down on what is not working?
Guys, we are now heading in to the heart of ACC leage play and we do not have a set starting line up? We have 3 starters and 2 open positions and no real starter in our front court? Tomorrow is New Years Eve folks and we only have 3 starting positions firmly in place? Anyone care to explain that in a way that says we are well coached?
Dang Rose, every time I see your screen name it reminds me of the liver pudding my mom used to get from a pork processing plant in Rose Hill, geez that was some good eatin! The funny thing is I absolutely HATE pork liver but that stuff was off the chain, not even a hint of liver taste!
Let me add that I recognize Hubert has, for many, been a disappointment. I have followed and bled Carolina for 52 years. Do I like the makeup of this year's team..?nope....Roster construction is the direct responsibility of HD.....this is the smallest, weakest interior team I have ever seen.That is entirely on him...so too is motivation game management everything. I admit I have no idea how NIL works, how much we have or how much each player is getting...frankly it is all a turn-off and I just smh at what college sports has become. Look at the coaches who have said f it and retired..Larranaga just the latest.
My gut tells me Carolina is losing a lot of talented players in a bidding war that HD apparently will not get involved in..please do not try and convince me that Schyer is a great coach that all these kids are dying to play for him...the dookies are throwing huge $$$$$ at these kids...just like KY, KS Ala.....the list goes on. If we want to return to the highest level...sad to say we gotta re commit to our basketball program in a major way...just like we did for the first time EVER to football.
My gut tells me Carolina is losing a lot of talented players in a bidding war that HD apparently will not get involved in..please do not try and convince me that Schyer is a great coach that all these kids are dying to play for him...the dookies are throwing huge $$$$$ at these kids...just like KY, KS Ala.....the list goes on. If we want to return to the highest level...sad to say we gotta re commit to our basketball program in a major way...just like we did for the first time EVER to football.
I realize we still have a lot of games to play this season, magical things are still possible but my faith they will wanes nearly every day. BUT, what we have now is not the severely concerning problem, look at what we have coming in for this recruiting class, a couple of 2 guards, zero front line help. The only big man it looks like we have a shot ta is Caleb Wilson, who some suggest is already wrapped up by Ky, some even suggest he may have already committed to them but is keeping it quiet waiting for his commit venue to be in place.
Unless this team does a real strong turn around not using our bigs effectively in our offense is not going to draw to many big men to consider us. We are not going to out bid to many in the portal and we are losing JWit, Claude, and RJ already. If you are Jalen would you stray around for yet another season of this? Very doubtful we ever see High back on campus, you already know Jack is one and done, Drake may be as well but I think he comes back. Very likely that our ONLY returning front court player is 6'8" Lubin?
For sure, many programs have totally rebuilt from the portal in a single off season. But you better be spot on in your talent evaluation and that from my view is NOT a strength of this staff. Tomorrow is New Years Eve and UNC STILL does not have a set starting line up and it is not because of injury?????
Unless this team does a real strong turn around not using our bigs effectively in our offense is not going to draw to many big men to consider us. We are not going to out bid to many in the portal and we are losing JWit, Claude, and RJ already. If you are Jalen would you stray around for yet another season of this? Very doubtful we ever see High back on campus, you already know Jack is one and done, Drake may be as well but I think he comes back. Very likely that our ONLY returning front court player is 6'8" Lubin?
For sure, many programs have totally rebuilt from the portal in a single off season. But you better be spot on in your talent evaluation and that from my view is NOT a strength of this staff. Tomorrow is New Years Eve and UNC STILL does not have a set starting line up and it is not because of injury?????
Personally I’m over it. Exploiting other teams weaknesses is step one of being a coach. Last night’s blatant refusal to throw the ball inside showed me all I needed to know we will never get to where we want with Hubert Davis as a coach. More or less because we will never get another big man top recruit. Not one big man wants to go to a school in which his entire job is rebounding and setting screens. One play comes to mind a Campbell guard had switched and was pinned by Lubin and Elliott had the ball on the wing and decided to reverse the ball and didn’t even look inside. When I saw our best passer not looking in the paint, I’ve realized we have a true foundational issue.
Throw in the lack of emphasis on not involving post play is a downright recruiting negative and counter to any UNC traditional play. I wouldn't blame Brown for hitting the portal after this yr.
Uh no post play under HD????? We had a ginormous post presence for the last 4 years Bacot!!! FOR GOD SAKES....none of the post players have ANY moves no threats to score...of course we don't throw the ball inside No one knows what the heck to do with the rock o once they get it. Lubin, Claude please these are rebounding forwards...Withers I cringe every time he tries some kind of spin move that mainly results in a t o. His departure will be addition by subtraction Jalen has been a disappointment...HD was probably counting on him to be the central inside guy...hasn't worked out like he thought. Brown??? Heck I would not mind him getting more PT....the black hole that isour offense inside could not be worse...give him a shot.
Again the rosters huge inside deficiencies were set in Sept...HD is to. Blame for that...no excuses from me. THE HORSES JUST AIN'T THERE
Again the rosters huge inside deficiencies were set in Sept...HD is to. Blame for that...no excuses from me. THE HORSES JUST AIN'T THERE
Wes would probably love to come back but Few .. not so sure because he might want the $$ for players NIL and a yuge salary .. maybe. I wished they had offered, or at at least interviewed Wes when Roy stepped down. I think he's a great coach.
Wes is in a tough conference, and just took a road L tonight. He has a good roster and better be at least in contention for a conference title this year, he has underachieved to this point at Cincy, with the big ZERO NCAA bids to this point. His seat will be mighty toasty there as well if he fails to impress this year. I'm rooting for him, but at some point he has to win there.
If they miss the tourney again this year, I’m not sure he will survive that. I like Wes, but my main concern is how his teams struggle to put up points when playing average or above average teams. I don’t see a lot to remind me of old Carolina basketball when I watch his teams play.
Cincy is a rich basketball tradition. They seem to be saying they like Wes as a guy, but the level may be over his head to coach there. Sounds familiar.
From 2000 to 2020 they went to 15 NCAA tournaments, winning at least 1 game in over half of those appearances. They were 63 -43 (4 years) under Wes coming into this year, zero NCAA bids in 4 years. Unheard of there.
yeah . unfortunately you are probably right but when you look at the overall big picture it will likely come to a point where the $$ schools will rise to the top and stay there and the schools that don't chose to pay the NIL$$ (UNC?) will just be fighting for scraps and that's where the coach might make a difference and be able to coach up some wins and hubcap aint there.
NCAA "amateur athletics" is a dumpster fire just waiting to burn out and it's getting there quickly for me. Good poast.
Cincy has a billionaire booster. They are not out of NIL. Wes needs to win this year, he was 63 - 43 coming into this year with 4 no NCAA tournament bid years after 4 years on campus, not many "coached up" wins yet. The fan base has the torches ready in Cincy.
This is a bigger "hot seat" year for Wes than Hubert. If Hubert is let go, I do not think Wes would be on the short list as replacements.
Coach could get a few more years by purging his coaching staff. Keep Paige and get non UNC folks, on his coaching staff. I still say the worst coaching staff move was to send Robinson to the curb.
why keep giving him chances? he’s awful. great human being but a terrible coach. he screwed up by not keeping Robinson. Total idiot move there so purging a staff he handpicked is an act of futility.
Very rarely does purging a staff end up being successful for a head coach to turn things around. Its usually a desperation move to save their job and only buys them another year or two.
I do question some of the staff, particularly Sean May and his ability to both recruit and coach up a big man. Same could be said for Frederick and what value he brings to recruiting.
When I read recruiting articles, I typically see HD and Lebo mentioned by kids. Not sure what the others bring to the table on the recruiting front.
I do question some of the staff, particularly Sean May and his ability to both recruit and coach up a big man. Same could be said for Frederick and what value he brings to recruiting.
When I read recruiting articles, I typically see HD and Lebo mentioned by kids. Not sure what the others bring to the table on the recruiting front.
Just curious...
If Wes Miller had 0 ties to UNC, would you consider him to replace Hubert if it came down to that?
This is the problem with hiring a "family" guy. You end up having a emotional tie to said coach and he always ends up getting 3 or 4 more years he shouldn't have gotten.
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