Istanbul bombing

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

So, seems like it's about once a week that we have another incident similar to this one. My thoughts are with all of those affected by this one. The count right now I believe is 28 dead, 60 wounded, by 3 terrorists. Some combination of shooting, then blowing themselves up.

I wonder if this will be called what it is by the current Administration, or if they'll still sit there and wonder if there is actually any connection to any extreme religious views.

In other news, the WBC may have held a meeting chanting "fags should die!" today - seems to be about on the same scale.... smh.

 

[Nuk'EM Heels]

Nothing to see here... waiting for HRC or BHO to blame this on a stupid video, but that it had absolutely nothing to do with Radical Islam, absolutely not... and, even if it did, it's our fault... probably lefties will demand a global ban on explosives that most certainly would have spontaneously assembled themselves, transported themselves to the blast site at the airport, and then detonated themselves killing all those people who were either directly or indirectly responsible for this entire sequence of events... oh, and Radical Islamists also used guns, so there will be the gratuitous and concomitant requirement to ban guns globally... nothing more to discuss here...

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

So, seems like it's about once a week that we have another incident similar to this one. My thoughts are with all of those affected by this one. The count right now I believe is 28 dead, 60 wounded, by 3 terrorists. Some combination of shooting, then blowing themselves up.

I wonder if this will be called what it is by the current Administration, or if they'll still sit there and wonder if there is actually any connection to any extreme religious views.

In other news, the WBC may have held a meeting chanting "fags should die!" today - seems to be about on the same scale.... smh.

hahahahaha smart ass! Ughhhh-gainnnnnn I never said the acts of each group were the same, the mentality/hate.... Nevermind

 

[Blue2010]

All I can do is SMH. A very good friend of mine is from Turkey and I hated to be the one to break this news to her today (she was working and had no idea).

This will never end until these idiots are dealt with properly.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I don't see how you stop such evil. I really don't. It's incredibly depressing.

 

[prlyles]

All I can do is SMH. A very good friend of mine is from Turkey and I hated to be the one to break this news to her today (she was working and had no idea).

This will never end until these idiots are dealt with properly.

That's the $64,000 question. How do you "deal with them properly" ? ????

 

[gteeitup]

this was really disturbing in that one bomber blew one spot so another bomber could immediately enter to blow up another.

 

[strummingram]

Clearly these people are not afraid to die. They seem to look forward to it. Threatening them with their lives is a weak bargaining chip. They'd just as soon take their own lives, obviously.

If someone were not afraid of getting fat, do you think giving them as much cake, ice cream and hamburgers as possible, and knowing they'd eat as much as you gave them, would make them stop eating too much?

 

[UNC71-00]

If someone were not afraid of getting fat, do you think giving them as much cake, ice cream and hamburgers as possible, and knowing they'd eat as much as you gave them, would make them stop eating too much?

I am really looking forward to the elaboration of this analogy.

 

[strummingram]

I am really looking forward to the elaboration of this analogy.

What needs to be elaborated?

 

[heelmanwilm]

I don't see how you stop such evil. I really don't. It's incredibly depressing.

I feel the same way. Its hopeless. When someone can rationalize such behavior there is no remedy for it. The more they do it the more we bomb them. The more we bomb them the more they do it.

 

[heelmanwilm]

this was really disturbing in that one bomber blew one spot so another bomber could immediately enter to blow up another.

Yepp a new and scary tactic

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

I am really looking forward to the elaboration of this analogy.

You know, he's right about that one! They really do not care about dying and believe you are just doing them a favor by killing them. Now of course, you guys can argue that as long as they are dead, who cares what they want or think. I just do not see a way to get rid of them though. They are like roaches, you kill a bunch but there are more hidden and come out later. So short of trying to find a way to make peace with the younger generations over there (you can forget about it with the ones who are actively in hate mode now, that won't happen) or we will have this same thing repeating itself over and over and over long after we are all dead and gone.

 

[prlyles]

I don't think anybody even knows what is their end goal. One week they blow up people in Paris, the next week Istanbul. How can those two cities be connected?

 

[HookUNC75]

What gets me is how can someone be convinced that committing these suicide acts brings the highest honor and reward in heaven without themselves wondering if it's so great then why aren't the clerics and leaders telling them this doing it themselves?

 

[strummingram]

I feel the same way. Its hopeless. When someone can rationalize such behavior there is no remedy for it. The more they do it the more we bomb them. The more we bomb them the more they do it.

These people have far more conviction and resolve. Not to mention, they are motivated by their homes being invaded, occupied, plundered, bombed and generally thrown into chaos.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

What gets me is how can someone be convinced that committing these suicide acts brings the highest honor and reward in heaven without themselves wondering if it's so great then why aren't the clerics and leaders telling them this doing it themselves?

I wonder myself and all I can come up with is hate... hate makes you do some strange things. It makes no sense.

 

[UNC71-00]

What needs to be elaborated?

So the fat guy is the terrorists and the food is American foreign policy?

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

The thing is this is not going to stop. I have a horrible feeling about the Olympic Games coming up. I hope I'm wrong. We have poked this snake one time too many. Honestly I am starting to think a flood of the entire earth is the only thing that can change things.

 

[strummingram]

So the fat guy is the terrorists and the food is American foreign policy?

Don't strain yourself on the metaphors. You're going to have difficulty deterring people -who are not afraid of death- by killing them, or threatening to kill them. They've got you outmatched. You're afraid of being attacked and dying... they aren't.


ETA: When you do attack and kill them, it only helps to validate THEIR incentives to continue what they're doing, and you also recruit younger generations to follow suit.

 

[strummingram]

I wonder myself and all I can come up with is hate... hate makes you do some strange things. It makes no sense.

And, even when they're acting out in revenge, they're doing nothing "wrong", given their model of the world and the circumstances. NO ONE does anything wrong based on their model of the world. I just try to do, myself, what feels right.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

And, even when they're acting out in revenge, they're doing nothing "wrong", given their model of the world and the circumstances. NO ONE does anything wrong based on their model of the world. I just try to do, myself, what feels right.

Ummmm well what may feel right to you may not feel right to someone else though. I mean I can see this to an extent but if a terrorist feels "right" blowing up an airport that doesn't mean it feels right to others that are being blown up or injured in that airport.

 

[strummingram]

Ummmm well what may feel right to you may not feel right to someone else though. I mean I can see this to an extent but if a terrorist feels "right" blowing up an airport that doesn't mean it feels right to others that are being blown up or injured in that airport.

Well, of course it doesn't feel right to a victim of one of these attacks. It doesn't feel right to me either. Right and wrong relative to everyone.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Well, of course it doesn't feel right to a victim of one of these attacks. It doesn't feel right to me either. Right and wrong relative to everyone.

So if I feel like it's right to come set your house on fire and that's relative to me but it doesn't feel right to you, even though the result will be the same, your house is burned down, you're feeling "not good/right/happy" about it but because it felt right to me that makes it okay for me and ??what?? For you???? I'm having a hard time getting this one. I believe right and wrong between two or more people has to contain some consent in there somewhere, otherwise, there is right and "wrong" involved on someone's part.

 

[Blue2010]

I don't want to interrupt you two lovebirds from having a mini marital squabble...known to happen from time to time in a relationship...

But, this whole notion of "right vs wrong" is a moot point, to me. Personally, I have always believed (and I think some research has started to conclude this as well) that we are all born with some level of a "moral code" -- hence, we know Good from Evil on a subliminal level. Regardless of what these groups of people say or do to justify their actions, I don't think it can change the fact that in truth, they know what they are doing is wrong. Be it some level of fame (in their eyes), money, power...what have you, they have ultimately found a way to justify an Evil action as being right.

But at the end of the day - I believe that everyone (at least subliminally) knows that murder is wrong. My ONLY rationale behind wiping them out is to protect other innocent victims in the future, which, from a prior thread, is allowed Biblically.

 

[strummingram]

So if I feel like it's right to come set your house on fire and that's relative to me but it doesn't feel right to you, even though the result will be the same, your house is burned down, you're feeling "not good/right/happy" about it but because it felt right to me that makes it okay for me and ??what?? For you???? I'm having a hard time getting this one. I believe right and wrong between two or more people has to contain some consent in there somewhere, otherwise, there is right and "wrong" involved on someone's part.

Consent is a factor. But, you're asking ME "if it's right" for YOU. That's out of my jurisdiction. Only you can tell you what's right or wrong.

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

Consent is a factor. But, you're asking ME "if it's right" for YOU. That's out of my jurisdiction. Only you can tell you what's right or wrong.

So then there is right and wrong? It's just subjective to the viewpoint of the person involved?? Oh well, I'm confusing myself apparently (no comments from the peanut gallery!)

xoxo lol

 

[chick_bleeds_carolina_blue]

I don't want to interrupt you two lovebirds from having a mini marital squabble...known to happen from time to time in a relationship...

But, this whole notion of "right vs wrong" is a moot point, to me. Personally, I have always believed (and I think some research has started to conclude this as well) that we are all born with some level of a "moral code" -- hence, we know Good from Evil on a subliminal level. Regardless of what these groups of people say or do to justify their actions, I don't think it can change the fact that in truth, they know what they are doing is wrong. Be it some level of fame (in their eyes), money, power...what have you, they have ultimately found a way to justify an Evil action as being right.

But at the end of the day - I believe that everyone (at least subliminally) knows that murder is wrong. My ONLY rationale behind wiping them out is to protect other innocent victims in the future, which, from a prior thread, is allowed Biblically.

Yeah that's it... The murder part. I can see this right and wrong thing when it comes to say morals like sexuality or something as long as things are consensual but murder....hmm that's different.

If someone feels right or good about suicide maybe then too but harming others I'm not sure I get that part they way strum is putting it.

 

[strummingram]

So then there is right and wrong? It's just subjective to the viewpoint of the person involved?

Yes.


No one, to themselves, does anything "wrong." They feel completely justified at the time they do it. You can obviously have regret or remorse later. But, when you do something "wrong", it feels "right" at the time you do it. Otherwise, you'd never do it!

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Yes.


No one, to themselves, does anything "wrong." They feel completely justified at the time they do it. You can obviously have regret or remorse later. But, when you do something "wrong", it feels "right" at the time you do it. Otherwise, you'd never do it!

LOL that ain't true in the slightest. I've done plenty of things I knew were wrong at the time of doing it, whether it was cheating on a girl, breaking a law, etc.

 

[Blue2010]

Yes.


No one, to themselves, does anything "wrong." They feel completely justified at the time they do it. You can obviously have regret or remorse later. But, when you do something "wrong", it feels "right" at the time you do it. Otherwise, you'd never do it!

Wow.

Whoever invented the Guilty Conscience should be swiftly kicked in the balls. They were way off-base.

 

[strummingram]

LOL that ain't true in the slightest. I've done plenty of things I knew were wrong at the time of doing it, whether it was cheating on a girl, breaking a law, etc.

And you did it anyway. You justified it. Once you justify it, it's no longer "wrong."

 

[strummingram]

Wow.

Whoever invented the Guilty Conscience should be swiftly kicked in the balls. They were way off-base.

The guilty conscience might help serve you in future situations when you're confronted with a choice that you may regret.

 

[prlyles]

Yes.


No one, to themselves, does anything "wrong." They feel completely justified at the time they do it. You can obviously have regret or remorse later. But, when you do something "wrong", it feels "right" at the time you do it. Otherwise, you'd never do it!

Sorry Strum but you're way off base on this one.

 

[Blue2010]

The guilty conscience might help serve you in future situations when you're confronted with a choice that you may regret.

Seriously???

 

[strummingram]

Seriously???

No, I'm kidding. A guilty conscience is worthless.

 

[strummingram]

Sorry Strum but you're way off base on this one.

Why are you sorry? It makes perfect sense to me.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

And you did it anyway. You justified it. Once you justify it, it's no longer "wrong."

Nope I did not justify it whatsoever lol. Sometimes the devil tempts you and you listen and do things you KNOW are wrong, but you do it because it's fun despite the wrongness of it, or you just have a moment of stupidity and do it without thinking it through. Your argument on this doesn't even hold water.

Sorry Strum but you're way off base on this one.

Thank you. Way, way off.

 

[Blue2010]

No, I'm kidding. A guilty conscience is worthless.

At least we now know where the rest of Frank Lucas' stash of Blue Magic went. Unreal, dude.

 

[tarheel0910]

This is what happens when @strummingram forgets to take his meds. He starts arguing with himself publicly.