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What the ACC Needs to Do

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In any crisis, those who hesitate to act become much easier game. Likewise, those who are proactive and willing to strike hard have the best chance to survive.

Mack Brown could sell ice to an Eskimo, as they say. He is quite persuasive about any subject that matters to him. So Mack Brown could be the major factor in what UNC does in this crisis. Like me, Brown grew up in Tennessee and so was steeped in SEC sports before he ever left for college. He also knows the southwest inside out from his days at Texas. No one is likely to have greater combined knowledge of the old SEC, the expanded SEC, the ACC, and the southwest than Mack Brown. Even if he weren't silver tongued, his experiences mean people should listen to him.

Reality is what must be faced. None of this stuff has just come about randomly with no planning, no vision. For example, on October 24, 2011, Los Angeles Times reporter Nathan Fenno tweeted: "LSU chancellor Michael Martin: "I think we could ultimately end up with two conferences: one called ESPN and one called FOX." Laughter."

More than a decade ago, the Chancellor of one of a university with one of SEC's most powerful football programs was halfway joking that soon there would be only 2 Major conferences, and each would be backed by a network to the degree that the conference could be called the network. That is where we are: SEC/ESPN and Big Ten/Fox. NBC hopes to be part of the fun by hanging onto ND Home football games, but showing 6 or 7 games per year means nothing. The only hope that the ACC has to be remain fiscally within the ballpark is that Notre Dame wants no part of joining either Big Ten or SEC and ESPN agrees to give the ACC a significant raise in order to keep the ACC at full strength. But ESPN is invested fully in the SEC. The ACC is a far distant #2 in the eyes of ESPN.

The reality is that the ACC, being hopelessly naive enough to trust the Big Ten, acted against the desires of ESPN in rejecting the expanded playoff. So ESPN is certain to be less than merrily generous with the ACC. If ESPN being generous with the ACC gets Notre Dame away from any possibility of joining the BT, then ESPN will be happy to do so. But that would be to secure Notre Dame, not to save Wake Forest and BC in the ACC, not to save the ACC as a Major/Power conference.

Except for the really ignorant basketball-only fans, everybody now, after Southern Cal and UCLA have left the Pac for the BT, should realize that the decade old LSU Chancellor joke is right here, right now. There are now, and there will be, only 2 Major conferences in fiscal sense: SEC and BT. Get into one, or over time you get left farther and farther behind. Equally important, those 2 Major conferences will be increasingly known as the leagues of a network. ESPN especially wants the SEC to be known as the ESPN conference. That is a way to get handle on why ESPN would prefer to have any ACC teams it values most in a super-sized SEC than in an ACC deemed to be a Major conference. The one to one congruence makes it easy for people to grasp the brand, which should help maximize profits.

The SEC and BT, and nobody else, will make all future decisions about Major College football post-seasons. And they also almost certainly will demand that they control the NCAA basketball tournament. In fact, they may well leave the NCAA entirely and run all things for themselves. By doing so, they would maximize the basketball and baseball values of their members, as well as own and control almost all the wealth of college football.

It does not matter a teeny jot what conference emerges over the next few months as the third most powerful. The SEC and BT almost certainly decided some time ago that when the time was right, they would strike and become the only 2 conferences that matter in football. If you want to be in the top division of college football in the future, you must become part of those two conferences.

The good news is that there is no number, such as 16, that is the limit on their memberships. More, there is reason to believe that each has been planning for years to expand to at least 20 and perhaps as many as 32. For years, I have seen fans of both SEC and BT talk about having a super-sized conference that has 4 divisions and so requires a semi-final before the Conference Championship game. Those SEC and BT fans invariably talk about each league having its own playoffs - perhaps that start with 8 teams rather than 4 - and then the two league champs meeting in what amounts to the college Super Bowl.

And that is where Mack Brown comes in. I think he needs to be a major spokesman for the ACC, and not just UNC, with ESPN and the SEC. The BT now has an advantage over the SEC in that the BT has added from far outside its midwestern basis. It should be known to all that the country has two regions in which college football is king: the South and the midwest. The northeast has been a region with little interest in major college football since the dawn of the 1960s. Over the past 30 years or so, the Pacific region has seen a steady loss of fans of college sports. But the northeast and the Pacific region have the nation's two most important media markets: New York and Los Angeles. So while any surviving Major conference must be rooted deeply in either the South or the midwest, between them, they must also have a number of schools that are northeastern and far western in order to prevent college sports, and most specifically football, from being seen by peoples in the northeast and the Pacific as being just about the heartland. The SEC can take such a step by incorporating most of the ACC.

Wake Forest is to Major College Sports conferences what Rice was in 1990. It is the smallest school in a conference with too many private schools to remain highly profitable in a new age. Neither SEC nor BT could ever consider adding Wake. BC is the ACC's Wake part 2. It is too small, and in a TV market that cares barely more than literally nada for college sports to help any conference draw fans. If the SEC were to add the other 12 ACC schools, the super sized SEC would have 28 members. In addition to owning the entire South, the super SEC would also have quadrupled its national TV audience for basketball and the basketball history of its members. Not only is Syracuse the only Major Conference member from NY, but Syracuse has the largest basketball fan base in the northeast. The SEC also would have Pitt, which means having a school in PA: historically the most important northeastern state to division 1 college athletics.

How much could the football program of Pitt, located 30 miles from talent rich Ohio, revive to its glory days with SEC money? I think a good deal, and that growth would grow at the expense of Penn St and the BT.

That 28 team SEC could have 4 divisions of 7 teams each. But the SEC would not stop have to stop there. The SEC then would want to entice Notre Dame because having the Irish would guarantee that the SEC would remain a major player across the midwest for TV viewers of college football. It would be a huge blow to the BT.

From there the SEC also could add from its west or its east. Adding WVU would surely strike fire with games against its historic rivals while also helping to neuter Maryland. Adding Cincinnati certainly would be a blow to the BT and its most important member, Ohio State, which has benefitted immensely from never having had in-state Major Conference competition. The SEC would be pushing right into BT country and staking its claim.

In addition, the SEC could move westward. BYU has the largest fan base for both revenue sports in the entire Rocky Mountains region, and that includes many BYU fans living in CA. Arizona and Arizona State are old WAC rivals of BYU, and each has a sizable alumni and fan base in southern California.

Like the BT, the SEC now needs to expand to become seen as a national college sports conference.

If the Big Ten has added SC and UCLA to try to equal the depth of football quality and excitement that the SEC has, then the BT will be disappointed. That will not do the trick, nor would adding Notre Dame. What the BT requires to pull even with the SEC in football quality and then perhaps to leap past the SEC is to get planted deep into the South by adding multiple ACC teams from VA down through FL. At the same time that the ACC is talking to the SEC and ESPN about 12 teams being incorporated into the SEC, the ACC also needs to talk to the BT. To get the best deal from ESPN, the ACC has to be ready to act violently: the ACC must be ready to dissolve and then its members as independents joining the BT to make the BT truly the lone National conference. ESPN and the SEC will not want the BT and Fox to hold any part of the South.

At this point, ESPN assumes that it has the ACC in a stranglehold and that it can therefore do to the ACC what it wants. UNC needs to lead the ACC to be ready to chew off a leg in order to escape a trap that means certain death by 2036.
 
There's nothing the ACC as a whole can do at this point. It's really not worth talking about. They need to triple their value to be what the Big and SEC will be getting paid. The Big and SEC are expected to get a contract close to or exceeding $100 million per team. The ACC paid out about $36 million last year. Even ND won't bring in $60 million of value.

The real question is what UNC needs to do. And that's a pretty simple thing to answer, get out of the ACC contract. Of course, that's easier said than done. It may be possible to get the GofR voided by a court, but that's a risky proposition. A negotiated settlement might be on the table, especially with the conferences knowing that UNC and other members will be leaving at some point. They might want to get the most money they can get. A settlement now is worth more than a settlement in five years. But I think the most realistic option is for all of the schools that want to leave, get together and leave at the same time. That's probably a majority of the league and assuming the SEC and Big want to get to 20 or more, they would have somewhere to go. Is that something the ADs would be strong enough to try? Would they even talk to each other about that or would they be worried that it would become public?
 
The only thing that the ACC could do in the near term would be for it to convince ESPN that it would be in their best interest to give them a raise. They would basically have to say that ESPN will lose UNC, UVA, duke and other schools to FOX unless they get more money now. They won't match the Big and SEC money, but they could show some goodwill and delay the inevitable by giving the ACC a raise.
 
Is ESPN trying to pacify ACC by helping form a 'loose partnership' between ACC and Pac10? John Canzano thinks so.

But what value to do we get from any kind of partnership with a Pac lacking SC and UCLA? Not much if any.
 
Is ESPN trying to pacify ACC by helping form a 'loose partnership' between ACC and Pac10? John Canzano thinks so.

But what value to do we get from any kind of partnership with a Pac lacking SC and UCLA? Not much if any.
I don't see how that makes sense for anyone involved. I also don't see why ESPN would want to be involved with the PAC. I think it's much more likely they would want the big 12 to poach the PAC and figure out a way to get the best ACC brands to go to the SEC instead of the Big.
 
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I read an article today about the rush to be #3 and in the article it mentioned that there has been some conversations in the ACC about unequal revenue splits. That would mean schools like us, Clemson and duke would get more money. Exactly how much would depend on the terms.

That could lead to some interesting things though. If the top schools are getting a significant amount more, do the schools at the bottom get upset. And if they do get upset, would they agree to an exit fee for the teams that will end up leaving anyway? If you aren't going to get a lot of money in the future, do you try to get what you can now to prepare for the future hit?
 
I don't see how that makes sense for anyone involved. I also don't see why ESPN would want to be involved with the PAC. I think it's much more likely they would want the big 12 to poach the PAC and figure out a way to get the best ACC brands to go to the SEC instead of the Big.
ESPN has been very stupid a number of times in the past. They ruined their ratings by letting go a bunch of very talented people so they could hire a bunch of silly chicks and pretend gang-banger hangers-on that nobody cares to listen to.
 
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Looks like the big 12 is going to raid the Pac, so I'm not sure what purpose joining up with them would serve. That WF vs Washington State game probably isn't going to move the needle.
Phil Knight is determined to buy Oregon into either BT or SEC. So when that happens, you can count on Washington being gone too. The Pac already, at full strength, was a distant #5 in national TV viewers in both revenue sports. Without, SC, UCLA, and Oregon the Pac would have a TV audience about the size of the new Sunbelt.
 
The Pac is a joke. With USC and UCLA gone, even more of one. Any talk about some kind of collaboration with the ACC is just a desperate stretch. Some folks seem to think the ACC can just call ESPN and demand more money to make them stable. But football drives the train, and Clemson is the only draw currently in the league. FSU is the only other school with any history, or tradition, to speak of in football. And if they leave, which they will in a minute of the money makes sense, the ACC will be even further behind money wise than they are now. So it is time to cut the best deal one can. Luckily, UNC is in a great position because of their national brand. Can probably choose between the SEC and the Big10. I know many long for the ACC, and long for days gone by. But times have changed. Afraid the ACC we have all known is soon to be a thing of the past. Time to leave before the ship sinks.
 
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As an All-American that's grown up and lived in 7 States in the Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, and Southwest and currently lives in the middle of the Carolinas, UNC should saddle up with the SEC like a true genteel, respectable, warm weathered, sun tanned Southerner should.
 
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i can imagine a roomful of know-it-alls sitting around plotting the next upheaval in sports. motivated by money sure, but even moreso by the feeling of power being movers and shakers. sports used to be one of the few areas of our lives we could count on for stability -- no more. reminds me of the quote by raymond aron: "revolution is the opiate of the intellectuals."
 
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The GOR which was put in place to protect the conference and ESPN has now become an impediment for any school to leave (including Carolina).
The ACC (and ESPN) will have to find a way for the conference to generate some dollars to help keep all of the athletic departments competitive until 2036.

The pattern has been for the two strongest conferences to each take the two strongest teams out of two of the three weakest. Those two weaker conferences will eventually die. The fly in the ointment was that the Big 12 reacted quickly and grabbed 4 new schools in an effort to survive. Unfortunately the PAC has no one to add to allow them to expand and live. This is the same pattern used to destroy the SWC, when the SEC invited Arkansas.

If the ACC is going to survive it must become a predator, but will need ESPN's help ($$).
 
The GOR which was put in place to protect the conference and ESPN has now become an impediment for any school to leave (including Carolina).
The ACC (and ESPN) will have to find a way for the conference to generate some dollars to help keep all of the athletic departments competitive until 2036.

The pattern has been for the two strongest conferences to each take the two strongest teams out of two of the three weakest. Those two weaker conferences will eventually die. The fly in the ointment was that the Big 12 reacted quickly and grabbed 4 new schools in an effort to survive. Unfortunately the PAC has no one to add to allow them to expand and live. This is the same pattern used to destroy the SWC, when the SEC invited Arkansas.

If the ACC is going to survive it must become a predator, but will need ESPN's help ($$).
The Pac has 1 obvious option: BYU.

BYU, not Colorado, has the largest football fan base of any school located in the Rockies region. BYU, not Utah, has the largest basketball fan base of any school located in the Rockies region. BYU also has a sizable TV fan base living in CA, especially in the LA TV market.

BYU brings TV eyes in the entire far West, from the Front Range to the Pacific coast.

If I were the Pac, I'd add BYU ASAP. And then I would do in depth study on the value of San Diego State, long term. The key question is: if it is in the Pac, could SDSU become a team that the San Diego area embraces as its only Big Time? If so, over time SDSU would become a huge TV draw in its large market, and also a decent TV draw in the LA Market, where many SDSU alums grew up and live.
 
The GOR which was put in place to protect the conference and ESPN has now become an impediment for any school to leave (including Carolina).
The ACC (and ESPN) will have to find a way for the conference to generate some dollars to help keep all of the athletic departments competitive until 2036.

The pattern has been for the two strongest conferences to each take the two strongest teams out of two of the three weakest. Those two weaker conferences will eventually die. The fly in the ointment was that the Big 12 reacted quickly and grabbed 4 new schools in an effort to survive. Unfortunately the PAC has no one to add to allow them to expand and live. This is the same pattern used to destroy the SWC, when the SEC invited Arkansas.

If the ACC is going to survive it must become a predator, but will need ESPN's help ($$).
I assume that by 'strongest' you mean richest. BT football is not 2nd strongest.
 
The GOR which was put in place to protect the conference and ESPN has now become an impediment for any school to leave (including Carolina).
The ACC (and ESPN) will have to find a way for the conference to generate some dollars to help keep all of the athletic departments competitive until 2036.

The pattern has been for the two strongest conferences to each take the two strongest teams out of two of the three weakest. Those two weaker conferences will eventually die. The fly in the ointment was that the Big 12 reacted quickly and grabbed 4 new schools in an effort to survive. Unfortunately the PAC has no one to add to allow them to expand and live. This is the same pattern used to destroy the SWC, when the SEC invited Arkansas.

If the ACC is going to survive it must become a predator, but will need ESPN's help ($$).
GofR will never last until 2036.
 
It could be a few yrs of $ dynamics for it to be impacted, and by then the acc could be a g5 level conf recruiting-wise...
That is the potential horror. Either ESPN coughs up to make certain that does not happen, or ACC members agree to dissolve the conference and then reform as a new conference and be on the open market. If neither of those occurs, the ACC leadership is worse than retarded: it is suicidal.

If the ACC wishes to keep all the valuable property in the ACC, it should pay us properly. And then it should secure the Pac and have the ACC and Pac arrange scheduling OOC games in both revenue sports and many non-revenue sports each year.
 
If Clemson is not on that list, something is wrong with the list.

What year or years does it allegedly cover?

You'd have to read Andy Staples analysis at The Athletic (behind paywall)....but I'd say a pretty good number of years...to get to as many as 31 games with a million or more viewers.

But I too wonder about Clemson's absence

Another look by someone else...

 
A very good take on Jim Phillips as ultra naive academic type, of the specific deluded Big Ten type. The real BT is what Kevin Warren showed by acting to destroy the Pac's chance to remain a Major/Power conference. The Pac, of course, has been the BT's Rose Bowl ally since right after WW2. No two conferences have ever worked as closely together.

And for the record, UNC basketball has been ultra 'professional' since the hiring of Frank McGuire. Moo, paradoxically, embraced ultra professional basketball by hiring Everett Case from IN high school basketball. Those two moves into then the top level of college basketball were required for ACC basketball to become what we know and respect.

And, of course, Disney is obviously a cut throat, Globalist machine.
 
You'd have to read Andy Staples analysis at The Athletic (behind paywall)....but I'd say a pretty good number of years...to get to as many as 31 games with a million or more viewers.

But I too wonder about Clemson's absence

Another look by someone else...

That list makes sense. What I think most important about it is how easily the ACC TV dollars could be higher now because we have more people watching ACC football games. For example, the FSU numbers are lower than they would have been if Bowden hadn't hung on too long. He tried to deny his aging, and he harmed the program a good deal. Then FSU hired Jimbo, who always worshipped SECC football, which set up his harm to the program.

Ah Miami - the Canes are a major TV draw only when they are at least 10-2 and ranked Top 12-15 or so. Miami - meaning bimbo Shalala - screwed ACC football by going all giggly Woke to hire the feel-good and low IQ Randy Shannon, and the program has yet to recover.

Beamer hurt VT by doing his version of Bowden staying on too long.

UNC, which would be a top 15 draw in football if the university had invested in football properly over the past 30 years, is nearly criminal at those numbers.

WVU in the ACC instead of Wake would mean higher numbers than WVU now has, and also higher numbers for schools like Pitt, Syracuse, UVA, VT and even UNC when they play WVU.

It is very easy to see how the ACC leadership has screwed up since it was founded, starting with taking Wake and allowing VT to stagnate in minor conference status for 40 years.
 
A very good take on Jim Phillips as ultra naive academic type, of the specific deluded Big Ten type. The real BT is what Kevin Warren showed by acting to destroy the Pac's chance to remain a Major/Power conference. The Pac, of course, has been the BT's Rose Bowl ally since right after WW2. No two conferences have ever worked as closely together.

And for the record, UNC basketball has been ultra 'professional' since the hiring of Frank McGuire. Moo, paradoxically, embraced ultra professional basketball by hiring Everett Case from IN high school basketball. Those two moves into then the top level of college basketball were required for ACC basketball to become what we know and respect.

And, of course, Disney is obviously a cut throat, Globalist machine.
It's actually a pretty horrible take. What Phillips said wasn't great, but that writer sounds like a little child that didn't get the toy he wants for Christmas. Throwing a tantrum and making laughable claims like, "vows that the revenue gaps with the Big Two leagues could close thanks to creative realignment and negotiating," makes no sense. There isn't really anything that Phillips could have said to improve the situation, but this writer would have him look like he belongs at the kids table. What's funny though, is that some of what the writer said should be said is something that was said. That tells me he wrote the article before the press conference.
 
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