Istanbul bombing
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I'm actually not angry at all. More disappointed than anything. I mean you could at least use something that everyone in this thread HASN'T seen 1000 times. I award you zero points for creativity.
Yeah, that's a good idea. Nice cop-out, too.
You don't have the balls to do what they will do. You have the balls to talk about it on message boards. They have the balls to set off bombs strapped to themselves. You're out-matched. You want them gone as long as someone else does the work.
Sometimes you have to get elementary to reach people.
One more time though - what you fail to realize is that there is NOTHING I could say that would get through to you. I firmly believe either you're here trying to fvck with everyone for your own amusement...or you truly (somehow) believe this nonsense. In neither of those cases do I have any semblance of belief that anything I say would be productive to this conversation. In simplistic terms - I would be wasting my time. So, that is why I have not offered any thoughtful responses.
Because as I said earlier, I'm easily amused and just seeing how far I can push you guys. Not my best effort tonight, but it's been a long day.
I dont understand what u find troubling about his post. Do u not agree that each of us forms our own beliefs on right and wrong?
You call it balls, I call it stupidity. I guess it's all relative though after all. But I'm right, and you're right I guess (however that's possible). I don't think anyone here wants them "gone" as in dead - if they're going to keep to themselves. If they wanted to go all WBC and just chant "Non-Muslims should die" but never act on it, then no one would want to see them dead. Once they start to negatively impact people who had nothing at all to do with whatever shitty life they had, that's when it becomes a problem. You say the US wars in the Middle East have bred this type of demon. Well, why do thousands of civilians, who had nothing to do with the choice to go into those wars - in many cases not even Americans, have to die as a result of the decisions of one or two Presidents?
You set the bar for your illogical arguments even higher in this thread, and for that I'm impressed. It'll be tough to top some of your gems in this thread, but thus far, you've never ceased to amaze me, so I'm sure you're cooking up something even better to be unveiled at a later date.
Well I assume you're referring to the Istanbul bombing. Generally speaking if people had a better understanding of sociology and psychology, they would have a better understanding of how people form their ideas of right and wrong.
For example, it might give you a better understand of what would lead people to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up. They're willing to bet their lives that they're doing the right thing. That should give you an idea of how subjective our ideas of right and wrong can be, and how warped those ideas can become as a result of that subjectivity.
That doesn't mean that it's impossible to reason our way to objective morality. Murder is wrong. Rape is wrong. Theft is wrong. One can easily reason those statements out to be objectively true. The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. Practically the entire M.E. is governed by religious law, and the power is concentrated in the hands of clerics. Reason could not be in any deeper of a slumber than it is in the M.E. Why is that relevant? Because it means that secular education, not predator drones and depleted uranium shells are the answer to solving the problem. Stop waging a war, and instead treat the extremists like criminals. This way you still can target them, but without the ridiculous level of collateral damage that comes with waging a full on war. Steve Hughes said it better than I can... What does war cause? Terror. So we're waging a war against the consequences of our own actions. It. never. ends.
I've read this 5 times... and, I'm still not sure exactly sure what your point is here. The bold part makes no sense to me.
Trying to "defeat" these people using violent, deadly measures is an effort in futility. 1) they are gladly ready and willing to die 2) thrive on being attacked 3) will only get stronger, more resolved, validated, and more dangerous the more you try using violence to defeat them. These people are far more committed to those measures and tactics than we are. When people are willing to blow themselves up to kill you, then you're going to have to match that resolve. Are you prepared to do that? No!
If you want more terrorism, keep trying to out-terrorize them. They'll oblige and return the favor and it will go on and on.
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I'm pretty sure the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians that were killed by American bombs and troops are thinking the same damn thing. Some estimates put it at half a million. That's well over 100 times as many people as were killed in 9/11 even by the conservative estimates. Try to picture your own reaction if that many Americans were killed, much less your own family. 99.99% of these people had nothing to do with radical Islam, much less 9/11. Why is okay for them to be killed? Why isn't that an act of terror?
Ok, I see where you're going with this - but do they want to be secularly educated anymore than they want to be bombed? I get the impression they'd laugh in your face if you tried to separate the rulers/government/laws from their religion.
Lol. Not once in that statement did I mention trying to out-terrorize them, or that we should go blow ourselves up, or anything that even remotely elicited this answer. But by all means, stay on your soap box.
Might want to try a 6th then. But I'll try to explain further. You say that the USA bombing the middle eastern countries, in a few different wars, is what has caused these people to want revenge, to have no regard for their life, etc. Well, who's decision was it to go into those wars? A few presidents - maybe with the approval/assistance of congress? How many presidents and/or congressmen were among the 3000+ killed on 9/11? How about in Brussels or Paris? Was George Bush in Ataturk airport this week? Did any of the people that died in any of those tragedies have anything at all to do with the mess that is the middle east?
My point is that maybe these psychos can actually justify blowing themselves up to kill people that they believe are the cause of their suffering and shitty way of life. But the people they're targeting had nothing to do with it.
Ok sure. If I were in that situation I would damn well want revenge, and I'd be out to kill someone too. But I'd make sure I killed the people responsible. Say it was Germany's prime minister that order a bombing of my hometown and killed all my family members. I wouldnt just see some random group of Germans (that have nothing to do with the German government, and who knows - maybe even voted against the bombing in the first place) and go and shoot them all. Or, as seems to be the case here - I wouldn't just fly to China (an unrelated country to the mess) and suicide bomb a bunch of civilians over there. That'd be stupid, lazy, and not getting revenge on the responsible parties at all.
Isn't that typically the way terrorists think though? They do not regard human life as we do, therefore, as long as they kill a bunch they are sure their point is taken.
Given the chance to come within twenty miles of a key official in this country is damn near impossible so they take what they can get and its probably why most of the recent attacks are in Europe now, easier to get to.
When Americans want revenge, we do tend to target specific people because we think differently but the result is still the same though. If you fight fire with fire, you won't get water I can assure you... You get a bigger fire!
So here seem to think these terror acts are out of revenge. Some think because we went and killed thousands of people in their country. The end game for Muslim people is to take over the world and rule it. That is why they are here now, and why they are coming everyday. They are waiting for the right moment, which will come. All throughout history the governments of strength win and rule. When the time comes when we are not strong enough to win and rule, our government and way of life will change like everyone else's did throughout the history of man. If you believe the Muslim people are a people of peace, then you have not read the Koran. The only way to keep them at bay is with strength. Knock down enough of them and they will re-build over time and rise again. You cannot stop them, only control them through their numbers. They are emboldened at this time and are in rise up mode. Strength is Power.
With all due respect, sir, that is absolutely not true. I know Muslims and they DO NOT think that way.... Terrorists think that way. I would love to know where you get that information from because I have actually had discussions with them about this and they do not support anything like that at all. They want peace just like I do.
The misinformed in this country are what we need to work on.
I don't think you could be more arcane if you tried. But, by all means, keep trying.
"The end game for Muslim people is to take over the world and rule it." You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of these people in central Europe after World War I, who thought all Jews wanted to take over the world and rule it. So, they set about a methodical, gradual system of exterminating them from Europe first, then the world.
Humans and their love and allegiance to organized religion and nationalism, may be what finally makes the species extinct.
Well here is something that you and I can agree upon. Organized religion most likely will be the downfall of life as we know it. Right now there's one organized religion that's in the lead for destruction, but others are probably just as capable if brainwashed in the same manner that this one particular religion has been.
I had to like this post not because I agree with it, but because you have over 1,400 posts and no likes. I couldn't stand by and continue to let this injustice happen.
Nationalism works just as well. My tribe is better than your tribe. My color is better than the other colors. People believing that there is more than one God, and THEIR GOD is the RIGHT GOD. It's ridiculous. Humans need to lose the sense of sight for a while and base their prejudices on sound, smell or touch, maybe.
I get a huge kick out of the irony in many of these guys' handles here. The ones that reference Dean Smith are my favorites. Dean_for_President, now dean disciple. Their attitudes and opinions are the complete antithesis of Dean Smith. It helps me understand how Christians are not reflective of Jesus Christ.
I know people who are Muslim who also SAY they want peace and believe them. But, the religion forbids them to speak out against the jihad with penalty of death.
I know some Jews who SAY they are Jews, but they fail to haul the adulterers out to the town limits and stone them to death. I guess they're not really Jews.
I am truly sorry you have allowed yourself to become suspect and afraid of Muslims. But, you chose it.
It doesn't matter where they get their ideas, no method of reason will change their minds, only strength.
Just because I liked Dean and what he represented doesn't mean I am him or agree with everything he ever did or said.
No shit! I'm not sure you liked "what he represented" except maybe the guys dribbling basketballs part.
Well, I tell you what. I will ask you, just like I asked UNC 71-00.
Would you like for me to prove that you don't have the "strength" to beat these people?
I realize this was directed towards another poaster - but I'll address it anyways. I think it's rational to be cautious (not necessarily afraid) of Muslims - just based on facts and statistics.
If I got punched in the face once a week while walking down the street, and it just so happened that the vast majority of people that punched me in the face were wearing a yellow shirt, I'd start to put two and two together and cautious when walking by people in yellow shirts. Even if the majority of people wearing yellow shirts didn't punch me, if the only people that punched me were wearing yellow shirts - it would be rational to be cautious when in the vicinity of anyone wearing a yellow shirt. Not to the point that I'd jump the gun and knock out everyone wearing a yellow shirt first - but to the point that I kept an extra close watch on the ones that did.
Yes OR when you see people in yellow shirts that are not acting at all suspicious and seem to be just a "peaceful" as you and people like yourself, just smile and carry on with your normal sunny and peaceful demeanor and 9 times out of 10 you'll get the same thing back from those people in yellow shirts.
(and for all of you that want to "Kumbaya" me over this......
I luvz uze guyzzz)
Well, "everyone wearing a yellow shirt" is not really a good comparison. But, whatever. Be cautious, be afraid, be whatever you want. If you think it serves you well to be suspect of all Muslims because some of them are unhinged, go ahead.
I will, thank you. And you can go ahead with expecting them not to hurt you, because you wouldn't hurt them.
I like our mutual understanding and that we're both willing to allow the other to take the course they want to take. Live and let live. Or well, maybe live and let die is more appropriate given your tactic.
By being cautious? I could at least hear an argument if you were saying more people would die by attacking them back. But being cautious of those that are statistically proven to be more likely to commit terrorist acts, and monitoring them closely in attempt to prevent terrorist acts - will kill more people than just being willfully ignorant to any killing they do? I just don't get the logic on that one I guess...
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