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They would be the Super Bowl contenders.

They are a mirror image of the Seahawks except one MAJOR difference. Panthers will never get beyond 2nd round of playoffs with Newton. Sad but true; he simply makes too many bad decisions.
 
Newton does seem to be maturing. With that might come better decision-making but I wish the maturity had come when he first started playing for us. To me it's been a career squandered to date in terms of living up to his potential due to his being a kid with a sandlot mentality, and our fortunes have ridden with hm. I keep thinking he'll screw us for five more years, then blossom and end up giving some other team what we should have been getting all along.
 
I figured I'd see this on here this morning. He didn't have a good game, but he can only do so much when his top receiver is a rookie, and his two other ones are Jericho Cotchery and some undrafted rookie named Philly with a separated shoulder. I like Jonathan Stewart but he's never healthy and he's on the downside of his career. Greg Olsen should be targeted more, but I like him more as a complimentary piece rather than a main guy. Long story short, Cam needs weapons. He can't do everything.
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Originally posted by coolwaterunc:
I figured I'd see this on here this morning. He didn't have a good game, but he can only do so much when his top receiver is a rookie, and his two other ones are Jericho Cotchery and some undrafted rookie named Philly with a separated shoulder. I like Jonathan Stewart but he's never healthy and he's on the downside of his career. Greg Olsen should be targeted more, but I like him more as a complimentary piece rather than a main guy. Long story short, Cam needs weapons. He can't do everything.
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Cam is horrible. He had a great receiving corps last year and didnt do shite. He is not a good QB at all. He made so many terrible throws last night. His inability to read defenses causes him and the team problems.

Wonder if we can trade him for someone better. Then again, not many teams will be interested in him because of his weak instincts.
 
As much as the dude frustrates me, I can't say that he is horrible. But his mechanics are not good, and he still misses too many open receivers. After 4 years, I just think he is who he is and feel like he's probably not going to lead the Panthers any further than where he has so far. My point was that if you could switch him and Wilson, I believe the Panthers would be moving on and the Seahawks would be done.
 
Originally posted by coolwaterunc:
Trade him for Jimmy Clausen.
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YES!!!!
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Originally posted by chickenhunter:

Originally posted by coolwaterunc:
I figured I'd see this on here this morning. He didn't have a good game, but he can only do so much when his top receiver is a rookie, and his two other ones are Jericho Cotchery and some undrafted rookie named Philly with a separated shoulder. I like Jonathan Stewart but he's never healthy and he's on the downside of his career. Greg Olsen should be targeted more, but I like him more as a complimentary piece rather than a main guy. Long story short, Cam needs weapons. He can't do everything.
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Cam is horrible. He had a great receiving corps last year and didnt do shite. He is not a good QB at all. He made so many terrible throws last night. His inability to read defenses causes him and the team problems.

Wonder if we can trade him for someone better. Then again, not many teams will be interested in him because of his weak instincts.
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Are you serious? What was "great" about the receiving corps last season? I like Smitty and think he should have been wearing the Panthers uniform this year, but LaFell never lived up to his billing and Ginn was decent as far as being a deep threat....but if you look at the stats, they ranked at the very bottom of the league last year in passing. They won b/c of their defense.

I actually feel better about this group that went 8-9-1 than the team that went 12-5 last year...this year was rebuilding and they put a lot together with a very young and inexperienced group of guys. Their main FA's this offseason are Greg Hardy and Byron Bell...and obviously Hardy is not going to be in the negotiations. Of the team that played last night, virtually everyone is back. When this team was 3-8-1, there appeared to be MASSIVE holes in the OL, Defensive secondary, RB, etc....and between getting healthy and allowing the young guys to play, it looks like they have solidified a lot of those holes "on the fly" and can be more productive in the draft and free agency.

As far as Cam goes -- this crap just burns me, personally. I really hope he doesn't listen to the BS that is said about him. He has developed into a leader of this team, carries himself the right way, and has all of the tools to be great in this league. I thought Cam played pretty well last night, to be honest...as much as he faces criticism about his accuracy...there were several balls that he riffled into receivers hands that were dropped...and the Tolbert one was a killer.

It is what it is though...there are folks that have hated Cam since the moment Carolina drafted him and live for any chance to let people know how awful of a pick that was. Nothing is going to change that.
 
LaFell seeems to be living up to his billing now. I guess Cam is better this year...oh wait....
 
I don't think LaFell is living up to his billing now either - he is playing in an offensive system that is pass, pass, pass...If I remember right, yesterday right after Halftime, New England ran something like 25 plays, and the balance for that was: 25 passes, 0 rushes. If you look up LaFell's targets this year, they are exceptionally higher than any year he was in Carolina, but his production doesn't match up....he's got close to 80 targets this year (which amazingly is 3rd on his team alone)...yet he only has 300 more yards than his season last year as a Panther? Halfway through the season, the news outlets in New England were even labeling him the "highest paid decoy in the NFL"...referring to the contract they gave him to clear up room for Gronk and Edleman.

His TD catch yesterday was nice, but to say that he's living up to his billing now is IMO ignoring the big picture. Where was that last year when Steve Smith was being double-teamed and Olson garnering attention too? The guy just disappeared way too often...not sure if he just couldn't get open or what, but for whatever reason, he just never got involved.
 
All but maybe a handful of teams would be better with Russell Wilson as their QB. He's a flat out winner.

I though Cam played a pretty good game against the Seahawks. That's the best defense in the league by a mile and the Panthers looked ok. Cam missed some throws like he usually does, but overall, I thought he managed the game fairly well. I question his accuracy and his leadership abilities and because of those two things, I don't think he's capable of leading the Panthers to the Super Bowl. But he is improving and he does indeed need some help.
 
Originally posted by TarHeelMark:
They would be the Super Bowl contenders.

They are a mirror image of the Seahawks except one MAJOR difference. Panthers will never get beyond 2nd round of playoffs with Newton. Sad but true; he simply makes too many bad decisions.
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's not a single position group on the entire roster, with the possible exception of LB's and TE, in which the Panthers are equal to Seattle...much less superior. Seattle has one of the best secondaries in the history of the NFL. Carolina has Tre Boston starting as a rookie. Seattle has Marshawn Lynch. We have a trio of hobbled guys sucking up half the salary cap. Seattle's offensive line is vastly superior. I could go on and on.

I do think Wilson is the better QB, and Cam has to work on stepping into his throws in the off-season. That's why his accuracy has regressed. But the initial post is absurd.
 
Originally posted by ms4211:
Originally posted by TarHeelMark:
They would be the Super Bowl contenders.

They are a mirror image of the Seahawks except one MAJOR difference. Panthers will never get beyond 2nd round of playoffs with Newton. Sad but true; he simply makes too many bad decisions.
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's not a single position group on the entire roster, with the possible exception of LB's and TE, in which the Panthers are equal to Seattle...much less superior. Seattle has one of the best secondaries in the history of the NFL. Carolina has Tre Boston starting as a rookie. Seattle has Marshawn Lynch. We have a trio of hobbled guys sucking up half the salary cap. Seattle's offensive line is vastly superior. I could go on and on.

I do think Wilson is the better QB, and Cam has to work on stepping into his throws in the off-season. That's why his accuracy has regressed. But the initial post is absurd.
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Thank you.

That said - I do think the young guys Carolina rolled out the last 6 weeks or so are primed to really step up next year. This experience has to be tremendous for them...just thrown to the wolves, essentially, and got to play against a team like Seattle in their place, in the playoffs. A lot of veteran teams don't get that chance, but these guys did...I really think it's going to pay off. Not trying to be a homer (maybe it sounds that way), but I'm pumped about the next few years for Carolina.

I know there are a lot of doubters of Cam, but I feel like he's the guy...IMO he has the right attitude, the will to be great, the heart & fight to be the best, and he's about to have the weapons at his disposal to accomplish that. Maturity was an issue his first 2 years in the NFL, but he's gotten past that. Just listen to how he speaks, carries himself, etc. The guy has matured into a leader.
 
Russell Wilson is tremendous -- not taking anything away from that. But let's be honest...he stepped into a position with a ton of talent on that roster...admittedly most on the defensive side, but he's had a very reliable RB his entire career...virtually no injury issues, solid OL the whole way through, and they gave him a lot of speed at the WR positions...which is incredibly valuable when you have a mobile QB b/c those guys can routinely get open.

Give Wilson credit for taking advantage of his opportunity, but let's be honest...they haven't had to deal with even half the off-field crap Carolina has had to overcome...the injuries, suspensions, personnel overhauls, etc. Remember - Cam had to come into this year with a brand new (literally) team around him on offense....and no offseason reps with them b/c of ankle surgery and broken ribs.

How easily people forget what this guy, and this team, overcame to get where they did...
 
Originally posted by ms4211:
Originally posted by TarHeelMark:
They would be the Super Bowl contenders.

They are a mirror image of the Seahawks except one MAJOR difference. Panthers will never get beyond 2nd round of playoffs with Newton. Sad but true; he simply makes too many bad decisions.
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's not a single position group on the entire roster, with the possible exception of LB's and TE, in which the Panthers are equal to Seattle...much less superior. Seattle has one of the best secondaries in the history of the NFL. Carolina has Tre Boston starting as a rookie. Seattle has Marshawn Lynch. We have a trio of hobbled guys sucking up half the salary cap. Seattle's offensive line is vastly superior. I could go on and on.

I do think Wilson is the better QB, and Cam has to work on stepping into his throws in the off-season. That's why his accuracy has regressed. But the initial post is absurd.
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I don't recall saying they were superior, now did I? I said mirror image, which is to say that they try to play the same game: run the ball, and control the game with stout defense. Which if you go back and look at stats you will see that the Panthers were second only to Seahawks in the last half of the season in rushing yards, and in defense. So if it makes you feel better to make me an idiot, then blast away.

My point is that Wilson is a winner. Tar Heel fans know this as we saw it first-hand. While Cam does a lot of great things, he is not progressing as a passer, and this is his 4th season. I heard where Colin Kapernick (sp?) is going to work with Kurt Warner in the off-season to improve his passing skills. Maybe Cam needs to sign up for some similar training?
 
Originally posted by TarHeelMark:


Originally posted by ms4211:

Originally posted by TarHeelMark:
They would be the Super Bowl contenders.

They are a mirror image of the Seahawks except one MAJOR difference. Panthers will never get beyond 2nd round of playoffs with Newton. Sad but true; he simply makes too many bad decisions.
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's not a single position group on the entire roster, with the possible exception of LB's and TE, in which the Panthers are equal to Seattle...much less superior. Seattle has one of the best secondaries in the history of the NFL. Carolina has Tre Boston starting as a rookie. Seattle has Marshawn Lynch. We have a trio of hobbled guys sucking up half the salary cap. Seattle's offensive line is vastly superior. I could go on and on.

I do think Wilson is the better QB, and Cam has to work on stepping into his throws in the off-season. That's why his accuracy has regressed. But the initial post is absurd.
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I don't recall saying they were superior, now did I? I said mirror image, which is to say that they try to play the same game: run the ball, and control the game with stout defense. Which if you go back and look at stats you will see that the Panthers were second only to Seahawks in the last half of the season in rushing yards, and in defense. So if it makes you feel better to make me an idiot, then blast away.

My point is that Wilson is a winner. Tar Heel fans know this as we saw it first-hand. While Cam does a lot of great things, he is not progressing as a passer, and this is his 4th season. I heard where Colin Kapernick (sp?) is going to work with Kurt Warner in the off-season to improve his passing skills. Maybe Cam needs to sign up for some similar training?
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You basically said the only difference between the two teams is the quarterback, and if you flip-flopped the quarterbacks the results would flip-flop as well. If the Panthers had Wilson, they'd be the Super Bowl contender. That's what you said. While that may be true (there's no way to disprove it), it certainly isn't likely, considering that the Panthers are inferior to Seattle at every position.
 
Originally posted by Blue2010:
I don't think LaFell is living up to his billing now either - he is playing in an offensive system that is pass, pass, pass...If I remember right, yesterday right after Halftime, New England ran something like 25 plays, and the balance for that was: 25 passes, 0 rushes. If you look up LaFell's targets this year, they are exceptionally higher than any year he was in Carolina, but his production doesn't match up....he's got close to 80 targets this year (which amazingly is 3rd on his team alone)...yet he only has 300 more yards than his season last year as a Panther? Halfway through the season, the news outlets in New England were even labeling him the "highest paid decoy in the NFL"...referring to the contract they gave him to clear up room for Gronk and Edleman.

His TD catch yesterday was nice, but to say that he's living up to his billing now is IMO ignoring the big picture. Where was that last year when Steve Smith was being double-teamed and Olson garnering attention too? The guy just disappeared way too often...not sure if he just couldn't get open or what, but for whatever reason, he just never got involved.
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yep, someone is ignoring something alright but it isn't me. His stats have roughly increased 50%. Being in a passing system compared to a more balanced system says something about the systems but absolutely nothing about how productive he was under different quarterbacks. The fact is he has decent numbers and I have watched him any number of times make key catch after key catch thinking why is he all of a sudden so much more go-to? He is anything but mediocre or worse this year, and being third behind Gronk and Edelman is hardly a feeble endorsement. If he disappeared at Carolina, it was from the tunnel vision of Cam Newton. And are you serious in referring to him as a decoy because of his contractual arrangement? Yeah, that says a lot about the play of Cam Newton or any other player, good job.
 
Originally posted by ms4211:
Originally posted by TarHeelMark:


Originally posted by ms4211:

Originally posted by TarHeelMark:
They would be the Super Bowl contenders.

They are a mirror image of the Seahawks except one MAJOR difference. Panthers will never get beyond 2nd round of playoffs with Newton. Sad but true; he simply makes too many bad decisions.
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's not a single position group on the entire roster, with the possible exception of LB's and TE, in which the Panthers are equal to Seattle...much less superior. Seattle has one of the best secondaries in the history of the NFL. Carolina has Tre Boston starting as a rookie. Seattle has Marshawn Lynch. We have a trio of hobbled guys sucking up half the salary cap. Seattle's offensive line is vastly superior. I could go on and on.

I do think Wilson is the better QB, and Cam has to work on stepping into his throws in the off-season. That's why his accuracy has regressed. But the initial post is absurd.
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I don't recall saying they were superior, now did I? I said mirror image, which is to say that they try to play the same game: run the ball, and control the game with stout defense. Which if you go back and look at stats you will see that the Panthers were second only to Seahawks in the last half of the season in rushing yards, and in defense. So if it makes you feel better to make me an idiot, then blast away.

My point is that Wilson is a winner. Tar Heel fans know this as we saw it first-hand. While Cam does a lot of great things, he is not progressing as a passer, and this is his 4th season. I heard where Colin Kapernick (sp?) is going to work with Kurt Warner in the off-season to improve his passing skills. Maybe Cam needs to sign up for some similar training?
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You basically said the only difference between the two teams is the quarterback, and if you flip-flopped the quarterbacks the results would flip-flop as well. If the Panthers had Wilson, they'd be the Super Bowl contender. That's what you said. While that may be true (there's no way to disprove it), it certainly isn't likely, considering that the Panthers are inferior to Seattle at every position.
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The Panther's defense certainly played well enough (in Seattle, no less) the other night to give them a reasonable chance to win, but if Wilson was behind center, do you think he would've thrown that pick-six? I don't. Do you think Wilson would've thrown that 3rd down pass to Tolbert at 200 mph, instead of putting just the right touch on it, so that the Panthers could move the chains? I don't.

Believe me - as a Panther's fan, I want Newton to be great. But it's obvious that he needs to work on his mechanics as a passer if he's ever going to lead them any deeper in the playoffs. I hope he takes that next step, especially after the contract that he's about to get.
 
Originally posted by TarHeelMark:

Originally posted by ms4211:
Originally posted by TarHeelMark:


Originally posted by ms4211:

Originally posted by TarHeelMark:
They would be the Super Bowl contenders.

They are a mirror image of the Seahawks except one MAJOR difference. Panthers will never get beyond 2nd round of playoffs with Newton. Sad but true; he simply makes too many bad decisions.
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's not a single position group on the entire roster, with the possible exception of LB's and TE, in which the Panthers are equal to Seattle...much less superior. Seattle has one of the best secondaries in the history of the NFL. Carolina has Tre Boston starting as a rookie. Seattle has Marshawn Lynch. We have a trio of hobbled guys sucking up half the salary cap. Seattle's offensive line is vastly superior. I could go on and on.

I do think Wilson is the better QB, and Cam has to work on stepping into his throws in the off-season. That's why his accuracy has regressed. But the initial post is absurd.
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I don't recall saying they were superior, now did I? I said mirror image, which is to say that they try to play the same game: run the ball, and control the game with stout defense. Which if you go back and look at stats you will see that the Panthers were second only to Seahawks in the last half of the season in rushing yards, and in defense. So if it makes you feel better to make me an idiot, then blast away.

My point is that Wilson is a winner. Tar Heel fans know this as we saw it first-hand. While Cam does a lot of great things, he is not progressing as a passer, and this is his 4th season. I heard where Colin Kapernick (sp?) is going to work with Kurt Warner in the off-season to improve his passing skills. Maybe Cam needs to sign up for some similar training?
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You basically said the only difference between the two teams is the quarterback, and if you flip-flopped the quarterbacks the results would flip-flop as well. If the Panthers had Wilson, they'd be the Super Bowl contender. That's what you said. While that may be true (there's no way to disprove it), it certainly isn't likely, considering that the Panthers are inferior to Seattle at every position.
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The Panther's defense certainly played well enough (in Seattle, no less) the other night to give them a reasonable chance to win, but if Wilson was behind center, do you think he would've thrown that pick-six? I don't. Do you think Wilson would've thrown that 3rd down pass to Tolbert at 200 mph, instead of putting just the right touch on it, so that the Panthers could move the chains? I don't.

Believe me - as a Panther's fan, I want Newton to be great. But it's obvious that he needs to work on his mechanics as a passer if he's ever going to lead them any deeper in the playoffs. I hope he takes that next step, especially after the contract that he's about to get.
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thank you. Even a receiver might have trouble with a rocket.
 
By the way, Blue2010 (formerly BH2004,05,06 or whatever), how have you been? It's been a while. Glad to see you still post here from time to time - you should do it more often.
 
Been good...hope the same is true for you! I've lurked from time to time, but kids and work take up 99% of my time most days. Not to mention I have no time or desire to keep up with anything related to politics and that topic seemed to dominate this board for, what felt like, several years...heard a cliche way back when that every politician has two jobs - 1. Get elected, and then 2. Get Re-elected. Both sides will do anything in their power to accomplish those two tasks, and as a country, we sit back and gladly fund it. Personally, I didn't want to go even further and spend valuable time arguing about it. :)

But it is hilarious to read some of the lighter stuff that's been on here lately!

This Cam Newton thing just gets under my skin a lot b/c reading the messages here and listening to WFNZ a lot and hearing the idiots calling into that station...I'm sure every QB in every city has to deal with it at some point or another and it just comes with the territory, but I really think this fanbase needs to be very thankful for what we have. I firmly believe he's a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.

This post was edited on 1/12 3:10 PM by Blue2010
 
Same here, but minus the kids part. Good to know you're doing well. You need your old BlueHeaven handles by the way. Blue2010 just isn't the same.
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LOL...I may have to reinvent that handle. I think all of those were banned at some point or another trolling other team's sites or going back and forth with GroundControl.
 
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