Hypocrisy is overwhelming

[strummingram]

.feel free to put me on ignore at any time.

I think that's his goal. If he has no one to challenge him, he's content and is hoping everyone who thinks as he does will mimic that behavior and they can all enjoy an atmosphere where everyone thinks exactly the same... for a while.

Then, even that group will break-off into "sides." There will be some who are juuuust slightly different. That will become emphasized. Then they can start again.

There has to be a polarity or it's just boring. Or, maybe I'm underestimating it and it would be blisful Nirvana for everyone to have the exact same attitude and opinion. I'll have to think on that.

I had OiT on ignore for a short time on HROT. Then, I thought "You need the presence of the opinion or contribution he offers, if only to help me feel stronger about my own." And, on the rare occasion, he will make a statement that I agree with... very rarely.

What was funny about dick is; He would repeat something, fairly lengthy, that I had said, months prior, back at me and revealed that he'd remembered it almost word-for-word. For someone who pays no attention to what I said, he had one helluva good memory. To him, I'm a phony. You'll have to ask him why.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

You might want to bring this one up with @strummingram . He made some good points in the debate about whether men/women/others should be able to use whichever locker rooms they pleased, that locker rooms aren't places where anything deviant can happen unless it was already going to happen elsewhere. And that people shouldn't really be censoring their naked bodies anyways.

That is where Strum and I differ. Perhaps he has no problem with women walking in seeing him dress (even ugly women because we all know you guys LOVE when pretty girls see you guys LOL -as if they care!) But if Strum had a child, I do not think he would be pleased to know some old (or young) perv walked in the dressing room while his 15 year old daughter was naked and dressing for a pageant she worked hard to get into, where she could possibly receive scholarships and other opportunities. As a woman, it would be VERY uncomfortable no matter how good you looked or how proud you were of what you had to show underneath your clothes. Some things are sacred to some people even if they aren't to the rest of you who think it is no biggie for Trump to do/say these things. He had NO RIGHT to browse around the dressing room like that, period! And to go on the radio boasting about it like it was some notch on the bedpost for him is disgusting! In fact that makes it worse!

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Exactly. It's called being a whore. Allowing someone to have their way with you in return for money or favors. Being a whore and allowing someone to fondle you is not sexual assault.

Kind of like the Bernie supporters who now intend to vote for Clinton. They too are whores- they are giving up their principles which led them to Bernie to begin with and hope to receive some favor in the future from Hillary.

Unfortunately for the Bernie supporters though is that the Clintons only deal in cash. She will screw them over without a second thought because in her mind, she was always entitled to their votes anyways.

you have got to be f-ing kidding me?????? So what about the ones who could be or were fondled against their will???? even the ones who just were too afraid to say something??? you're an idiot, 71, a complete idiot! (he won't see this LOL)

 

[strummingram]

You might want to bring this one up with @strummingram . He made some good points in the debate about whether men/women/others should be able to use whichever locker rooms they pleased, that locker rooms aren't places where anything deviant can happen unless it was already going to happen elsewhere. And that people shouldn't really be censoring their naked bodies anyways.

I said they should be allowed to use the ones they identified-with as a gender.

I also said that shaming our bodies has created this entire culture where non-consensual activity breeds and perpetuates. I don't think we can switch on-a-dime and everyone accept full-blown nudity. The culture shifts slowly.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

I said they should be allowed to use the ones they identified-with as a gender.

I also said that shaming our bodies has created this entire culture where non-consensual activity breeds and perpetuates. I don't think we can switch on-a-dime and everyone accept full-blown nudity. The culture shifts slowly.

yeah, we should not shame our bodies but we have plenty out there who will have no problem shaming it for us! trust me on that one! Plus, shame has nothing to do with whether or not you want a man you don't know to see you naked! I understand some men and women have no problem being photographed in the nude and things like that but they don't want to walk around nude.... do you???? Would you just love to walk around doing whatever you do in your daily life out in public nude? I doubt you roam around the place you live naked all the time. I am sure you wear clothes. It has nothing to do with you being ashamed of your body. If we had never wore clothes to begin with it would not be a problem but we do. So will I see you streaking around Clemson next time I am up there?? LOL

 

[prlyles]

Kind of like the Bernie supporters who now intend to vote for Clinton. They too are whores- they are giving up their principles which led them to Bernie to begin with and hope to receive some favor in the future from Hillary.

Unfortunately for the Bernie supporters though is that the Clintons only deal in cash. She will screw them over without a second thought because in her mind, she was always entitled to their votes anyways.

OK 71 here's the deal. Bernie supporters hate Clinton but (guess what?) they hate Trump even more. Did you really expect Trump to get the Bernie supporters? They would vote for OJ Simpson before they would vote for Trump.

 

[UNC71-00]

OK 71 here's the deal. Bernie supporters hate Clinton but (guess what?) they hate Trump even more. Did you really expect Trump to get the Bernie supporters? They would vote for OJ Simpson before they would vote for Trump.

I would expect Bernie supporters to hate Clinton more given that she actually stole the election from their guy. As in rigged it. If you steal something from me, I will never support you under any circumstances.

Furthermore, Trump aligns with the Bernie supporters on killing TPP and ending military interventions- both of which Hillary will promote.

But let's ask a BernieBro who now intends to vote for HillDawg. Hey @tarheelbybirth other than the fact that Hillary has a D next to her name and isn't Trump, what do you like about her?

 

[tarheel0910]

Then it's his responsibility to walk it back. That f'n excuse is used every day to justify sexual assault. When Trump walked in on naked and near-naked teenage girls (as young as 15)...were they "letting" him because he was rich? Because they wanted an old man in their dressing room? Or was it because they didn't want to piss off the guy who owned the pageant they had worked hard to compete in? Does that last one equal "consent"? Does The Donald saying "they let him" make it alright for him to do whatever he likes?

Well, unless I missed something your original reply to him didn't say anything about the dressing room issue. Not sure why you feel the need to change up the scenario. I don't think anyone here took his comment the way you took it. Most people are able to put things into context.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

They would vote for OJ Simpson before they would vote for Trump.

This actually explains a lot.

 

[prlyles]

I would expect Bernie supporters to hate Clinton more given that she actually stole the election from their guy. As in rigged it. If you steal something from me, I will never support you under any circumstances.

Furthermore, Trump aligns with the Bernie supporters on killing TPP and ending military interventions- both of which Hillary will promote.

Doesn't work that way. Most of the time if your guy doesn't win the primary you still vote for your party's choice.

 

[prlyles]

This actually explains a lot.

What does that explain? Yes, Trump is that bad.....

 

[UNC71-00]

Doesn't work that way. Most of the time if your guy doesn't win the primary you still vote for your party's choice.

Not with you or Paul Ryan. Assuming you are the republican you claim to be.

So why is it ok for you and Paul Ryan to not support Trump?

 

[strummingram]

yeah, we should not shame our bodies but we have plenty out there who will have no problem shaming it for us! trust me on that one! Plus, shame has nothing to do with whether or not you want a man you don't know to see you naked! I understand some men and women have no problem being photographed in the nude and things like that but they don't want to walk around nude.... do you???? Would you just love to walk around doing whatever you do in your daily life out in public nude? I doubt you roam around the place you live naked all the time. I am sure you wear clothes. It has nothing to do with you being ashamed of your body. If we had never wore clothes to begin with it would not be a problem but we do. So will I see you streaking around Clemson next time I am up there?? LOL

I don't do those things because I AM A PRODUCT of the cultural environment that has shamed the human body. I'm not angry or blaming anyone or anything for that. But, I am also trying to stretch my awareness in other directions to try and better understand the reasons why we have certain dysfunctions in society.

And, I also have the benefit of the instinct of mutual respect for others, which plays a huge role. But, then, of course I have my own personal shame or insecurities from how I was raised and how everyone around me was raised, I guess? I'm not ashamed of how I look naked, but I realize that the culture that I live in does not condone being openly naked in public. And, again, I've been subjected to that culture my entire life, so it's not like I feel abnormal when I wear clothes! I doubt that, at this point, I would be eager to switch. Maybe if I lived in a more conducive location where it was warm year-round.

My point is/was: The cultural shaming of the human body (by religion, whatever) and the shaming of human sexuality is what creates a lot of these conflicts and, eventually, crimes.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

This actually explains a lot.

That's definitely an exaggeration but I believe it is more like they would rather not vote at all than vote for Trump.

 

[UNC71-00]

This actually explains a lot.

The democrats would have a much better chance with the male AA vote if they were running OJ. Hillary isn't going to get half the support that Obama did from this demographic.

 

[strummingram]

I've yet to hear Trump come out as the Peace candidate. Saying things like "I will bomb the shit out of them!" hardly sounds like a guy looking to scale-back on military presence.

Clinton has now said she opposes the TPP.

Sanders' supporters see more of an ally in Hillary than Trump. I mean, Bernie already endorsed her. Bernie and Hillary are much closer in ideology than Bernie and Trump.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

I don't do those things because I AM A PRODUCT of the cultural environment that has shamed the human body. I'm not angry or blaming anyone or anything for that. But, I am also trying to stretch my awareness in other directions to try and better understand the reasons why we have certain dysfunctions in society.

And, I also have the benefit of the instinct of mutual respect for others, which plays a huge role. But, then, of course I have my own personal shame or insecurities from how I was raised and how everyone around me was raised, I guess? I'm not ashamed of how I look naked, but I realize that the culture that I live in does not condone being openly naked in public. And, again, I've been subjected to that culture my entire life, so it's not like I feel abnormal when I wear clothes! I doubt that, at this point, I would be eager to switch. Maybe if I lived in a more conducive location where it was warm year-round.

My point is/was: The cultural shaming of the human body (by religion, whatever) and the shaming of human sexuality is what creates a lot of these conflicts and, eventually, crimes.

I guess I'm misunderstanding because I thought you might have been (or the other poaster) referring to the young ladies being naked as Trump barged into their dressing room. I doubt they were ashamed of their bodies but that doesn't mean you want any and everyone seeing it.

Plus let me know how you feel after you've been told you have a "dad body" one day. That's what the young ladies are calling guys bodies over the age of 40 now. BTW dad body doesn't mean fat either, it's one minus six pack abs when things slowly start going south lol

 

[prlyles]

Not with you or Paul Ryan. Assuming you are the republican you claim to be.

So why is it ok for you and Paul Ryan to not support Trump?

Because the man is not fit to be Dog Catcher.

 

[strummingram]

I guess I'm misunderstanding because I thought you might have been (or the other poaster) referring to the young ladies being naked as Trump barged into their dressing room. I doubt they were ashamed of their bodies but that doesn't mean you want any and everyone seeing it.

Plus let me know how you feel after you've been told you have a "dad body" one day. That's what the young ladies are calling guys bodies over the age of 40 now. BTW dad body doesn't mean fat either, it's one minus six pack abs when things slowly start going south lol

I mean, in general. Try to not make comparisons with how things ARE NOW with what I am suggesting it COULD BE. I already know how they are now. And, I'm okay with following the standard, obviously.

I understand that we've evolved as a society that prefers men to be separated from women in "certain situations." I'm not challenging that. That's how it is. I'm suggesting that a MORE evolved society would not need such restrictions and there would be a stronger presence of mutual respect. By more evolved, I mean a society that has progressed to where there is no shame attached to sex or sexuality. To me, that is where much of these indiscretions and criminal activities stem from- attaching a fear to it (shame, guilt, insecurity, etc. are all fears).

A great deal of these etiquettes and standards are from ancient religious- or, at least what people decided the religion demanded or required. Puritanical social influence on American culture was huge. Just look at it historically. We're still in the process of unlearning those things. We're at a very interesting page in the history book. 100 years ago, women were at the beach almost fully covered in their "bathing suits." And, now, look at where it's gone. I mean, there's a very strong double standard that shames sex and shames sexuality, while it advertises and sells the shit out of the very stimulus that is biologically wired into all of us. It's going to take a while to get it in-balance.

Meanwhile, back on the bus and locker room, we have to distinguish between harmful and consensual.

 

[UNC71-00]

Because the man is not fit to be Dog Catcher.

Nor is Hillary, but that doesn't stop you from saying that democrats should vote for her.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I know exactly what I'm talking about. To equate rape with "dirty laundry" is reprehensible and I don't give a f**k what your presumed context is. So...STFU right back at you.

The most interesting thing going on right now is you have a poster saying a woman who "lets' a man abuse her is giving consent...NO MATTER WHY SHE LETS HIM...and you and your fellow asshats are silent. Seriously...STFU.

You are a waste of something...feel free to put me on ignore at any time.

Go f*ck yourself. Feel free to step in front of a train at any time.

 

[tarheel0910]

 

[prlyles]

Nor is Hillary, but that doesn't stop you from saying that democrats should vote for her.

No, you're wrong, I have not said that, but we have to pick between the two and I see Clinton being less dangerous than Trump. Also it's not just me and Ryan, every past president alive feels the same way plus almost all of the GOP leadership. Have you ever in your lifetime saw an election where the man couldn't even get the support of his own party? 71, I'm sorry you're on this sinking ship but the fact still remains it's sinking..

 

[UNC71-00]

No, you're wrong, I have not said that, but we have to pick between the two and I see Clinton being less dangerous than Trump. Also it's not just me and Ryan, every past president alive feels the same way plus almost all of the GOP leadership. Have you ever in your lifetime saw an election where the man couldn't even get the support of his own party? 71, I'm sorry you're on this sinking ship but the fact still remains it's sinking..

So you mean all of the people who make their money off of keeping the political establishment in power don't want an outsider? There's a shock.

The GOP voters spoke and Trump won fair and square. The GOP voters who lost should support him by your logic.

Whereas Bernie had the vote fixed against him, yet the Democrats who didn't want Hillary should still fall into ranks and keep quiet.

That makes sense.

 

[UNC71-00]

No it didn't. You just weren't around when he used to poast here.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Sanders' supporters see more of an ally in Hillary than Trump.

I voted for Bernie in the primary. I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was the only name on the ballot.

I realize I might not be in the majority with that.

 

[UNC71-00]

Then it's his responsibility to walk it back. That f'n excuse is used every day to justify sexual assault. When Trump walked in on naked and near-naked teenage girls (as young as 15)...were they "letting" him because he was rich? Because they wanted an old man in their dressing room? Or was it because they didn't want to piss off the guy who owned the pageant they had worked hard to compete in? Does that last one equal "consent"? Does The Donald saying "they let him" make it alright for him to do whatever he likes?

Let me guess- you are opposed to HB2 and think gender neutral bathrooms are the way to go.

Yet you are opposed to Trump walking into a girl's locker room.

Makes sense.

 

[UNC71-00]

I voted for Bernie in the primary. I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was the only name on the ballot.

I realize I might not be in the majority with that.

I am right there with you- I too voted for Bernie in the primary and wouldn't vote for Hillary against anyone- even Paul Ryan or Jeb Bush.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Go f*ck yourself. Feel free to step in front of a train at any time.

True colors. Wow! Please, no one else try to defend this to me again. This is exactly what I've been talking about! smdh

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Well, unless I missed something your original reply to him didn't say anything about the dressing room issue. Not sure why you feel the need to change up the scenario.

Changing what scenario? The one where Trump does whatever he wants around women and just assumes they want him to do it....because he's The Donald? That scenario? Please tell me how his behavior at the Miss TEEN USA pageant doesn't fit that scenario.

I don't think anyone here took his comment the way you took it. Most people are able to put things into context.

"...how do you rape someone that is letting you do what you wanna do?"

Put that into a context where it doesn't sound like misogynistic bullshit. You understand this is exactly the kind of crap that's used to shame rape victims. "Did you fight back? No? So you wanted it."

I asked him to square his very clear statement with a woman who had a knife to her throat...and I got attacked. Unbelievable. Anyone who accepts this statement needs to go to the women in their lives and simply say this out loud "...how do you rape someone that is letting you do what you wanna do?"...no context...no explanation. Tell them this is honestly how you feel about rape. Would you take that challenge? If not, your problem isn't with me. I don't expect you to direct your comments to the person you do have the problem with, however.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Go f*ck yourself. Feel free to step in front of a train at any time.

 

[prlyles]

I am right there with you- I too voted for Bernie in the primary and wouldn't vote for Hillary against anyone- even Paul Ryan or Jeb Bush.

OK, now we can agree on something. I agree with you,I would vote for Paul Ryan or Jeb Bush before I would vote for Clinton, heck I would vote for anybody who ran in the primaries before I would vote for Clinton EXCEPT Trump. Yes, he is that bad...

 

[Blue2010]

I am so glad my thread was able to bring everyone together.

 

[BillyL]

True colors. Wow! Please, no one else try to defend this to me again. This is exactly what I've been talking about! smdh

He gets like this every 4 years . . . don't think ill of him.

 

[gunslingerdick]

True colors. Wow! Please, no one else try to defend this to me again. This is exactly what I've been talking about! smdh

I feel obligated to remind you that there are many trains. Y'all don't have to step in front of the same one.

 

[BillyL]

I am so glad my thread was able to bring everyone together.

I'm just hoping the OOTB picnic is still on in 2 weeks . .

 

[BillyL]

I feel obligated to remind you that there are many trains. Y'all don't have to step in front of the same one.

Some of your posts belong on the 'Like Train' thread I believe . .

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Let me guess- you are opposed to HB2 and think gender neutral bathrooms are the way to go.

Yet you are opposed to Trump walking into a girl's locker room.

Makes sense.

I'm opposed to anyone walking into any locker room for the purposes of ogling those using it. Are you opposed to this person going into a girl's locker room?

Cuz...you know...that's a "girl".

 

[gunslingerdick]

I'm just hoping the OOTB picnic is still on in 2 weeks . .

I'm in. I think me meeting some of the poasters from this board would do us all some good.

 

[toophly1124]

O

You're the one who made this idiotic statement:



"...no matter WHY they let you but if they LET you in my eyes that is consent..."

So it doesn't matter to you what power the man has over the woman...if she LETS him, she's consenting. I don't think it's possible to make any dumber claim than that. Hell, rapists will tell you EVERY F'N DAY that she "wanted it"...that she "let him". And here you are saying it doesn't matter WHY she let him. That's just mind-bogglingly stupid.

Oh dear God. I am talking in the context of what this is all about. A 60 year old man who is rich and powerful going up to women and may or may not kiss them and they LET him. And you took that to mean I was talking about a guy in a little white van w tented windows rolling up on a woman and taking her at gun point..going back to the Paradise Hotel off 27 ..handcuffing her to the bed and having his way w her...that's the biggest damn far fetched reach that I've ever seen. Have you seen some of these pro atheletes that are rich and famous? BANGING girls everywhere way out of their league but guess what bc they are rich and famous these women LET THEM wine dine and sometimes 69 them. You know w my job I encounter 100s ppl a week and see some of the most ungodly ignorant people but you may take the cake. Good day sir.