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All coaches who fail to retire on time will go over the hill and at least begin the process of potentially ruining what they accomplished. Frank Beamer just retired about 3 years too late. Bobby Bowden retired 4 or 5 years too late. Ditto Joe Paterno, who could be forced to do the right thing for the program only after the worst pedophile scandal in sports history.

ESPN's Myron Medcalf opens quite forcefully" "
Falling back into his seat at the postgame dais at the Frank Erwin Center after his team's loss to Texas on Saturday, Roy Williams opened the Q&A with one word and a sigh that summarized the mood of a North Carolina basketball team that's fighting, and failing, to preserve its former legacy.

"OK ... "

You can imagine the solemn tone.

The tone a teenager uses before he tells his parents why he really missed curfew. The tone your mechanic adopts before he hands you the bill and reveals that your car needs a new everything. The tone a prominent college basketball coach employs when he's blessed with elite talent but is still underachieving and losing his grip on one of the richest legacies in the game -- one that heeds to a lofty standard that's not met by a loss to a Texas squad that Texas A&M, Michigan and Washington all defeated."

A hard to swallow pill: "North Carolina's former success centered on three ideas: The Tar Heels were perennial national title and ACC contenders, they attracted America's top prep players and they developed NBA talent. That's not the norm today."

If you have followed my comments on basketball over the past 5 years or so, you will know that I see the problem as being, or at last being birthed inevitably from, Roy having slowly become a hidebound ideologue. He has a simple idea that once was bold and original, and he is a true believer, and, like Ahab chasing that whale, he will take the ship down with his idea, his ideology.

UNC no longer develops players, for great success in college or to last in the NBA, because Roy recruits and then trains to feed his system: run up and down the court the fastest to get off the most shots. To recruit for that, you cannot focus on perimeter D or half court D or fundamentally sound rebounding or outside shooting by Bigs or even 3 point shooting by Gs and WFs. Your starting point and your main focus is on players getting up and down court as fast as possible.

If you do not have a good, flexible, efficient half court offense, your ability to get off the most shots will cripple the team. If you cannot play good perimeter D, your team filled with 1st rate run-jump athletes is going to get exposed time and again.

At this point, I do not see Roy changing. He is a true believer in his system, He knows that if only he can land another Big like Hansbrough and another PG as fast as Lawson who in year 3 will finally be a 1st rate outside shooter and a WD who can nail 3s like Ellington, and have another 7 or top athletes to play with them then he can win another National Title.

And Beamer kept dreaming about another Michael Vick has his teams underachieved several years in succession.
 
I absolutely love Roy and hope he can coach another 5 years but it's not worth omitting the fact that 3 years running we've (I say we bc I bleed everything UNC) had double digit losses .. I'm spoiled I'm not afraid to admit it ...I miss being in the national title talks every year ...will I stop loving Roy or stop being a fan if we once again lose 10 plus games? No.. But I don't think having these types of discussions are taboo either
 
I hate threads like this!! Lose one game on a last second shot and its time for Roy to retire? Go ahead and crank the bus up and back over him....WOW!!

And I hate responses like this. Lose one game? I'm not sure what team you've been watching, but just this year we've lost two games that we shouldn't have lost. Not to mention the several games lost last year that should've been won including the last game of the season against Wisconsin, if the lead was managed correctly late.

Roy's reluctance to call timeouts, shorten the bench, and make in-game adjustments are all frustrating.... but I wouldn't care about those if we didn't have inexplicable losses. He could play James and Britt 30 minutes a night and never call a TO and you wouldn't hear a peep outta the naysayers if he was winning the games he should win. When he doesn't, those actions are justifiably questioned.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting Roy should step down or be fired. But the fact that people on here get so bent out of shape when it's even brought up for debate doesn't make sense to me. I want to see the program flourish again, and the truth is that they've been close to a Final Four once since the absolutely stacked 2009 team won it all. Roy did an amazing job his first 5 years on the job, and other than the NIT slip up following the title, that can be extended to his first 8 years to include the 2012 team which was great. But since then over the past 3 years, it hasn't been the same.
 
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Those top 15 teams have lost to ranked opponents for the most part, and we're the only team in the top 20 that hasn't been able to "just get by" twice already this year. I'm not saying it's the end of the world, the team is going down in flames, Roy should be fired, etc. I'm just saying it's cause for concern. If this program had shown me they could lose multiple OOC games early, have double digit losses on the season, and still make a nice run in the tournament, I wouldn't be concerned at all. But the teams that have made the FF haven't had those slip ups as early and as often, and the ones that have had those slip ups haven't made the FF.

Yeah..Yeah..It's always Roy's fault. Never the teams! For your info I never miss a game!

It may be Roy's fault, it may be the team's fault, or it may be a little of both. Whatever it is, something needs to change to right the ship, correct? Or are we all content just watching the same problems happen repeatedly?
 
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I agree with you Hark. I don't think Roy should be fired. He saved the program after Dougherty. He has won two championships. He is a great coach. But this thread is fine. It is not wrong to question a coach when things are not going well. And they have not been going very well over the past few years. I attribute most of this to the scandal which is not Roy's fault. But it should be open to discussion.
 
We really need a DISLIKE button on this forum too.

I have said it before and say it again here. Maybe one coach in 1000 could have done anywhere near as well as Roy has done given the garbage he has had to deal with in these last 5-6 years or so. We are exceptionally lucky to have him.
 
And I hate responses like this. Lose one game? I'm not sure what team you've been watching, but just this year we've lost two games that we shouldn't have lost. Not to mention the several games lost last year that should've been won including the last game of the season against Wisconsin, if the lead was managed correctly late.

Roy's reluctance to call timeouts, shorten the bench, and make in-game adjustments are all frustrating.... but I wouldn't care about those if we didn't have inexplicable losses. He could play James and Britt 30 minutes a night and never call a TO and you wouldn't hear a peep outta the naysayers if he was winning the games he should win. When he doesn't, those actions are justifiably questioned.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting Roy should step down or be fired. But the fact that people on here get so bent out of shape when it's even brought up for debate doesn't make sense to me. I want to see the program flourish again, and the truth is that they've been close to a Final Four once since the absolutely stacked 2009 team won it all. Roy did an amazing job his first 5 years on the job, and other than the NIT slip up following the title, that can be extended to his first 8 years to include the 2012 team which was great. But since then over the past 3 years, it hasn't been the same.



What I expected...
 
Roy Williams has ALREADY SAVED this program once... Anyone who missed that happening is in left field. He absolutely has given UNC his heart and soul since he returned. The article will generate hits mainly because it is ESPN. It is a Crackhead read to me. Roy will get this ship back on track once again for the second time . I am proud to have him as our Coach...
 
You're allowed to be a fan without seeing everything through baby blue shades. If you can't connect the dots and see that Roy's reluctance to embrace the one and done players and his inability to adjust to a more heavy reliance on the 3 ball have created a huge roadblock for the problem then you're lost
 
Hello all! Glad to be here! Been lurking and reading the boards for a while, but never had the urge to post. With winter being here and having more time to be indoors on the computer, thought I would post today.

I guess one of the reasons that I never felt I wanted to be part of the discussion is that I can see that most on this board won't tolerate anybody saying anything remotely negative about Roy. Questioning Roy is frowned upon on this site. Well, I think the first post quoting the article makes a lot of good points.

We are not the Carolina of yesterday and I think we all need to recognize that. We are losing games to teams that we should not lose to. These losses are quickly excused by some of the bigger supporters on this board and we are told that the team will be alright. When was the last time the team was alright? 2009? We lost to a not very good Texas team the other day. In the game thread a poster excused it by saying that Texas shot a very high level from behind the arc. Isn't that one of the points the article is making? Roy and his teams refuse to guard the 3 and that has caused a majority of our losses the last few years. It is most certainly why we have 2 losses this year. Team can beat us on the perimeter and they know it.

The game has changed. There are a LOT of capable shooters out there. Letting teams bomb away and hope you can get up more shots than them is not the way to go. Especially when we only have one good shooter ourselves. When Roy refuses to change his philosophy defensively, this is what you get. One of my questions is, since teams can shoot the 3 against us all the time, why is it that we can't seem to recruit one single reliable shooter that scares other defenses? Other than Paige, we don't have a shooter that scares anybody.

Roy has a system and you are not going to get a guy his age to change much, if any at all. I think the article makes some valid points that are worth discussing. NOBODY is saying fire Roy or that Roy sucks. Sometimes you have to take off your fanboy glasses and see what is really happening. Roy's system isn't the best anymore and it has been beaten a LOT lately. I would like to think there are some smart people on here. If you don't agree, then discuss why. Don't just simply dismiss the opinions of others because the comments aren't rainbows and lolli pops.
 
Roy Williams has ALREADY SAVED this program once... Anyone who missed that happening is in left field. He absolutely has given UNC his heart and soul since he returned. The article will generate hits mainly because it is ESPN. It is a Crackhead read to me. Roy will get this ship back on track once again for the second time . I am proud to have him as our Coach...

I don't think anybody thinks you are wrong, but what will he do to right the ship? Do you think he will change his philosophy? Will he recruit better? The biggest thing I see on TV is our lack of defensive intensity, lack of defensive IQ, and lack of defensive playmaking. Teams KNOW they will have plenty of open looks against us. The bad shooting teams can't take advantage and good shooting teams just drool at the thought of taking us on.

Say what you want and excuse it all you want, but losing to Northern Iowa is a bad loss. They are not Northern Iowa from last year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they lose 4 starters and 80% of their scoring from last year or something close to that?

I'm not sure what the answers are, but let's not turn a blind eye to the results of the past few years.
 
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You're allowed to be a fan without seeing everything through baby blue shades. If you can't connect the dots and see that Roy's reluctance to embrace the one and done players and his inability to adjust to a more heavy reliance on the 3 ball have created a huge roadblock for the problem then you're lost

This is one of the points the article is making. The 3 ball is so heavily involved in the game now and it appears that Roy isn't recognizing or embracing that. Teams shoot lights out against us on a regular basis and we don't have the shooters to fire back. We can't continue to do the same things that don't work and HOPE for different outcomes. We can't let the good teams bomb away on us and HOPE that we somehow outscore them with more possessions. It really hasn't worked the last few years. No reason to believe it will work now.
 
I don't think anybody thinks you are wrong, but what will he do to right the ship? Do you think he will change his philosophy? Will he recruit better? The biggest thing I see on TV is our lack of defensive intensity, lack of defensive IQ, and lack of defensive playmaking. Teams KNOW they will have plenty of open looks against us. The bad shooting teams can't take advantage and good shooting teams just drool at the thought of taking us on.

Say what you want and excuse it all you want, but losing to Northern Iowa is a bad loss. They are not Northern Iowa from last year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they lose 4 starters and 80% of their scoring from last year or something close to that?

I'm not sure what the answers are, but let's not turn a blind eye to the results of the past few years.



Maybe I might like your third post more. Roy Williams will get through to this team soon enough...
 
You're allowed to be a fan without seeing everything through baby blue shades. If you can't connect the dots and see that Roy's reluctance to embrace the one and done players and his inability to adjust to a more heavy reliance on the 3 ball have created a huge roadblock for the problem then you're lost



Fan for whom...?
 
All coaches who fail to retire on time will go over the hill and at least begin the process of potentially ruining what they accomplished. Frank Beamer just retired about 3 years too late. Bobby Bowden retired 4 or 5 years too late. Ditto Joe Paterno, who could be forced to do the right thing for the program only after the worst pedophile scandal in sports history.

ESPN's Myron Medcalf opens quite forcefully" "
Falling back into his seat at the postgame dais at the Frank Erwin Center after his team's loss to Texas on Saturday, Roy Williams opened the Q&A with one word and a sigh that summarized the mood of a North Carolina basketball team that's fighting, and failing, to preserve its former legacy.

"OK ... "

You can imagine the solemn tone.

The tone a teenager uses before he tells his parents why he really missed curfew. The tone your mechanic adopts before he hands you the bill and reveals that your car needs a new everything. The tone a prominent college basketball coach employs when he's blessed with elite talent but is still underachieving and losing his grip on one of the richest legacies in the game -- one that heeds to a lofty standard that's not met by a loss to a Texas squad that Texas A&M, Michigan and Washington all defeated."

A hard to swallow pill: "North Carolina's former success centered on three ideas: The Tar Heels were perennial national title and ACC contenders, they attracted America's top prep players and they developed NBA talent. That's not the norm today."

If you have followed my comments on basketball over the past 5 years or so, you will know that I see the problem as being, or at last being birthed inevitably from, Roy having slowly become a hidebound ideologue. He has a simple idea that once was bold and original, and he is a true believer, and, like Ahab chasing that whale, he will take the ship down with his idea, his ideology.

UNC no longer develops players, for great success in college or to last in the NBA, because Roy recruits and then trains to feed his system: run up and down the court the fastest to get off the most shots. To recruit for that, you cannot focus on perimeter D or half court D or fundamentally sound rebounding or outside shooting by Bigs or even 3 point shooting by Gs and WFs. Your starting point and your main focus is on players getting up and down court as fast as possible.

If you do not have a good, flexible, efficient half court offense, your ability to get off the most shots will cripple the team. If you cannot play good perimeter D, your team filled with 1st rate run-jump athletes is going to get exposed time and again.

At this point, I do not see Roy changing. He is a true believer in his system, He knows that if only he can land another Big like Hansbrough and another PG as fast as Lawson who in year 3 will finally be a 1st rate outside shooter and a WD who can nail 3s like Ellington, and have another 7 or top athletes to play with them then he can win another National Title.

And Beamer kept dreaming about another Michael Vick has his teams underachieved several years in succession.
I'm not gonna pull any punches here.
First, that article was a dumbass pile-on-after-a-loss piece, and I'll leave it at that.
Second, WTH are you even talking about? Roy coaches the best basketball system ever invented. That system is Carolina basketball. Should he be more flexible and multiple on defense? Sure, but Roy is the same Roy he was in '05 and '09.
Third, "Beamering"? Are you ****ing serious? Beamer punched the card to his own retirement by making the worst hire in history --- Scott Loeffler as OC (the exact same hire BTW, that previously cost Gene Chizik his HC gig at Auburn). It didn't have a damned thing to do with Beamer's "system". It was Loeffler's notorious incompetence.

Some of the stuff I read on here (not to mention the junk from Bruce in the podcast) just makes my head hurt.
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I'm not gonna pull any punches here.
First, that article was a dumbass pile-on-after-a-loss piece, and I'll leave it at that.
Second, WTH are you even talking about? Roy coaches the best basketball system ever invented. That system is Carolina basketball. Should he be more flexible and multiple on defense? Sure, but Roy is the same Roy he was in '05 and '09.
Third, "Beamering"? Are you ****ing serious? Beamer punched the card to his own retirement by making the worst hire in history --- Scott Loeffler as OC (the exact same hire BTW, that previously cost Gene Chizik his HC gig at Auburn). It didn't have a damned thing to do with Beamer's "system". It was Loeffler's notorious incompetence.

Some of the stuff I read on here (not to mention the junk from Bruce in the podcast) just makes my head hurt.
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Spot on Gary!!! :)
 
I'm not gonna pull any punches here.
First, that article was a dumbass pile-on-after-a-loss piece, and I'll leave it at that.
Second, WTH are you even talking about? Roy coaches the best basketball system ever invented. That system is Carolina basketball. Should he be more flexible and multiple on defense? Sure, but Roy is the same Roy he was in '05 and '09.
Third, "Beamering"? Are you ****ing serious? Beamer punched the card to his own retirement by making the worst hire in history --- Scott Loeffler as OC (the exact same hire BTW, that previously cost Gene Chizik his HC gig at Auburn). It didn't have a damned thing to do with Beamer's "system". It was Loeffler's notorious incompetence.

Some of the stuff I read on here (not to mention the junk from Bruce in the podcast) just makes my head hurt.
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I agree with what Gary said (as is mostly usual)... I can't add much to what the people who refute the OP above, but will add this:

1) I think this guy Metcalf is notorious in his unhidden glee at taking shots at UNC. I think maybe he's a Big Ten lackey.
2) I LOVE the way people can easily assess "games we are not supposed to lose". How do they do this? Based on stats and star ratings on paper? These teams (UNI and UT) get super-up for these games against a high ranked UNC program. I'm disappointed we didn't win, but its not like we lost to bottom-feeder teams that gave dead-dog efforts.

Look into the specifics regarding bad matchups and missing Marcus, other guys being ill or injured, the challenging travel circumstances, and the losses are at least explainable (if not acceptable to some). Roy could've easily stayed home and scheduled Northeast Cupcake PolyTech and won two more games. Would that make the doubters happy? Yes. Would have been in the long term best interests of this team for March / April? I don't think so.

3) Our great performances against Md and Davidson - legit programs, I guess are overlooked, as well as our comebacks / solid play against KSU and Northwestern - road games for us. "Let's just focus on where we underachieved expectations, not where maybe we overachieved."

4) I think people underestimate how hard Roy has worked and how well he's done navigating through unwarranted investigation junk and the NCAA's outrageous foot dragging, and other coaches using it against us in a deceitful lying way. Still working his butt off, doing better than I think anyone can expect, recruiting with some very steep built in disadvantages. Who else could've done better or worked nearly as hard?

5) last point - in the age of early entry, it will always be a tricky BALANCE of having players good enough to contend, but not so good individually that they are mostly one-and-dones. Where would we be if Marcus, Brice, Meeks, Jackson left last year? (or Barnes, etc before them?) I think Roy doesn't get enough credit for getting kids to stick around, and developing them to be the best college TEAM they can be.
 
I agree with you Hark. I don't think Roy should be fired. He saved the program after Dougherty. He has won two championships. He is a great coach. But this thread is fine. It is not wrong to question a coach when things are not going well. And they have not been going very well over the past few years. I attribute most of this to the scandal which is not Roy's fault. But it should be open to discussion.
Nothing at all wrong with criticizing the coach --- even when it was Dean Smith. But to base it on arbitrary and off-base ramblings of some BSPN guy with an agenda, or making a totally outrageous analogy with Frank Beamer's situation is just silly.
 
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Don't be a douchebag. Just because I'm not delusional and can see that this team is going right back to where they ended the last 2 seasons doesn't mean I'm not a fan.

Wow, did you get your information from Mistress Fantasia, Psychic? :confused: What gary said...
 
EXCELLENT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
All coaches who fail to retire on time will go over the hill and at least begin the process of potentially ruining what they accomplished. Frank Beamer just retired about 3 years too late. Bobby Bowden retired 4 or 5 years too late. Ditto Joe Paterno, who could be forced to do the right thing for the program only after the worst pedophile scandal in sports history.

ESPN's Myron Medcalf opens quite forcefully" "
Falling back into his seat at the postgame dais at the Frank Erwin Center after his team's loss to Texas on Saturday, Roy Williams opened the Q&A with one word and a sigh that summarized the mood of a North Carolina basketball team that's fighting, and failing, to preserve its former legacy.

"OK ... "

You can imagine the solemn tone.

The tone a teenager uses before he tells his parents why he really missed curfew. The tone your mechanic adopts before he hands you the bill and reveals that your car needs a new everything. The tone a prominent college basketball coach employs when he's blessed with elite talent but is still underachieving and losing his grip on one of the richest legacies in the game -- one that heeds to a lofty standard that's not met by a loss to a Texas squad that Texas A&M, Michigan and Washington all defeated."

A hard to swallow pill: "North Carolina's former success centered on three ideas: The Tar Heels were perennial national title and ACC contenders, they attracted America's top prep players and they developed NBA talent. That's not the norm today."

If you have followed my comments on basketball over the past 5 years or so, you will know that I see the problem as being, or at last being birthed inevitably from, Roy having slowly become a hidebound ideologue. He has a simple idea that once was bold and original, and he is a true believer, and, like Ahab chasing that whale, he will take the ship down with his idea, his ideology.

UNC no longer develops players, for great success in college or to last in the NBA, because Roy recruits and then trains to feed his system: run up and down the court the fastest to get off the most shots. To recruit for that, you cannot focus on perimeter D or half court D or fundamentally sound rebounding or outside shooting by Bigs or even 3 point shooting by Gs and WFs. Your starting point and your main focus is on players getting up and down court as fast as possible.

If you do not have a good, flexible, efficient half court offense, your ability to get off the most shots will cripple the team. If you cannot play good perimeter D, your team filled with 1st rate run-jump athletes is going to get exposed time and again.

At this point, I do not see Roy changing. He is a true believer in his system, He knows that if only he can land another Big like Hansbrough and another PG as fast as Lawson who in year 3 will finally be a 1st rate outside shooter and a WD who can nail 3s like Ellington, and have another 7 or top athletes to play with them then he can win another National Title.

And Beamer kept dreaming about another Michael Vick has his teams underachieved several years in succession.
 
I guess one of the reasons that I never felt I wanted to be part of the discussion is that I can see that most on this board won't tolerate anybody saying anything remotely negative about Roy. Questioning Roy is frowned upon on this site. Well, I think the first post quoting the article makes a lot of good points..

Welcome to the board, you had a few really good posts there. As you'll see with the board some of the posters will fly off the handle if you even suggest that Roy might not be doing a 100% perfect job, or that the players aren't the 1st-10th best players in the country hands down. Others like to engage in a more realistic conversation of what is going well and not so well for the team, in the hopes that at some point the things that are going not so well will improve. Either way, we're all Tar Heel fans (even if the blue-shaders like to question the fandom of the realists).
 
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Thank GOD WE HAVE FREE WILL. With that said. I wish to express my opinion. Thank youGOD that Roy Williams is our UNC TAR HEEL BB COACH. GOD please remind me how hard of a time you had in trying to please the human race. and our UNC fan base is expecting a human to please them,WOW!

!!!!!!!!!!!! GO ROY & STAFF !!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!! GO MY TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!

to let those who wish not to support my UNC TAR HEEL COACH- I am sticking out my tongue at you, and deal with it
 
Welcome to the board, you had a few really good posts there. As you'll see with the board some of the posters will fly off the handle if you even suggest that Roy might not be doing a 100% perfect job, or that the players aren't the 1st-10th best players in the country hands down. Others like to engage in a more realistic conversation of what is going well and not so well for the team, in the hopes that at some point the things that are going not so well will improve. Either way, we're all Tar Heel fans (even if the blue-shaders like to question the fandom of the realists).


Thank you for the reply and kind words. I'm never going to intentionally bash anybody, but I do like to talk about the issues that are effecting this team and the positive things as well. I like to believe I'm a fan that can take an unbiased look at this team.
 
Welcome to the board, you had a few really good posts there. As you'll see with the board some of the posters will fly off the handle if you even suggest that Roy might not be doing a 100% perfect job, or that the players aren't the 1st-10th best players in the country hands down. Others like to engage in a more realistic conversation of what is going well and not so well for the team, in the hopes that at some point the things that are going not so well will improve. Either way, we're all Tar Heel fans (even if the blue-shaders like to question the fandom of the realists).

I uave no prob discussing the merits of the article. I have a huge prob with the op intro to it as well as the thread title though. I'm sure u can differentiate the two being a realist and all.
 
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We really need a DISLIKE button on this forum too.

I have said it before and say it again here. Maybe one coach in 1000 could have done anywhere near as well as Roy has done given the garbage he has had to deal with in these last 5-6 years or so. We are exceptionally lucky to have him.

Nothing at all wrong with criticizing the coach --- even when it was Dean Smith. But to base it on arbitrary and off-base ramblings of some BSPN guy with an agenda, or making a totally outrageous analogy with Frank Beamer's situation is just silly.

Both posts exemplify my feelings. I also agree that we need a dislike button.

DSPN doesn't write or say anything worth reading, let alone quoting. It was akin to someone citing Seth Greenberg's criticism of Roy recently.
 
I'm not gonna pull any punches here.
First, that article was a dumbass pile-on-after-a-loss piece, and I'll leave it at that.
Second, WTH are you even talking about? Roy coaches the best basketball system ever invented. That system is Carolina basketball. Should he be more flexible and multiple on defense? Sure, but Roy is the same Roy he was in '05 and '09.
Third, "Beamering"? Are you ****ing serious? Beamer punched the card to his own retirement by making the worst hire in history --- Scott Loeffler as OC (the exact same hire BTW, that previously cost Gene Chizik his HC gig at Auburn). It didn't have a damned thing to do with Beamer's "system". It was Loeffler's notorious incompetence.

Some of the stuff I read on here (not to mention the junk from Bruce in the podcast) just makes my head hurt.
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If you ever visit The Blitz,you'll know how Woad really feels about Bball.
 
All coaches who fail to retire on time will go over the hill and at least begin the process of potentially ruining what they accomplished. Frank Beamer just retired about 3 years too late. Bobby Bowden retired 4 or 5 years too late. Ditto Joe Paterno, who could be forced to do the right thing for the program only after the worst pedophile scandal in sports history.

ESPN's Myron Medcalf opens quite forcefully" "
Falling back into his seat at the postgame dais at the Frank Erwin Center after his team's loss to Texas on Saturday, Roy Williams opened the Q&A with one word and a sigh that summarized the mood of a North Carolina basketball team that's fighting, and failing, to preserve its former legacy.

"OK ... "

You can imagine the solemn tone.

The tone a teenager uses before he tells his parents why he really missed curfew. The tone your mechanic adopts before he hands you the bill and reveals that your car needs a new everything. The tone a prominent college basketball coach employs when he's blessed with elite talent but is still underachieving and losing his grip on one of the richest legacies in the game -- one that heeds to a lofty standard that's not met by a loss to a Texas squad that Texas A&M, Michigan and Washington all defeated."

A hard to swallow pill: "North Carolina's former success centered on three ideas: The Tar Heels were perennial national title and ACC contenders, they attracted America's top prep players and they developed NBA talent. That's not the norm today."

If you have followed my comments on basketball over the past 5 years or so, you will know that I see the problem as being, or at last being birthed inevitably from, Roy having slowly become a hidebound ideologue. He has a simple idea that once was bold and original, and he is a true believer, and, like Ahab chasing that whale, he will take the ship down with his idea, his ideology.

UNC no longer develops players, for great success in college or to last in the NBA, because Roy recruits and then trains to feed his system: run up and down the court the fastest to get off the most shots. To recruit for that, you cannot focus on perimeter D or half court D or fundamentally sound rebounding or outside shooting by Bigs or even 3 point shooting by Gs and WFs. Your starting point and your main focus is on players getting up and down court as fast as possible.

If you do not have a good, flexible, efficient half court offense, your ability to get off the most shots will cripple the team. If you cannot play good perimeter D, your team filled with 1st rate run-jump athletes is going to get exposed time and again.

At this point, I do not see Roy changing. He is a true believer in his system, He knows that if only he can land another Big like Hansbrough and another PG as fast as Lawson who in year 3 will finally be a 1st rate outside shooter and a WD who can nail 3s like Ellington, and have another 7 or top athletes to play with them then he can win another National Title.

And Beamer kept dreaming about another Michael Vick has his teams underachieved several years in succession.




I'll ask you this woad,if UNC fball team craps and falls back into it next season will you be hollering for Fedoras head? Lets see how we fare in march before posting stupid shit.
 
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Fire Roy.....we only won by 30 points tonight.....man his system sucks...the players missed some FT's and did you see Tulane get that one rebound over our guy......get rid of this guy...his system is outdated........holy cow!!!!
 
Thank you for the reply and kind words. I'm never going to intentionally bash anybody, but I do like to talk about the issues that are effecting this team and the positive things as well. I like to believe I'm a fan that can take an unbiased look at this team.




SO I am GLAD to know that you will NOT insult anyone. Just what did you fail at doing most of the day today (then)? Roy Williams has an extremely high winning percentage while Coaching his basketball teams. I say this because this FACT obviously escapes you. In the past decade (most recent decade; since 2005) not a single head Coach has been to more Final Four Events than one Roy Williams. Facts be damned when certain posters hit the keyboard. The most amazing fact being that some people just do not know how wrong they really are. However I always attempt to remember that stupid is the one personality trait that simply can not be fixed...
 
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