I fear these idiots! Thank God for angels!

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

I think we should have a Global Plantapalooza where everyone holds hands, sings gender-neutral songs, shares a few laughs,and enjoys cotton candy...while planting trees in save-the-rainforest efforts that will benefit future generations and save many endangered species. What a spectacle it shall be!

If only that would work.... ahhhhhh LOL

Well, I'm assuming everyone on this board lives in the US instead of the middle east, so you would be right. Unless you are trying to say that your fear of either group is partly based on your chances of meeting them, then this has nothing to do with your argument.

Well, I am more concerned about what goes on here the most, obviously! those Westboro nuts are just that, nuts, and hopefully will not be bringing more nuts on board that have an ounce of rage in them to do something horrible but we don't know that either...

I'm glad you guys are not afraid of the Christian extremists though.. I feel safer already!

 

[Blue2010]

I still think the problem starts at the top. At the end of the day, any nutcase with an agenda can pull off one of these horrible acts. The fact just remains that a certain group has shown to be more consistent in these efforts -- but of course I'm not naive to the fact that any nutjob could go through with it. Dylan Roof proved it. My issue is that we don't have the proper leadership or the proper focus to deal with it.

I personally think we are living in the middle of World War III right now, our country is the main target...and our leadership (if you can even call them that) isn't even acting like it. The days of a "war" being a bunch of people in suits marching over a hill with some douche playing a trumpet are over...this is it now. Modern Day Trojan Horse.

 

[gunslingerdick]

MINDSET

What is it with "mindset"? What liberals need to understand is that we cannot police someone's thoughts and feelings. You cannot legislate that. That's why I don't give a shit if someone is racist. That's their prerogative. They can be as racist as they want to be. But the minute that they do harm to another because of that racism, then we have a problem. But when liberals finally understand that you cannot put rules in place to control thought, then we might make some progress. Police the actions. That's all we can (and should) do.

 

[strummingram]

We make ourselves out to be hypocrites when we teach our children this, don't we?

 

[UNC71-00]

Again, you did not read what I put....I see a difference YES, but which one is MORE LIKELY right now, today, for any one of us or anyone in this country right this very minute to come into contact with a terrorist or a bigot????? geez

WGAF? A bigot can be ignored, whereas a dude in a suicide vest (or with guns, or hijacking a plane) can not be ignored.

 

[strummingram]

I personally think we are living in the middle of World War III right now, our country is the main target.

World War III? You must have missed-out on I & II to make that statement.

 

[Blue2010]

World War III? You must have missed-out on I & II to make that statement.

I'm not getting baited into this, but it appears you missed the rest of my poast after this comment. I suppose that since I think some keyboards suck I must have missed out on the days of the type-writer too, right? Nothing looks today like it did in 1950.

 

[UNC71-00]

Go back and research how many have committed mass murder in the name of Christianity versus the mass murders of terrorists? They are both horrible, I am not discounting that at all, but in THIS country we have had more "terroristic" acts from people who claim they are Christians than Islamist terrorists. We should be "fearful" of both, not just the one group because we have plenty of whack jobs right here that seem to just keep popping up and nothing ever changes. We have not even stopped the terrorists since 9/11, in fact, they have gotten WORSE since then. We twiddle our thumbs and sit online and argue about it but we (myself included) are not able to find ways to change the MINDSET of any of these people.

I'm concerned with present day threats, not who did what 800 years ago.

And actually, we didn't have a terrorist mass murder after 9/11 and before Jan 2009. Since then, there have been 5. And what has happened in the US is a pittance to what has happened across the globe. In fact, the person most likely to be killed by a Muslim terrorist mass murder is another Muslim. I'm almost as concerned about them dying as I am Americans.

Good luck changing that mindset- you should talk to Strum and come up with a plan.

 

[UNC '92]

I am sure you are not seeing the point because you may be lumping everyone into a category....not all Christians are like this, are not brainwashed to hate or vocally condemn people to hell, just like not all Muslims are terrorists..... it is the mindset I am referring to, they are both warped, just the way they handle it is different and in those terms, YES terrorists are the more extreme... but mind control they might have a run for their money in that competition. It is not just Westboro, there is another mega church that is concerning a lot of people lately but nevermind, I am not even going there now... you guys aren't open to looking at things from a different point of view, apparently.

You are incorrect here as usual. You just lack the ability to get your point across. And it's not just this thread. You are easily one of the most illogical and emotional people I have ever come across here, and that is saying something because we have others here that do a great job of that already.

 

[strummingram]

I'm not getting baited into this, but it appears you missed the rest of my poast after this comment. I suppose that since I think some keyboards suck I must have missed out on the days of the type-writer too, right? Nothing looks today like it did in 1950.

I didn't miss it. It was just a bad choice for comparison. If this is WWIII, then we're making progress as a species.

 

[Blue2010]

Does anyone else ever feel like it would be a more enjoyable experience to sprint the 100-yard dash in a 90-yard gym than 'debating' anything political on this board?

 

[tarheel0910]

I'm glad you guys are not afraid of the Christian extremists though.. I feel safer already!

Strum has taught me not to fear anything.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

LOL at this thread. There's no way the OP is serious with her point of view.

If she is....then wow.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

The likelihood of one of us on this thread alone coming into contact with a terrorist is slim to none but you can bet your a** you've met an extreme Christian, spouting words of hate at least once in your lifetime! I have met a few.

Correct. But that's because if anyone in this thread came into contact with a terrorist, we'd be in 1000 different pieces under the rubble of some blown up building right now. And if we came into contact with some hate speech spouting extreme Christian - we would have laughed in their face, called them a moron, and still lived to come on here and poast about it.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Correct. But that's because if anyone in this thread came into contact with a terrorist, we'd be in 1000 different pieces under the rubble of some blown up building right now. And if we came into contact with some hate speech spouting extreme Christian - we would have laughed in their face, called them a moron, and still lived to come on here and poast about it.

I used to go to Georgia Tech football games a lot as a kid because my friend's dad was a season ticket-holder. At almost every game, there was some "enthusiastic" Christian folks that stood just outside the ticket scanning entrance line and loudly and vociferously scolded people for not being Christian enough and telling everyone that they needed to repent and go to church more and stuff like that.

Big deal. That's their Constitutional right. Guess what they did after the game ended? Went to get dinner somewhere, or went home and took a nap, or went to Walmart, or some other harmless daily task. They didn't STRAP ON A BOMB AND BLOW THEMSELVES UP OR SHOW UP TO A PUBLIC PLACE WITH A SMALL ARSENAL AND KILL SCORES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE!

Dude, how can the OP and strum and uncboy not see the difference? Like, wow. Guess what? Tons of black people despise white people, and yes, tons of white people despise black people. Except for the few perfect souls in this country, everyone has a bit of hatred in their hearts for certain groups of people. That's just human nature. Guess what though? 99.9% of people don't go and ACT on that hatred. They choose to tolerate and/or ignore and/or peacefully disassociate with the group(s) of people they don't like. They don't commit mass murder like Muslims are doing every single day.

 

[Blue2010]

I used to go to Georgia Tech football games a lot as a kid because my friend's dad was a season ticket-holder. At almost every game, there was some "enthusiastic" Christian folks that stood just outside the ticket scanning entrance line and loudly and vociferously scolded people for not being Christian enough and telling everyone that they needed to repent and go to church more and stuff like that.

Big deal. That's their Constitutional right. Guess what they did after the game ended? Went to get dinner somewhere, or went home and took a nap, or went to Walmart, or some other harmless daily task. They didn't STRAP ON A BOMB AND BLOW THEMSELVES UP OR SHOW UP TO A PUBLIC PLACE WITH A SMALL ARSENAL AND KILL SCORES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE!

Dude, how can the OP and strum and uncboy not see the difference? Like, wow. Guess what? Tons of black people despise white people, and yes, tons of white people despise black people. Except for the few perfect souls in this country, everyone has a bit of hatred in their hearts for certain groups of people. That's just human nature. Guess what though? 99.9% of people don't go and ACT on that hatred. They choose to tolerate and/or ignore and/or peacefully disassociate with the group(s) of people they don't like. They don't commit mass murder like Muslims are doing every single day.

Let's end this here and now. Who here loves a Duke fan with all their heart and soul after they beat UNC...let's just go back to the Austin Rivers shot. Did you feel like hugging a Duke fan in pure joy and elation in that moment? If no, did you piss and moan for a few hours / days and move on or did you go out and grab an AK-47?

Drops mic... You fine folks may go enjoy the rest of your Monday now.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Dude, how can the OP and strum and uncboy not see the difference?

Because Chick let's her emotions - not logic - guide her thought process, strum just enjoys debating and would take the opposite side of anything, and uncboy doesn't understand how the world works but still thinks he's right and everyone else in the world is wrong.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Because Chick let's her emotions - not logic - guide her thought process, strum just enjoys debating and would take the opposite side of anything, and uncboy doesn't understand how the world works but still thinks he's right and everyone else in the world is wrong.

and because the rest of you missed my point, as usual... I clearly said the actions were much different in the two groups! good grief! never-damn-mind! you dingleberries are typical men, you hear what you want to hear..... pfttttt it's like talking to the kids!

 

[Raising Heel]

and because the rest of you missed my point, as usual... I clearly said the actions were much different in the two groups! good grief! never-damn-mind! you dingleberries are typical men, you hear what you want to hear..... pfttttt it's like talking to the kids!

You're slipping...forgot to make a tiny dick joke.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

and because the rest of you missed my point, as usual... I clearly said the actions were much different in the two groups! good grief! never-damn-mind! you dingleberries are typical men, you hear what you want to hear..... pfttttt it's like talking to the kids!

No, we get it, but it's still stupid. You bring up two different groups, one who has repeatedly committed hate-based mass murder every week for the past couple years or more, and the other who only says mean things and never commits any actions of violence ever......and then you say geez, the latter of those groups really frightens me because of their mindset!!!

Like, it's just a dumb thing to bring up and makes you look extremely naive. It would be equivalent to me starting a thread about NC State fans and how much they hate UNC and UNC fans and then saying "State fans frighten me more than Nazi Germany in the 1940s!!! So much hate in their hearts." Talk about the ultimate apples to oranges comparison. Come on, surely you are putting on an act in this thread?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

and because the rest of you missed my point, as usual... I clearly said the actions were much different in the two groups! good grief! never-damn-mind! you dingleberries are typical men, you hear what you want to hear..... pfttttt it's like talking to the kids!

I didn't miss your point. I just said that your decision making is more emotional based - that you hear hateful speech from these Christian whackos and you let your feelings about that dictate your opinion. You don't hear about the hateful mindset of the Islamic terrorists, and how they coerce people into their ranks - so that doesn't quite have the emotional connection with you.

My thinking (and it appears some others on this board) is more logic based - in that I take my feelings out of the equation when determining what is worse. I use the facts that one group is responsible for thousands upon thousands of killings, and recruits hundreds of young kids a day to base my opinion that the Islamic terrorists are worse.

I'm just pointing out that we have two different ways of arriving at our opinions.

 

[UNC71-00]

and because the rest of you missed my point, as usual... I clearly said the actions were much different in the two groups! good grief! never-damn-mind! you dingleberries are typical men, you hear what you want to hear..... pfttttt it's like talking to the kids!

Last chance- try to make your point and explain to us where we are wrong. Please don't act like a typical woman though and change the argument just because you are getting your ass handed to you.

 

[UNC71-00]

I'm just pointing out that we have two different ways of arriving at our opinions.

Yeah- one way makes sense and one causes me to want to join a monastery.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

You're slipping...forgot to make a tiny dick joke.

Umm, I'm pretty sure I can already guess who has those on here LOL j/k

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Last chance- try to make your point and explain to us where we are wrong. Please don't act like a typical woman though and change the argument just because you are getting your ass handed to you.

Honestly, I do not know how else to say it.... I absolutely understand that ISIS does the physical harm, no doubt about it. I was merely trying to say that I really fear people who can get people to follow along with their warped way of thinking, using the Bible and God to do it. I KNOW Westoboro is small apples on the scale but there are others who subtly teach hate, they are not out there holding up signs, they are not out there screaming on street corners and definitely not the ones typically shooting up places, even though there are a few that come out and do that. I am afraid of the ones that quietly, subtly convince people to use God to divide us, the ones who see homosexuals as evil and think they are all pedophiles... the extreme side of Christianity... THAT scares me more... maybe I am complete naive but I just don't fear ISIS... I would if I lived overseas ANYWHERE over there but I don't fear them here even though I know they are growing here too.

Does that make sense? I am not asking anyone to agree with me, I was trying to make a point about how we have extremists here that do plenty of harm, IN MY OPINION, without killing a person. If something cannot be done in love, then I think it is going to bring problems

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Does that make sense? I am not asking anyone to agree with me, I was trying to make a point about how we have extremists here that do plenty of harm, IN MY OPINION, without killing a person. If something cannot be done in love, then I think it is going to bring problems

It makes a little bit of sense but not a ton to me, to be honest. But you are perfectly welcome to your opinion and OOTB is a safe space

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Does that make sense? I am not asking anyone to agree with me, I was trying to make a point about how we have extremists here that do plenty of harm, IN MY OPINION, without killing a person. If something cannot be done in love, then I think it is going to bring problems

While I don't agree with you that the mental games are more harmful than the physical actions - I see what you are saying. But what you don't realize is...

I was merely trying to say that I really fear people who can get people to follow along with their warped way of thinking, using the Bible and God to do it [...] I am afraid of the ones that quietly, subtly convince people to use God to divide us, the ones who see homosexuals as evil and think they are all pedophiles... the extreme side of Christianity... THAT scares me more

that if you rewrite this, but change "Bible" to "Koran", "God" to "Allah", and "Christianity" to "Islam" that you just perfectly described the Islamic Extremists as well.

 

[UNC71-00]

Honestly, I do not know how else to say it.... I absolutely understand that ISIS does the physical harm, no doubt about it. I was merely trying to say that I really fear people who can get people to follow along with their warped way of thinking, using the Bible and God to do it.

No- you specifically said in your OP that you fear Westboro more than terrorists. See below

I am always amazed by these idiots at Westboro.... They are scarier to me than a terrorist because they are so twisted in their interpretation of God's word and can convince others to follow their ways and do the things they do.

Moving right along

maybe I am complete naive

Agreed

but I just don't fear ISIS... I would if I lived overseas ANYWHERE over there but I don't fear them here even though I know they are growing here too.

We have been trying to explain radical Islam to you but you refuse to listen because they are not "real" enough to you. And it has nothing to do with fear, but rather a duty to protect innocent people from being killed, tortured, raped, etc by a Radical Islamist Organization or one of their followers.

Does that make sense? I am not asking anyone to agree with me, I was trying to make a point about how we have extremists here that do plenty of harm, IN MY OPINION, without killing a person. If something cannot be done in love, then I think it is going to bring problems

We do have plenty of home grown extremists here. It is a matter of priorities. I suggest we first start with those that will kill, and then move on to those who will brainwash. That can be done with love, right?

 

[strummingram]

From what I can gather, I think the "chick" is more afraid of the people in the WBC because the basis for their actions is the same- hate and fear. And, since we don't have anywhere near as many Islamic Terrorists here, or even the threat of them here, as in places like the Middle East, you're more likely to have to deal with the WBC-types here, in-person. Do they ACT-OUT on their fears and hatred the same way? No. The people who are in less-civilized societies, or come from that environment, act-out with much less regard for civilized people. The WBC people are really all talk and no walk. That doesn't mean that they pose no threat to society, however. They're different than the Islamic radicals in that the Islamic radicals might just as soon blow your street up as protest your funeral.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

From what I can gather, I think the "chick" is more afraid of the people in the WBC because the basis for their actions is the same- hate and fear. And, since we don't have anywhere near as many Islamic Terrorists here, or even the threat of them here, as in places like the Middle East, you're more likely to have to deal with the WBC-types here, in-person. Do they ACT-OUT on their fears and hatred the same way? No. The people who are in less-civilized societies, or come from that environment, act-out with much less regard for civilized people. The WBC people are really all talk and no walk. That doesn't mean that they pose no threat to society, however. They're different than the Islamic radicals in that the Islamic radicals might just as soon blow your street up as protest your funeral.

THANK YOU!

 

[TarHeelNation11]

The WBC people are really all talk and no walk. That doesn't mean that they pose no threat to society, however.

That's actually exactly what it means.

 

[strummingram]

THANK YOU!

I must have more estrogen than the other ball-sacks in here.

I did find it interesting how the presence of a female finally brought-out the "well, you're a woman and women can't use logic like men. They base their decisions on emotions." I love that false sense of superiority based on some bullshit another man decided was a "fact." Archie Bunker is alive and well here in OOTB.

What's really sad to me is; this disregard for the POWER of love. They scoff at the notion that LOVE is a mechanism for the betterment of a society because they can't fit it into some plan to out-hate something that threatens them. We need more Jesus'es, and fast. Can you imagine Jesus of Nazareth in here? They'd be ridiculing him up one thread and down the other. "Love people? Are you crazy? This is reality, dude! You're living in a fantasy world." Then, on Sundays, they go to church and think they follow Him and bash people who call themselves atheists. Meanwhile, the atheists are trying to get people to stop hating and killing each other. At least God has a sense of humor.

 

[strummingram]

That's actually exactly what it means.

Well, you disregard that at your own risk. They are causing damage and they are causing pain. I am, however, glad to see you're not as afraid of them as you are the Muslims.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

@Hark_The_Sound_2010 what odds can I get on strum and chick actually being the same person?

 

[Blue2010]

I must have more estrogen than the other ball-sacks in here.

You said it, not us... lol

I did find it interesting how the presence of a female finally brought-out the "well, you're a woman and women can't use logic like men. They base their decisions on emotions." I love that false sense of superiority based on some bullshit another man decided was a "fact." Archie Bunker is alive and well here in OOTB.

What's really sad to me is; this disregard for the POWER of love. They scoff at the notion that LOVE is a mechanism for the betterment of a society because they can't fit it into some plan to out-hate something that threatens them. We need more Jesus'es, and fast. Can you imagine Jesus of Nazareth in here? They'd be ridiculing him up one thread and down the other. "Love people? Are you crazy? This is reality, dude! You're living in a fantasy world." Then, on Sundays, they go to church and think they follow Him and bash people who call themselves atheists. Meanwhile, the atheists are trying to get people to stop hating and killing each other. At least God has a sense of humor.

I know PLENTY of women who firmly believe these assholes need to be wiped off the map completely. Argument = invalid.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

@strummingram we are arguing with her emotion-based argument because of its naivety and recklessness, not because it comes from a woman. Now you're just conflating issues.

 

[strummingram]

You said it, not us... lol
.

Yeah, see... I don't have some masculinity complex.

I know PLENTY of women who firmly believe these assholes need to be wiped off the map completely. .

Well, they sound like ideal candidates for groups like ISIS. Maybe they just need to switch religions. The religions are interchangeable, after all.

 

[Blue2010]

Yeah, see... I don't have some masculinity complex.

Well, they sound like ideal candidates for groups like ISIS. Maybe they just need to switch religions. The religions are interchangeable, after all.

Hilarious.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I did find it interesting how the presence of a female finally brought-out the "well, you're a woman and women can't use logic like men. They base their decisions on emotions." I love that false sense of superiority based on some bullshit another man decided was a "fact." Archie Bunker is alive and well here in OOTB.

I can't help but feel like this part of the poast was directed towards me. No where did I say women can't use logic like men, or that they all base their decisions on emotions. That's you twisting words again and trying to disprove an argument by making it seem like it's a bigoted view. In this case, this particular woman is using emotion in her judgement. A man doesn't decide something is a fact either - a fact is a damn fact whether it's a man or a woman that is relaying that fact. And the fact is that Islamic Extremists have killed a lot more people than WBC people.

 

[strummingram]

@strummingram we are arguing with her emotion-based argument because of its naivety and recklessness, not because it comes from a woman. Now you're just conflating issues.

Of course you are. I'm conflating issues, you're not being sexist. Noooooo!

Do you not realize that your OWN argument is just as "emotion-based" as hers?