Late late stuff (Hawaii game)...

[gary-7]

...and I'll make this very quick.

- Let's get this outta the way: What a lame zebra crew. I've seen these jabronies more than I care to in local games down here --- sure hope we don't get them again in Maui.

- OK... so, I liked the effort and the fact we took a trap game serioiusly, BUT... very lazy on seeing man-and-ball in the 1st half, especially by our 4/5 guys. Fortunately, that improved MARKEDLY in the 2nd.

- Still frustrated watching our Zone Offense. JWash in particular should be a weapon in the 10-12 ft areas.

- On the other hand, JWash was a different player in the 2nd half on defense and rebounding. Really stepped up vs their bulky Big. Also liked the delayed doubles we deployed.

- Much better tonight on not forcing in transition (kudos to Seth for giving up the rock), all the while we were being appropriately aggressive taking it to the rack and running after made shots.

- Want to see more Tyson, and earlier.

- RJ played much more in the flow this time.

- Finally, any more questions as to who drives this team? The difference when EC being in or not is, well, striking. He is exactly what I told y'all he was when we signed him.

Anyway, good warm-up for the most loaded Maui Invitational field ever. Hopefully we come outta the gate a tad stronger Monday and keep the intensity going...

 

[Heels5150]

Someone needs to talk to whoever is responsible for keeping the official stats. Cadeau has been screwed out of his assist total in every game this year.

Rebounding and reaching in fouls are definetely areas that needs to be addressed in tomorrows practice

RJ passed up a lot of good looks from the outside.

IMO Ian and Drake needed more playing time in the second half. RJ should have sat for another 5-7 game minute’s tonight

Withers was so frustrated tonight that it affected his whole game on both sides of the ball. He alone took himself out of the game mentally. He had a terrible game all the way around.

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

Besides finding teammates with nifty assists, Elliot’s drives to the basket are the aspect of
his game that make him unique. Right hand, left hand; it doesn’t matter, he’s getting to that rim.
Seth has been so steady and effective on both ends of the floor that he’s becoming indispensable.

RJ had a great game, which is our expectation after watching him in his fifth season.
He probably won’t surpass Psycho T on the all-time scoring list, but it won’t be for lack
of effort. He is a five-star baller, full stop. Both Capt. Jack and Drake are dynamic athletes
and deserve more time on the floor and Cade was very effective; he’s figuring things out. 😁
Jalen’s role on the team needs to expand offensively by getting him jump shots along the
baseline.

The rebounding differential kept the Rainbows in the game; that’s an area of concern for the rest
of the Maui trip and needs to be addressed. Hubert is utilizing a variety of lineups to highlight
our depth and wear down the opposition. It is our biggest strength and affords us our best chance to
be successful this season.

GDTBATH 🏀⛹🏾‍♂️

 

[heels05champs]

I’m still shocked at the lack of using JWash for that mid range jumper, especially against a zone defense. He could be really effective in those situations, hitting that free throw line jumper.

 

[gary-7]

Someone needs to talk to whoever is responsible for keeping the official stats. Cadeau has been screwed out of his assist total in every game this year.

^That's the damned truth. He had 5 dimes, and just as clear-cut as you could get.
That stuff matters when it comes to things like the Cousy.

 

[TarHeelMark]

EC is ELITE! The Heels are so much better when he is on the floor.

I love how aggressive EC, Seth, RJ, Ian are attacking the rim and getting to the line. We've seen so many teams do that to us over the years that its wonderful to see when its the Heels being the aggressor.

Hawaii had some nice players, but dang we shouldn't be getting outrebounded by 13 (15 - 5 on the offensive glass!). Hopefully JWit was just in a body clock funk or something, and will look better in the Maui.

 

[gthreadgill7929]

EC, EC, EC. That dude is a bad, bad man. He is becoming a force in transition. Distributor, enforcer, and attacker. I really hoped we’d get another year from him but it’s looking less and less likely as the season progresses.

 

[DSouthr]

The refs for this game...absolutely awful, folks come to and watch these games to see the players play not refs working out their whistle tweets. If you go by the letter of the rule book you can call a foul on basically EVERY single possession and it seemed like last night they tried to prove that, touch foul call after touch foul call on BOTH teams. If we had a NCAA worth their pay checks this would be handled but it won't be.

As for the rest of the game, the portion where the refs allowed the players to play, went as I expected, could tell the time difference was a problem for us, like we were a half a step slower than normal. Didn't expect us to jump shoot great.l I felt RJ played his best game so far, he was much more in the flow of the offense, don't recall his forcing a bad shot, good to see.

There is a radical difference in this team between when Cadeau is on the floor and when he isn't, it is like night and day. Him in the game the pace instantly ramps up, all the sudden we get lay ups and dunks, and a LEAD! Jack looked good last night, he may have been our only guard who didn't seem effected by the time difference or the long flight time. Drake, love his game but for right now he seems to be playing at 59mph where maybe at times he needs to be at 55mph (meaning he is still rushing a little bit), form on his jumper is to nice to keep on missing those jumpers.

I think between the time difference and the long flight, body clock, refs quick whistles, JWash and JWit seemed a little off their games, especially JWit. Lubin, once again, solid/effective blue collar minutes. I did want to see James Brown for some of those minutes where we had Claude in. Seth to me looked a little bit off as well but his being so wiling to drive really stresses a defense.

WE need to figure out how to play against a zone, we now have on tape that we have struggled with zones in a couple games so that means we will begin to see a lot more zone played against us. The solution I see is that Jwash has to step to the middle soft spot and be ready and willing to pull the trigger on that jumper with JWit charging the short corner.


As the poor announcers did share, this game should be good for us, should allow us to acclimate to the time difference better than other teams that did not have a warm up game. Hopefully we will have a good practice tomorrow, we did not have a good practice prior to this game last night.

 

[gthreadgill7929]

The refs for this game...absolutely awful, folks come to and watch these games to see the players play not refs working out their whistle tweets. If you go by the letter of the rule book you can call a foul on basically EVERY single possession and it seemed like last night they tried to prove that, touch foul call after touch foul call on BOTH teams. If we had a NCAA worth their pay checks this would be handled but it won't be.

The best way I can compare is like playing in your local rec league. You couldn’t set a screen, you couldn’t pump fake, you couldn’t play defense.

Anybody who didn’t stay up to watch, I highly discourage watching it because it was ugly as all hell.

 

[al would]

FT shooting continues to be an over all positive.

Hubert can look in the mirror for the reason for a crappy first half as there was absolutely no reason to keep EC on the bench that much in the first half as everyone on that team benefits from the experience and PT they get together (with him). Cade got some decent run but like G said he could have stood a little more.

UNC has got to Wash more involved offensively !!! DGAF how or where but a better effort needs to be made in that aspect.

This team has some quality depth but .... what and who make up the best rotations is still a project. Drake, Cap and Cade are still climbing the learning/comfort curve and I bet this team will look a lot more polished with hopefully a tighter and more predictable rotation after Christmas.

Rebounding just plain sucked.

Any win is a good win but one on the road is a bonus. GO HEELS !

 

[gary-7]

EC, EC, EC. That dude is a bad, bad man. He is becoming a force in transition. Distributor, enforcer, and attacker. I really hoped we’d get another year from him but it’s looking less and less likely as the season progresses.

And BTW, EC's 5 (not 4) Assists:
(1st half)
*Skip-pass to RJ for 3
(2nd half)
*Roll dime to JWash for layup
*Cross-court to Seth for 3
*Fast-break ahead to Seth for dunk-and-1
*Transition sideline pitch-ahead to Tyson for 3

 

[gthreadgill7929]

And BTW, EC's 5 (not 4) Assists:
(1st half)
*Skip-pass to RJ for 3
(2nd half)
*Roll dime to JWash for layup
*Cross-court to Seth for 3
*Fast-break ahead to Seth for dunk-and-1
*Transition sideline pitch-ahead to Tyson for 3

K Butter?

 

[worthy is the best]

...and I'll make this very quick.

- Let's get this outta the way: What a lame zebra crew. I've seen these jabronies more than I care to in local games down here --- sure hope we don't get them again in MauWILL

...and I'll make this very quick.

- Let's get this outta the way: What a lame zebra crew. I've seen these jabronies more than I care to in local games down here --- sure hope we don't get them again in Maui.

- OK... so, I liked the effort and the fact we took a trap game serioiusly, BUT... very lazy on seeing man-and-ball in the 1st half, especially by our 4/5 guys. Fortunately, that improved MARKEDLY in the 2nd.

- Still frustrated watching our Zone Offense. JWash in particular should be a weapon in the 10-12 ft areas.

- On the other hand, JWash was a different player in the 2nd half on defense and rebounding. Really stepped up vs their bulky Big. Also liked the delayed doubles we deployed.

- Much better tonight on not forcing in transition (kudos to Seth for giving up the rock), all the while we were being appropriately aggressive taking it to the rack and running after made shots.

- Want to see more Tyson, and earlier.

- RJ played much more in the flow this time.

- Finally, any more questions as to who drives this team? The difference when EC being in or not is, well, striking. He is exactly what I told y'all he was when we signed him.

Anyway, good warm-up for the most loaded Maui Invitational field ever. Hopefully we come outta the gate a tad stronger Monday and keep the intensity going...

Loved watching EC from the start. I smile when they fastbreak with EC with the ball. If stays three or four years will become my second favorite player ever. He has no shot in hates of becoming my favorite. That gazelle from Gastonia will live in my head forever until my passing.

 

[worthy is the best]

Loved watching EC from the start. I smile when they fastbreak with EC with the ball. If stays three or four years will become my second favorite player ever. He has no shot in hates of becoming my favorite. That gazelle from Gastonia will live in my head forever until my passing.

Gary I am new on posting but tar heel forever. My name is Patrick. In order your top five best UNC players and explain to me why so and so is your favorite player.

 

[DSouthr]

Loved watching EC from the start. I smile when they fastbreak with EC with the ball. If stays three or four years will become my second favorite player ever. He has no shot in hates of becoming my favorite. That gazelle from Gastonia will live in my head forever until my passing.

Yeah, but there was this kid from Rocky Mount...

 

[gary-7]

Gary I am new on posting but tar heel forever. My name is Patrick. In order your top five best UNC players and explain to me why so and so is your favorite player.

Not asking much, huh?
I'll just go with Dean's advice and start with Phil, and then pick your faves...

 

[sdingeldein]

Love your posts but can't get past the Mo face. Curly would be better.

 

[gary-7]

Love your posts but can't get past the Mo face. Curly would be better.

Moe is the enforcer --- a much-needed entity on the interwebs...

 

[Rabidfrog]

Random Own Up:

I need to give RJ his props — While I have loved having him on the team and appreciate his greatness… I have also dogged his passing from day one. He has never been a great passer (particularly entry passes).
This year, he seems to be better and more willing passer than I have seen. He has already had a handful of VERY nice “lead the cutter” passes this year. I admit to being impressed with growth in fifth year 💪

 

[gary-7]

Random Own Up:

I need to give RJ his props — While I have loved having him on the team and appreciate his greatness… I have also dogged his passing from day one. He has never been a great passer (particularly entry passes).
This year, he seems to be better and more willing passer than I have seen. He has already had a handful of VERY nice “lead the cutter” passes this year. I admit to being impressed with growth in fifth year 💪

Yep. and playing with a savant like EC in practice can't hurt...

 

[al would]

I need to give RJ his props — While I have loved having him on the team and appreciate his greatness… I have also dogged his passing from day one

I actually like Seth backing up EC more than RJ. Seth is starting to show some point guardish chops on occasion and that is his natural next level position. He is also a much better defensive player as well as being way more athletic. jmo

 

[worthy is the best]

Not asking much, huh?
I'll just go with Dean's advice and start with Phil, and then pick your faves...

Geez Gary I give you a simple question and you screwed it up. After every game I read your analysis for things to learn. Been watching since 1981 like a hawk devour every second and still learn from you. Can not explain that in my head. Fell in love with two people in 1981. Coach and 52. Loved Bird in nba finals and would be ticked that 52 was killing my boy. One night I screamed at tv and said worthy I love your game but knock it off.

 

[worthy is the best]

Yeah, but there was this kid from Rocky Mount...

Touche. Another kid from Wilmington I think also. Help me out from where was brad Daugherty from black something should remember.

 

[alabamaheel]

I actually like Seth backing up EC more than RJ. Seth is starting to show some point guardish chops on occasion and that is his natural next level position. He is also a much better defensive player as well as being way more athletic. jmo

lol he didn’t saying anything about his pg skills or who should be playing pg. you and Gary are horrible. U can’t pass up trashing RJ and Gary can’t pass up licking ECs lollipop.

 

[gary-7]

lol he didn’t saying anything about his pg skills or who should be playing pg. you and Gary are horrible. U can’t pass up trashing RJ and Gary can’t pass up licking ECs lollipop.

Seriously? GMAFB with that crap.

 

[alabamaheel]

Seriously? GMAFB with that crap.

Truth hurts. His comment has zero to do with EC. But that’s ok. U have your guy it just gets old especially at the whole teams expense.

 

[DSouthr]

Touche. Another kid from Wilmington I think also. Help me out from where was brad Daugherty from black something should remember.

Black Mountain

 

[alabamaheel]

Black Mountain

From my hs. Good family

 

[gary-7]

Truth hurts. His comment has zero to do with EC. But that’s ok. U have your guy it just gets old especially at the whole teams expense.

My ass --- not one single ounce of "truth" in that pile o' sh**.

I've never said anything about EC that wasn't spot-on true, and let the record show I have indeed critiqued him when warranted.

And let the record further show that (for example) I TOLD this board exactly what we had in Butter and Berry (before they even signed here) and most recently the same for Cadeau. Because the actual truth is, I know a thing or two about this stuff --- especially PG play --- and I still have connections in the coaching and AAU ranks and I make a point of keeping up with what's out there vis-a-vis UNC. I have been happy to share that information, as well as my takes on games, for folks here who enjoy it.

Disagree with my take? --- fine, that's why they're called "takes" --- but do not EVER accuse me of distorting my information and analysis because a pleyer is "my guy", or that pointing up objective positives about EC's play is somehow "at the whole team's expense". Again, GMAFB.

TBH, in this case it sounds more like a "you" problem, as you apparently think "your guy" (RJ) is being slighted. So, one last time, let the record show that what I have (quite accurately) said about RJ this season is that he faces a challenge of adjusting his role now the Eliot has the keys ---which includes adjusting to a different "flow" than we saw last season --- and that ain't easy. To his credit, we are starting to see that adjustment --- and @Rabidfrog was correct about his improved passing --- because RJ is a terrific player and not the sort of guy to rest on his laurels.

 

[montana_heel]

Gotta agree, Daugherty seems like the most under the radar player ever. A big part of that is him. Just easy going, put your head down and work. Nothing flashy. Great player.

 

[alabamaheel]

My ass --- not one a single ounce of "truth" in that pile o' sh**.

I've never said anything about EC that wasn't spot-on true, and let the record show I have indeed critiqued him when warranted.

And let the record further show that (for example) I TOLD this board exactly what we had in Butter and Berry (before they even signed here) and most recently the same for Cadeau. Because the actual truth is, I know a thing or two about this stuff --- especially PG play --- and I still have connections in the coaching and AAU ranks and I make a point of keeping up with what's out there vis-a-vis UNC. I have been happy to share that information, as well as my takes on games, for folks here who enjoy it.

Disagree with my take? --- fine, that's why they're called "takes" --- but do not EVER accuse me of distorting my information and analysis because a pleyer is "my guy", or that pointing up objective positives about EC's play is somehow "at the whole team's expense". Again, GMAFB.

TBH, in this case it sounds more like a "you" problem, as you apparently think "your guy" (RJ) is being slighted. So, one last time, let the record show that what I have (quite accurately) said about RJ this season is that he faces a challenge of adjusting his role now the Eliot has the keys ---which includes adjusting to a different "flow" than we saw last season --- and that ain't easy. To his credit, we are starting to see that adjustment --- and @Rabidfrog was correct about his improved passing --- because RJ is a terrific player and not the sort of guy to rest on his laurels.

Easy buddy. Not anywhere did I say you posted untruths about a player. The comment made from the poster had to do with giving RJ props for something. Instead you had to say something about EC. As I stated he’s your guy, and a dang good one but there’s not a person alive that can be right besides you on this board. I never said that you distorted anything, but it’s kind of interesting when EC picks up two quick files and someone else has to run the team or do something that he should’ve been on the court doing, it’s never good enough. Instead of saying you gotta stop reaching or move your feet better it’s always the refs were not good , there’s something happened to EC that wasn’t fairly called. And once again that’s OK too. And for your information, I don’t have to give you a break you give yourself plenty. Btw, read your last paragraph. That’s a great response to rabidfrogs post.

I do apologize for getting off track. And really not even trying to be a tail hole just an observation that I’ve seen for years. I do love your analysis of the game and I’ve learned some things from.

 

[gary-7]

Appreciate the last statement, but again for the record, I did call out Eliot's footwork last season --- specifically said he should sit down with a Joel Berry film marathon for instruction --- and that he needed to learn to avoid the giveaway fouls, but there were also indeed some instances in which he was getting the freshman "treatment" by the zebras. As with most things, it was nuanced.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I especially hated one call I watched multiple times. The block/charge call was a bang-bang judgement so I have no problem, but the one where he slid his feet perfectly and forced his man to turn sideways, redirecting him from the lane toward the ice was perfect until the phantom whistle!

 

[al would]

lol he didn’t saying anything about his pg skills or who should be playing pg. you and Gary are horrible. U can’t pass up trashing RJ and Gary can’t pass up licking ECs lollipop.

And you can't stop licking RJ's. Frog said about RJ "I have also dogged his passing from day one." And I said I'd rather see Seth spell EC at pg, and that has nothing to do with the rest of the team and everything to do with my opinion.

And if you look at it objectively in this season:

RJ - 21 of 61 (34%) from 2 and 7 of 31 (23%) from 3 with 18 assist as the primary back-up for EC.

Seth - 18 of 37 (49%) from 2 and 6 of 10 (60%) from 3 with 8 assist and Seth is playing as a small 3 most of the time and has played VERY LITTLE pg this season. Seth also has a better FT%, which is amazing, and more boards in less minutes.

Seth is also a plus defender that is more athletic and at 6'3 plays more like 6'5+ and RJ is a marginal defender that is maybe 6' and plays there.

I sincerely hope RJ gets his groove back but so far he has been trying to hard to do to much and that is hurting the development of this team and that's on Hubert. That's also one of the reasons I cringed when RJ decided to come back. He had 4 years with his group and he should have moved on just like Bacot because the likely reason they returned to college was because that was their best $$ option because they weren't good enough for a higher level of play ... and that is selfish as hell and unfair to the incoming and sophs and I would have loved to see this years team without RJ.

Barring unforeseen injuries I do not see RJ Davis being the player that makes this team click or roll in Jan./ Feb./ or March this year as he is not one of the best 5 UNC can put on the floor at this time. Biggest question is will it be Coach Davis or hubcap that once again tries to ride another legacy player to an untimely NCAAT exit (again).

jmo

 

[2DDIMOND]

And you can't stop licking RJ's. Frog said about RJ "I have also dogged his passing from day one." And I said I'd rather see Seth spell EC at pg, and that has nothing to do with the rest of the team and everything to do with my opinion.

And if you look at it objectively in this season:

RJ - 21 of 61 (34%) from 2 and 7 of 31 (23%) from 3 with 18 assist as the primary back-up for EC.

Seth - 18 of 37 (49%) from 2 and 6 of 10 (60%) from 3 with 8 assist and Seth is playing as a small 3 most of the time and has played VERY LITTLE pg this season. Seth also has a better FT%, which is amazing, and more boards in less minutes.

Seth is also a plus defender that is more athletic and at 6'3 plays more like 6'5+ and RJ is a marginal defender that is maybe 6' and plays there.

I sincerely hope RJ gets his groove back but so far he has been trying to hard to do to much and that is hurting the development of this team and that's on Hubert. That's also one of the reasons I cringed when RJ decided to come back. He had 4 years with his group and he should have moved on just like Bacot because the likely reason they returned to college was because that was their best $$ option because they weren't good enough for a higher level of play ... and that is selfish as hell and unfair to the incoming and sophs and I would have loved to see this years team without RJ.

Barring unforeseen injuries I do not see RJ Davis being the player that makes this team click or roll in Jan./ Feb./ or March this year as he is not one of the best 5 UNC can put on the floor at this time. Biggest question is will it be Coach Davis or hubcap that once again tries to ride another legacy player to an untimely NCAAT exit (again).

jmo

Was definitely going to like this post until you said RJ is not one of the best 5 we can put on the floor. He’s definitely that, but you are 100% correct in that he may be hurting this team thinking he has to do what he did last year. He doesn’t, & hopefully he, & more importantly Hubert, can figure that out, sooner rather than later.

 

[al would]

Was definitely going to like this post until you said RJ is not one of the best 5 we can put on the floor.

Finish the sentence .. I said "at this time" and I'll stand by that simply based on stats and what I see. I think Seth is also a much better 2 than RJ .. at this time. Tell me where I'm wrong or what I'm missing. Ball don't lie. RJ is struggling.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Finish the sentence .. I said "at this time" and I'll stand by that simply based on stats and what I see. I think Seth is also a much better 2 than RJ .. at this time. Tell me where I'm wrong or what I'm missing. Ball don't lie. RJ is struggling.

RJ is struggling, but in no universe is he not one of our top 5 guys “we can put on the floor at this time”

 

[worthy is the best]

RJ is struggling, but in no universe is he not one of our top 5 guys “we can put on the floor at this time”

I will get lambasted for this. I can see the immense potential in Powell already shows more athletic ability than Trimble. However Powell needs to quit being too nice when playing. If he has open five footer tonight tomahawk the damn thing. If it costs me losing a year of him that is fine. You may be here only one year bring it and this dude will be smiling. Give me the statue of liberty worthy dunk .

 

[Ozheelfan]

every few years we have the same old crap: “gary is disrespecting so-and-so in favour of his ‘chosen-one’”
And yet, when you actually read what he writes, it’s all true.
There’s no denying, RJ is a great Tar Heel and a big time scorer - as he was in HS, but he does not have point guard instincts to impact the tempo and flow of the game.
Yes, he gets assists, and many of them are drive and dish style, when he is attacking from a position of strength, and that is where he works best, getting the ball in the front court after someone else has brought it over half way.
Sadly, true point guards who control tempo are getting rarer these days. The NBA doesn’t need or want them. But they still can thrive in college and EC fits that bill perfectly.
Does Gary go over the top? Marginally in my view. But what’s worse is that he can’t let the nitpicking go, and he reacts to the crap said about him.
I don’t know what the beef is, he says what he thinks, you either like it or don’t. Easy…

 

[2DDIMOND]

Without RJ we are 2-2 with a devastating loss to Elon. With him we are 3-1.