I imagine Justin is pretty sore today...

[gary-7]

I was a bit worried how he'd respond to Arky's thuggery but after getting overwhelmed in scrums early Jackson didn't back down. I still can't believe he got called for a foul when Qualls gave him that forearm shiver that should have been an offensive foul (and honestly a flagrant). Hell, Portis gave him a cheap shot on a loose ball in the first few minutes and got away from it.

For all our foul trouble (ironic, ain't it?), I'm glad they called a pretty tight game because teams like Arky too often get around the rules of the game of basketball (not to mention common decency) by turning it into a damned hockey game. Now, I'll take that tempo any day, but that other stuff has no place in the game.

 

[TarHeelMark]

No doubt he needs a few days to heal the bumps and bruises.

Speaking of Qualls... the dude is a beast for sure, but he should've fouled out midway through the 2nd half (if not sooner), but he ended up with 1 foul?

 

[thaUNCshow]

Can you guys stop calling every team with physical black players "thugs?" Sound like a bunch of racist bigots.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:
Can you guys stop calling every team with physical black players "thugs?" Sound like a bunch of racist bigots.

Has ZIP to do with color! Latiner was a THUG too.

 

[BillyL]

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:

Can you guys stop calling every team with physical black players "thugs?" Sound like a bunch of racist bigots.

Wut . . ?

You're the first one that brought color or race into the discussion . .

 

[gary-7]

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:
Can you guys stop calling every team with physical black players "thugs?" Sound like a bunch of racist bigots.

Seriously? Sounds like you're the only racist ITT. The word "thug" WAY predates any connotation of race you might want to attach to it.

PC crap like this is what makes race something people are afraid to discuss intelligently.
SMDH.

FYI: in basketball terms "thug" and "goon" is old NBA slang for players who were designated foulers and enforcers... and FYI: about 80% of time they were white.

 

[Louigi]

It is easy for mental midgets to throw out a "racist" charge when there is no "racism" present. Why do people have to get so up tight about simple vernacular?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[thaUNCshow]

Originally posted by Louigi:
It is easy for mental midgets to throw out a "racist" charge when there is no "racism" present. Why do people have to get so up tight about simple vernacular?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Im not getting uptight at all. Its just annoying seeing every team that doesnt play as soft as UNC get labeled as "thug ball." With as soft as our guys have been this year id love to see more "thug" out of them

 

[gary-7]

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:

Originally posted by Louigi:
It is easy for mental midgets to throw out a "racist" charge when there is no "racism" present. Why do people have to get so up tight about simple vernacular?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Im not getting uptight at all. Its just annoying seeing every team that doesnt play as soft as UNC get labeled as "thug ball." With as soft as our guys have been this year id love to see more "thug" out of them

There's a difference between toughness and thuggery. I want our guys to be tough but when they start taking cheap shots like Arkansas that's when I stop watching.

 

[WoadBlue]

Originally posted by TarHeelMark:
No doubt he needs a few days to heal the bumps and bruises.

Speaking of Qualls... the dude is a beast for sure, but he should've fouled out midway through the 2nd half (if not sooner), but he ended up with 1 foul?

Qualls is a beast precisely because he is a goon who gets away with it. If he played in the 1970s when Refs knew how to use the whistles properly, then he either would be in foul trouble early every game or else be mediocre.

 

[UNC71-00]

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:

Originally posted by Louigi:
It is easy for mental midgets to throw out a "racist" charge when there is no "racism" present. Why do people have to get so up tight about simple vernacular?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Im not getting uptight at all. Its just annoying seeing every team that doesnt play as soft as UNC get labeled as "thug ball." With as soft as our guys have been this year id love to see more "thug" out of them

That's a crock of shit.

Who called UVa a bunch of thugs? Or Louisville? Just off the top
of my head.

Take that bs somewhere else.

 

[soap - new and improved]

Originally posted by gary-7:
I was a bit worried how he'd respond to Arky's thuggery but after getting overwhelmed in scrums early Jackson didn't back down. I still can't believe he got called for a foul when Qualls gave him that forearm shiver that should have been an offensive foul (and honestly a flagrant). Hell, Portis gave him a cheap shot on a loose ball in the first few minutes and got away from it.

For all our foul trouble (ironic, ain't it?), I'm glad they called a pretty tight game because teams like Arky too often get around the rules of the game of basketball (not to mention common decency) by turning it into a damned hockey game. Now, I'll take that tempo any day, but that other stuff has no place in the game.

Add in the no call/bad call fairly where Paige went to the hoop, got fouled twice on his shot with no call, then absolutely was DEMOLISHED from behind on the rebound when he had better position - and somehow, out of all of that, Brice Johnson winds up with a foul in a loose ball scrum where refs rarely ever call fouls.

Oh, and the incredibly OBVIOUS FLOP when the dude went down dookie style on the three point shot when Brice barely touched him, well after the ball was out of his hands. WHY do the refs reward that Puke style cheating. Even the worthless NBA has decided to punish obvious flops.

Refs keep getting worse and worse ever year, there is no accountability unless you say something that is deemed "politically incorrect" and the college game is going straight to hell. And don't think I am mourning Hess. He should have been fired for obvious and blatant bias and incompetence long ago, but it took a wayward comment for us to finally be free of that scumbag.

 

[WoadBlue]

Originally posted by UNC71-00:

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:

Originally posted by Louigi:
It is easy for mental midgets to throw out a "racist" charge when there is no "racism" present. Why do people have to get so up tight about simple vernacular?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Im not getting uptight at all. Its just annoying seeing every team that doesnt play as soft as UNC get labeled as "thug ball." With as soft as our guys have been this year id love to see more "thug" out of them

That's a crock of shit.

Who called UVa a bunch of thugs? Or Louisville? Just off the top
of my head.

Take that bs somewhere else.

Amen.

UVA plays very tough basketball, but it is niot goon ball. Arkansas is goon ball. Not nearly as bad as under Richardson, but still goon ball. Qualls.

Failure to distinguish between being tough and being a thug or goon is a major problem in the US.

 

[coolo]

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:
Can you guys stop calling every team with physical black players "thugs?" Sound like a bunch of racist bigots.

Seriously man? No disrespect here but that is one of the most ignorant statements I've read on this board.

 

[HeelFan58]

and here it appears "the race card". kind of like Obama saying Netanyahu was racist in the Israeli election , hell Arabs and Israelis are the same race. Just sad when that is the "go to excuse" to avoid criticism. Uh think we called Cretin thugs also!!
This post was edited on 3/22 6:22 PM by HeelFan58

 

[GACMAN]

It's the stinken NC2A tournament….no sissies allowed!!! I think it is stupid to whine on here about anything that goes on in the games…one way or the other!!!! These are all big boys…my complaint was that the officials did not let them play MORE!!!! Qualls plays really hard and while I personally do not like him…you gotta admit, the kid get's after it!!!!! I think this game was really good for UNC….let's them now early on what it is going to take to win this thing!!!

 

[RoyWilliamsCOY]

Originally posted by thaUNCshow:

Originally posted by Louigi:
It is easy for mental midgets to throw out a "racist" charge when there is no "racism" present. Why do people have to get so up tight about simple vernacular?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Im not getting uptight at all. Its just annoying seeing every team that doesnt play as soft as UNC get labeled as "thug ball." With as soft as our guys have been this year id love to see more "thug" out of them

WOW...this is why there will always be a divide in this great Country! People like this...so quick to blame any and every damn thing on "racism" LMAO. What a joke!

 

[Coach_a_Heart]

Maybe to redirect this back to JJack's soreness today; but he played through it all and came through clutch at the end. 2 straight NCAA games, where he answered the bell and finished the second game by playing through the rough play of Arkansas and making their butts pay in transition and the secondary break. He killed it. Great game, young man!

 

[GoNtheDistance]

respectfully thaUNCshow, as a black guy myself, I have no problem calling qualls a thug or a goon. dude played like a hood rat all game. somewhat to his defense but not really, he played within the confines of what the officials were allowing but frankly about 10 minutes into that game, if you were watching and didn't say to yourself, who the hell is this goon then you aren't keeping it real. dude got away with murder in comparison to what our kids were getting whistled for. frankly, comments like your post cheapen the reality of when racism is a real issue for some folks.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Very well said Go!

 

[RoyWilliamsCOY]

Originally posted by GoNtheDistance:
respectfully thaUNCshow, as a black guy myself, I have no problem calling qualls a thug or a goon. dude played like a hood rat all game. somewhat to his defense but not really, he played within the confines of what the officials were allowing but frankly about 10 minutes into that game, if you were watching and didn't say to yourself, who the hell is this goon then you aren't keeping it real. dude got away with murder in comparison to what our kids were getting whistled for. frankly, comments like your post cheapen the reality of when racism is a real issue for some folks.

Thank you! Well spoken and it means a lot more coming from another Black man that will fight racism, but only when it the true problem!

Like so many have stated, when I hear about goons and thugs in a College Basketball game...I think of enforcers and talentless players sent out strictly to be physical.

 

[trueblue50]

BTW- don't forget the cheap shot on Marshall KILLED our chances of a title in 2012. So this is a legit complaint.

 

[WoadBlue]

Originally posted by GoNtheDistance:
respectfully thaUNCshow, as a black guy myself, I have no problem calling qualls a thug or a goon. dude played like a hood rat all game. somewhat to his defense but not really, he played within the confines of what the officials were allowing but frankly about 10 minutes into that game, if you were watching and didn't say to yourself, who the hell is this goon then you aren't keeping it real. dude got away with murder in comparison to what our kids were getting whistled for. frankly, comments like your post cheapen the reality of when racism is a real issue for some folks.

Key quote: " somewhat to his defense but not really, he played within the confines of what the officials were allowing"

The refs allow it, guys will do it. That's what I said about that Creighton game. The fault ultimately goes to the refs.

And as you note, Qualls got away with a great deal while Tar Heels got hit with touch fouls. I think thjat is always going to happen when refs allow a team or just a player or two to run wild. Deep donw they know they should have called some fouls, and they then whistle a little quikcly elsewhere. And thaat almost always screws the same team doubly.

The Creighton game is an example.

 

[Ford_corners]

There is an old adage that goes something like this... "If you ain't fouling, you ain't trying." Players will feel for the edges of what the refs are going to let go. If the whistle doesn't blow, they will take it a little farther until they hear it. That is where stuff escalates and before you know it, it doesn't even resemble basketball any more. The refs control it. They get what they don't call.

 

[montana_heel]

First guy that comes to mind when I hear goon in Bill Laimbeer. Guy was a piece of work.


Not worried about calls. We bring it on ourselves. Watch the quick shot or fade away that Brice shoots. He doesn't want contact. Just the way he plays. Kennedy can draw them and will more in future.

Our guards strengths are not penetrating so not much opportunity there. Berry does help this a little bit.

Just the makeup of this team.

On the other side. We can struggle with dribble penetration. That causes shifting of the D and puts guys out of position, leading to fouls.

Pretty simple in my mind.

With all that being said, we are still one of the top teams in the nation. We are gelling right now although we have a tough game against Wisconsin. Someone else stated how they would like to have another 4 or 5 weeks. I agree that just 2 weeks more would have really helped.

We are young and hopefully, besides Dez, will return a core of players that have every opportunity to see big improvement from this year to next. I think things aren't going too bad considering what has gone on.

If we continue on this year and make some noise next year, which I fully expect. Then we hopefully move to the front for a stellar '16 class. Everything is setting up good if we can get some type of ruling from the NCAA and at a minimum at least know what is going on in regards to that front.

 

[uncboy10]

I think it was "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying"

 

[JimmyinVA]

Originally posted by WoadBlue:

The refs allow it, guys will do it. That's what I said about that Creighton game. The fault ultimately goes to the refs.

...The Creighton game is an example.

that's the key point. there have been complaints on sec message boards about arkansas playing martial arts rather than basketball and they tried to do it thursday nite but the refs wouldn't let them. carolina is not a physically imposing team -- i would guess 3 or 4 losses this year because teams were allowed to foul repeatedly, even during the act of shooting. against arkansas, if refs didn't call fouls correctly carolina doesn't win.

 

[soap - new and improved]

Originally posted by JimmyinVA:

Originally posted by WoadBlue:

The refs allow it, guys will do it. That's what I said about that Creighton game. The fault ultimately goes to the refs.

...The Creighton game is an example.

that's the key point. there have been complaints on sec message boards about arkansas playing martial arts rather than basketball and they tried to do it thursday nite but the refs wouldn't let them. carolina is not a physically imposing team -- i would guess 3 or 4 losses this year because teams were allowed to foul repeatedly, even during the act of shooting. against arkansas, if refs didn't call fouls correctly carolina doesn't win.

This is DEAD ON! We were ref-rolled vs Dook x2, Louisville x1("comeback" my ass), ND x1. Might have been another 1 or 2, but these are the games that really stick out in my mind.

I told several friends after we beat Arkansas that if refs called that game as poorly as any of those examples I listed above we WOULD HAVE LOST. When a player runs THROUGH another player to get the ball, it is a FOUL, NOT a steal!!

Officiating has been on the decline for many years, and this year is the absolute worst I have ever seen.