Late stuff (dook game - ACCT)...

[gary-7]

...and I'm still sick to my stomach for JWit, so that's all I'm gonna say about that part.

- OK... I'm gonna vent out some stuff right here: I watched a good bit of ball today, including the SEC tourney, and even before we took the floor I was already thoroughly disgusted at ESPN's constant anti-UNC drum-beating --- and I'm talking all f***ing day, including showing every UNC lowlight they could dig up. It is, and has continually been, thoroughly unprofessional and a disservice to viewers. So, to every damn one of you has-been jabronies at that joke of a network --- and that includes Bilas, Dykes, Crean, and the lot --- GFYs... and I mean that both figuratively and literally.

- On that note, it's pretty damned sad when you can't see replays of great plays (or godawful calls) because BSPN has to get in their (seemingly obligatory) Cooper Flagg bench shots at every damn opportunity. And do NOT try to hand me that bullsh** about Flagg being out. Truth be known, dook is more efficient without him (and their numbers show it, BTW) --- they are loaded with depth and TBH they move the ball better, so yeah... take that nonsense and flush it.

- OK, with that (sort of) outta the way, let me start with some critiques on our end:
First, good grief, we could not hit the broad side of a barn from 3. And I'm talking WIDE OPEN looks (but of course the ESPN narrative will be dook's "smothering defense"), not to mention the missed FTs (although I'm sure their defense will somehow get credit for that as well )
Second, to our staff, when we're in 20 vs dook, we can't afford to let RJ or Ian get stuck on Knipple. Also, when you brought Eliot back in the 1st half with 2 fouls, why not go Zone? It discombobulated them last time and it protects your most important player, and I'll flat guarantee you they wouldn't have gone on that run in the last 4 minutes that put us down 21.
Third, WTH was Frederick doing drawing up the last play --- Lebo is the X-and-O guy --- and you know they're gonna up/down switch there, so why not start with an inversion and get RJ popping up on the backside?
And fourth, we KNOW they're gonna run that curl/roll lob action after dead balls. VAL, you gotta anticipate and get your ass into their Big's knees ahead of the pass.

- With that said, to Mr. Lubin, you played like a grown-ass man vs their size. And in fact, we came back by ATTACKING them in the paint, and/or hitting the offensive glass, so don't feel bad about the FT miss.

- This was a high-character vintage Dean Smith comeback, and we're talking from 24 down in 16 minutes.

- On that note, you don't back down to bullies. Make no mistake, this dook bunch is every bit as dirty as the Rat's worst, but they don't react well to having the ball shoved down their throats --- and that's what we did in the comeback. Some of those finishes by Seth and Drake were epic. And perhaps thanks to the zebra crew getting well-deserved dressing-downs from Hubert (and our players), we finally got the and-1 calls (the AWFUL goaltending overturn notwithstanding). With that said, the one foul I wish they wouldn't have called was the last one, as little RJ had the tip-in for the lead, wouldn't ya know...

- On that note though, let's call it straight: The zebras changed the game early. EC might --- and I reiterate MIGHT --- have actually committed one of those "fouls". So don't anybody dare come on here and blame him for that crap --- he got f***ed over worse than Ned Beatty on a canoe trip --- and yes, it changed the game. Just for an example, before his 4th "foul", Evans pushed him with both hands (right in front of the ref), and then Knipple did the exact same thing --- but nothing called -- but when Eliot then beats Knipple to the spot to cut off a drive, he gets whistled for a phantom foul. Unreal.

- And speaking of that, here's WHY it changed the game: As I posted last time (and whoever (probably a dookie troll) reacted with a "ha-ha" emoji to that can suck balls), dook doesn't have a PG, and there is literally nobody on that roster who can guard Eliot. As you saw tonight, he could get anywhere he wants anytime he wants and he carved their asses up. But with him out, they could just blitz RJ and the offense stalled unless RJ could pull off a circus shot (which he did a couple of times).

- Finally, for anyone who still doesn't understand why EC is the necessary lynchpin of this team, both now and going forward, I don't know what else to tell ya. I mean sure, despite the zebra-f***ing tonight, 15 pts, 6 dimes, a couple of steals, a blocked 3, a blocked lob and a forced TO on Knipple down the stretch, but... it shouldn't take that to see what should be the obvious, TBH.

Anyway, I'm gonna close this one in no uncertain terms. I've watched a LOT of college hoops this season --- including the SEC up close on several occasions --- and if UNC gets left out of the Dance, they might as well just start doing random drawings out of a damn hat. As I said before, this team has closed strong and can beat anybody, and I'd really like to see Hubert and our PTBs, as well as our fans and media types, stop twith he hang-dogging and be more outspoken about it. I said it and I stand by it --- we should be in the NCAAT this time next week...

 

[gkss]

...and I'm still sick to my stomach for JWit, so that's all I'm gonna say about that part.

- OK... I'm gonna vent out some stuff right here: I watched a good bit of ball today, including the SEC tourney, and even before we took the floor I was already thoroughly disgusted at ESPN's constant anti-UNC drum-beating --- and I'm talking all f***ing day, including showing every UNC lowlight they could dig up. It is, and has continually been, thoroughly unprofessional and a disservice to viewers. So, to every damn one of you has-been jabronies at that joke of a network --- and that includes Bilas, Dykes, Crean, and the lot --- GFYs... and I mean that both figuratively and literally.

- On that note, it's pretty damned sad when you can't see replays of great plays (or godawful calls) because BSPN has to get in their (seemingly obligatory) Cooper Flagg bench shots at every damn opportunity. And do NOT try to hand me that bullsh** about Flagg being out. Truth be known, dook is more efficient without him (and their numbers show it, BTW) --- they are loaded with depth and TBH they move the ball better, so yeah... take that nonsense and flush it.

- OK, with that (sort of) outta the way, let me start with some critiques on our end:
First, good grief, we could not hit the broad side of a barn from 3. And I'm talking WIDE OPEN looks (but of course the ESPN narrative will be dook's "smothering defense"), not to mention the missed FTs (although I'm sure their defense will somehow get credit for that as well )
Second, to our staff, when we're in 20 vs dook, we can't afford to let RJ or Ian get stuck on Knipple. Also, when you brought Eliot back in the 1st half with 2 fouls, why not go Zone? It discombobulated them last time and it protects your most important player, and I'll flat guarantee you they wouldn't have gone on that run in the last 4 minutes that put us down 21.
Third, WTH was Frederick doing drawing up the last play --- Lebo is the X-and-O guy --- and you know they're gonna up/down switch there, so why not start with an inversion and get RJ popping up on the backside?
And fourth, we KNOW they're gonna run that curl/roll lob action after dead balls. VAL, you gotta anticipate and get your ass into their Big's knees ahead of the pass.

- With that said, to Mr. Lubin, you played like a grown-ass man vs their size. And in fact, we came back by ATTACKING them in the paint, and/or hitting the offensive glass, so don't feel bad about the FT miss.

- This was a high-character vintage Dean Smith comeback, and we're talking from 24 down in 16 minutes.

- On that note, you don't back down to bullies. Make no mistake, this dook bunch is every bit as dirty as the Rat's worst, but they don't react well to having the ball shoved down their throats --- and that's what we did in the comeback. Some of those finishes by Seth and Drake were epic. And perhaps thanks to the zebra crew getting well-deserved dressing-downs from Hubert (and our players), we finally got the and-1 calls (the AWFUL goaltending overturn notwithstanding). With that said, the one foul I wish they wouldn't have called was the last one, as little RJ had the tip-in for the lead, wouldn't ya know...

- On that note though, let's call it straight: The zebras changed the game early. EC might --- and I reiterate MIGHT --- have actually committed one of those "fouls". So don't anybody dare come on here and blame him for that crap --- he got f***ed over worse than Ned Beatty on a canoe trip --- and yes, it changed the game. Just for an example, before his 4th "foul", Evans pushed him with both hands (right in front of the ref), and then Knipple did the exact same thing --- but nothing called -- but when Eliot then beats Knipple to the spot to cut off a drive, he gets whistled for a phantom foul. Unreal.

- And speaking of that, here's WHY it changed the game: As I posted last time (and whoever (probably a dookie troll) reacted with a "ha-ha" emoji to that can suck balls), dook doesn't have a PG, and there is literally nobody on that roster who can guard Eliot. As you saw tonight, he could get anywhere he wants anytime he wants and he carved their asses up. But with him out, they could just blitz RJ and the offense stalled unless RJ could pull off a circus shot (which he did a couple of times).

- Finally, for anyone who still doesn't understand why EC is the necessary lynchpin of this team, both now and going forward, I don't know what else to tell ya. I mean sure, despite the zebra-f***ing tonight, 15 pts, 6 dimes, a couple of steals, a blocked 3, a blocked lob and a forced TO on Knipple down the stretch, but... it shouldn't take that to see what should be the obvious, TBH.

Anyway, I'm gonna close this one in no uncertain terms. I've watched a LOT of college hoops this season --- including the SEC up close on several occasions --- and if UNC gets left out of the Dance, they might as well just start doing random drawings out of a damn hat. As I said before, this team has closed strong and can beat anybody, and I'd really like to see Hubert and our PTBs, as well as our fans and media types, stop twith he hang-dogging and be more outspoken about it. I said it and I stand by it --- we should be in the NCAAT this time next week…

Thanks for the analysis gary-7.

 

[sdingeldein]

Agreed with every point.

 

[JovialMuse]

One of the most heart-breaking endings I can remember in my 30+ years watching UNC basketball. Just unreal. While I agree this team is vastly different than before mid February, I doubt the selection committee is going to just act as though Nov through Feb 15th didn't happen. It did. This late game comeback & meltdown is a microcosm of the whole season. Early season through mid-season this team was a parade of mediocrity, and now in the 2nd half they've finally started playing like the talent the roster clearly has. But too little too late, I think. I hope I'm wrong. Don't think 1-12 in Q1 gets it done. Quad/NET system is complete BS but it's the system that's used.

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

To those on another thread who are critical of Jae’Lyn and his late mistake- congratulations
on being F\/CKING perfect. Now go find another team to support.
Thank you, Geth, for calling them out.

Honestly, and l mean it- Elliot gets more phantom foul calls than any player in argyle l have ever
seen since l walked on campus as a freshman in 1973.
Bumps, tricky-tacks, touches, DIDN’T EVEN TOUCH HIM, not giving a shooter a place to land, you
name it.
And it affects out team’s performance drastically because that dude CAN get to the rim and isn’t
afraid to try. He involves his teammates and sets them up for scores.
He makes errors and is far from perfect, but he has been abused by the stripes all season.
IMO, we win last night if the whistles don’t find him and bench him.
Watch the replays on these “fouls”. So often, zero or minimal contact by Elliot. While meanwhile,
Proctor and Knueppel have mastered the fine dookie art of pushing off to create space. They each had two fouls
in 72 minutes.

I hope North Carolina is chosen on the Selection Show. I want to see our players explode out of their chairs on Sunday night. A game or two (or more) to put this loss behind them is what these players deserve.

 

[Geth]

Almost worse than the Rivers dagger at the buzzer years back as we had battled so hard and were on the verge of possibly overcoming them.

I know all the bullshit bracketology points to all of our missed opportunities and quad 1 losses but the last several weeks should count for something... the team we are now not then.

I think it's possible we'd be a final 8 team based on recent form alone... maybe I need some of those delusion meds now.

 

[Indy_Heel]

Almost worse than the Rivers dagger at the buzzer years back as we had battled so hard and were on the verge of possibly overcoming them.

I know all the bullshit bracketology points to all of our missed opportunities and quad 1 losses but the last several weeks should count for something... the team we are now not then.

I think it's possible we'd be a final 8 team based on recent form alone... maybe I need some of those delusion meds now.

The selection committee used to look at the last 10 games, I don’t think they do anymore… which makes no sense.

 

[dtodd4475]

Got bullied in the 1st half, whipped solid. Down 20 plus, and battled tooth and nail to a one possession game. Plenty of fight.

EC and Lubin were great. EC silly fouls early reared it's head again, but the kid played BIG. Lubin undersized dramatically, was just a force throughout. Huge performances.

I wondered aloud on the last play why Lubin was in though, needing a three look? Sure enough he got the rock behind the arc.

Withers error was egregious, but I subscribe to the old adage "pay attention to who is with you after you lose much more than who wants to be with you after you win". Keep your head up big fella.

Gotta hope no bid stealers out of the blue, out west mainly, and that the non conference scheduling, which is usually a big bubble factor in who gets the nod over other similar bubble teams such as Indiana, Xavier, and Texas is enough to get an invite. Could go either way.

 

[Indy_Heel]

...and I'm still sick to my stomach for JWit, so that's all I'm gonna say about that part.

- OK... I'm gonna vent out some stuff right here: I watched a good bit of ball today, including the SEC tourney, and even before we took the floor I was already thoroughly disgusted at ESPN's constant anti-UNC drum-beating --- and I'm talking all f***ing day, including showing every UNC lowlight they could dig up. It is, and has continually been, thoroughly unprofessional and a disservice to viewers. So, to every damn one of you has-been jabronies at that joke of a network --- and that includes Bilas, Dykes, Crean, and the lot --- GFYs... and I mean that both figuratively and literally.

- On that note, it's pretty damned sad when you can't see replays of great plays (or godawful calls) because BSPN has to get in their (seemingly obligatory) Cooper Flagg bench shots at every damn opportunity. And do NOT try to hand me that bullsh** about Flagg being out. Truth be known, dook is more efficient without him (and their numbers show it, BTW) --- they are loaded with depth and TBH they move the ball better, so yeah... take that nonsense and flush it.

- OK, with that (sort of) outta the way, let me start with some critiques on our end:
First, good grief, we could not hit the broad side of a barn from 3. And I'm talking WIDE OPEN looks (but of course the ESPN narrative will be dook's "smothering defense"), not to mention the missed FTs (although I'm sure their defense will somehow get credit for that as well )
Second, to our staff, when we're in 20 vs dook, we can't afford to let RJ or Ian get stuck on Knipple. Also, when you brought Eliot back in the 1st half with 2 fouls, why not go Zone? It discombobulated them last time and it protects your most important player, and I'll flat guarantee you they wouldn't have gone on that run in the last 4 minutes that put us down 21.
Third, WTH was Frederick doing drawing up the last play --- Lebo is the X-and-O guy --- and you know they're gonna up/down switch there, so why not start with an inversion and get RJ popping up on the backside?
And fourth, we KNOW they're gonna run that curl/roll lob action after dead balls. VAL, you gotta anticipate and get your ass into their Big's knees ahead of the pass.

- With that said, to Mr. Lubin, you played like a grown-ass man vs their size. And in fact, we came back by ATTACKING them in the paint, and/or hitting the offensive glass, so don't feel bad about the FT miss.

- This was a high-character vintage Dean Smith comeback, and we're talking from 24 down in 16 minutes.

- On that note, you don't back down to bullies. Make no mistake, this dook bunch is every bit as dirty as the Rat's worst, but they don't react well to having the ball shoved down their throats --- and that's what we did in the comeback. Some of those finishes by Seth and Drake were epic. And perhaps thanks to the zebra crew getting well-deserved dressing-downs from Hubert (and our players), we finally got the and-1 calls (the AWFUL goaltending overturn notwithstanding). With that said, the one foul I wish they wouldn't have called was the last one, as little RJ had the tip-in for the lead, wouldn't ya know...

- On that note though, let's call it straight: The zebras changed the game early. EC might --- and I reiterate MIGHT --- have actually committed one of those "fouls". So don't anybody dare come on here and blame him for that crap --- he got f***ed over worse than Ned Beatty on a canoe trip --- and yes, it changed the game. Just for an example, before his 4th "foul", Evans pushed him with both hands (right in front of the ref), and then Knipple did the exact same thing --- but nothing called -- but when Eliot then beats Knipple to the spot to cut off a drive, he gets whistled for a phantom foul. Unreal.

- And speaking of that, here's WHY it changed the game: As I posted last time (and whoever (probably a dookie troll) reacted with a "ha-ha" emoji to that can suck balls), dook doesn't have a PG, and there is literally nobody on that roster who can guard Eliot. As you saw tonight, he could get anywhere he wants anytime he wants and he carved their asses up. But with him out, they could just blitz RJ and the offense stalled unless RJ could pull off a circus shot (which he did a couple of times).

- Finally, for anyone who still doesn't understand why EC is the necessary lynchpin of this team, both now and going forward, I don't know what else to tell ya. I mean sure, despite the zebra-f***ing tonight, 15 pts, 6 dimes, a couple of steals, a blocked 3, a blocked lob and a forced TO on Knipple down the stretch, but... it shouldn't take that to see what should be the obvious, TBH.

Anyway, I'm gonna close this one in no uncertain terms. I've watched a LOT of college hoops this season --- including the SEC up close on several occasions --- and if UNC gets left out of the Dance, they might as well just start doing random drawings out of a damn hat. As I said before, this team has closed strong and can beat anybody, and I'd really like to see Hubert and our PTBs, as well as our fans and media types, stop twith he hang-dogging and be more outspoken about it. I said it and I stand by it --- we should be in the NCAAT this time next week...

Gary to your comment about dook more efficient without flagg….. during the game they flashed up a stat with and without Flagg. I wasn’t really listening and it was some stats I really haven’t seen before. From what I could tell trying to read it quickly, the numbers looked better with out him. Didn’t feel like rewinding so I wasn’t sure what it showing. Did anyone else see the stat?

 

[NathanFielder]

People have said this game is a nutshell of the season and I can’t agree more.

Literally every opinion everyone has about this team was confirmed. They were terrible in parts. They were really good in parts. They made brutal mental mistakes in parts. They made high IQ play in parts.

I think if Duke didn’t have Cooper Flagg for the entire season and had no replacement, they would be around a 5 seed. So that tells you at UNC can be competitive against NCAA Tournament teams. However, I wouldn’t be upset if they’re left out. They had their chances. 1-12 speaks volumes. Don’t F around so you don’t have to find out.

Cadeau was terrific. I think the foul trouble is part of his nature. But we haven’t seen a takeover mode like that often. He has it in him. I wish we see it more against quality teams. His inconsistency is frustrating (everyone’s is) but good for him that he was the catalyst. The whole Withers being the key at the 4 looks like it was partly a mirage of doing it against bad teams. Against real teams (if they get an opportunity), it might have to be the little guys (and Lubin) that lead the way.

So which side are you on? Is the team that fell down by 20+ a better indication of who this team is? Or is the team that made the furious comeback? I think this team has proven they can be good against good teams with their backs against the wall. But in every game they’ve had a disastrous first 20-25 minutes. That’s been the constant so that’s my lean.

 

[NathanFielder]

Gary to your comment about dook more efficient without flagg….. during the game they flashed up a stat with and without Flagg. I wasn’t really listening and it was some stats I really haven’t seen before. From what I could tell trying to read it quickly, the numbers looked better with out him. Didn’t feel like rewinding so I wasn’t sure what it showing. Did anyone else see the stat?

I didn’t see the graphic but be very careful with those numbers. Flagg has played 73.9% of available minutes this season. Duke has also blown out a lot of teams. So any on-off numbers with Flagg needs to include garbage and non-garbage time minutes.

Duke has had 20 wins by 20+ points. So in those games you need specific lineup data to see the full story of Duke’s efficiency with him off the floor.

And also, if we think about this logically. Duke is the 2nd ranked team in offensive efficiency in the country. If they didn’t have Flagg the entire season and had no replacement, do you think they’d finish #1? Extremely unlikely.

People talk about an anti-UNC bias. This would be going to opposite way. Trying to spin a loss to Duke where they didn’t have one of the 2 best players in the nation into some positive spin.

But in terms of the on-off numbers, it needs to have a lot of context behind it because Duke played probably more garbage time minutes than anyone in the country.

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

Withers error was egregious, but I subscribe to the old adage "pay attention to who is with you after you lose much more than who wants to be with you after you win". Keep your head up big fella.

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
A much more nuanced response than putting the error on the Mount Rushmore of Stupidest Things Ever Seen.

 

[Point2Passer]

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
A much more nuanced response than putting the error on the Mount Rushmore of Stupidest Things Ever Seen.

I’ll bite since I posted it…

I wasn’t, nor have I ever had “hate” for Withers. I don’t trash him. I appreciate his effort and dedication to the program. He for all intents and purposes seems like a nice young man. I’ve praised him when he’s had his memorable moments. So, I can’t then, in turn, criticize him as well?

It was an extremely bone headed play…. especially when you consider the time and place. That’s all I said… not sure how it’s debatable? There’s a reason everyone nationally is talking about it… it’s a play we’ll always remember, and let’s face it, it’ll be the first thing most think of whenever his name comes up years from now. We’ll never know for sure, but it could very well cost us an NCAAT bid.

Withers couldn’t care less what I think, and he shouldn’t. He’s got thicker skin than some of you. If I got on here everyday and posted that Withers is awesome… he probably wouldn’t care much either. The “real fans don’t criticize our players” and the “he’s better than you’ll ever be” shticks are so dramatic. Praise and criticism come with the job, as does the free education and the NIL money.

 

[strummingram]

I’ll bite since I posted it…

I wasn’t, nor have I ever had “hate” for Withers. I don’t trash him. I appreciate his effort and dedication to the program. He for all intents and purposes seems like a nice young man. I’ve praised him when he’s had his memorable moments. So, I can’t then, in turn, criticize him as well?

It was an extremely bone headed play…. especially when you consider the time and place. That’s all I said… not sure how it’s debatable? There’s a reason everyone nationally is talking about it… it’s a play we’ll always remember, and let’s face it, it’ll be the first thing most think of whenever his name comes up years from now. We’ll never know for sure, but it could very well cost us an NCAAT bid.

Withers couldn’t care less what I think, and he shouldn’t. He’s got thicker skin than some of you. If I got on here everyday and posted that Withers is awesome… he probably wouldn’t care much either. The “real fans don’t criticize our players” and the “he’s better than you’ll ever be” shticks are so dramatic. Praise and criticism come with the job, as does the free education and the NIL money.

Sheezus... I'd hate to see when you actually DO trash somebody. You created a thread on this board with the direct purpose of trashing Withers, and allow other armchair pros to bash and trash him.

 

[Point2Passer]

Sheezus... I'd hate to see when you actually DO trash somebody. You created a thread on this board with the direct purpose of trashing Withers, and allow other armchair pros to bash and trash him.

Fixed it for you guys… on to the next poster with your torches!

 

[gary-7]

To those on another thread who are critical of Jae’Lyn and his late mistake- congratulations
on being F\/CKING perfect. Now go find another team to support.
Thank you, Geth, for calling them out.

Honestly, and l mean it- Elliot gets more phantom foul calls than any player in argyle l have ever
seen since l walked on campus as a freshman in 1973.
Bumps, tricky-tacks, touches, DIDN’T EVEN TOUCH HIM, not giving a shooter a place to land, you
name it.
And it affects out team’s performance drastically because that dude CAN get to the rim and isn’t
afraid to try. He involves his teammates and sets them up for scores.
He makes errors and is far from perfect, but he has been abused by the stripes all season.
IMO, we win last night if the whistles don’t find him and bench him.
Watch the replays on these “fouls”. So often, zero or minimal contact by Elliot. While meanwhile,
Proctor and Knueppel have mastered the fine dookie art of pushing off to create space. They each had two fouls
in 72 minutes.

I hope North Carolina is chosen on the Selection Show. I want to see our players explode out of their chairs on Sunday night. A game or two (or more) to put this loss behind them is what these players deserve.

Amen to all that.

 

[gary-7]

Almost worse than the Rivers dagger at the buzzer years back as we had battled so hard and were on the verge of possibly overcoming them.

I know all the bullshit bracketology points to all of our missed opportunities and quad 1 losses but the last several weeks should count for something... the team we are now not then.

I think it's possible we'd be a final 8 team based on recent form alone... maybe I need some of those delusion meds now.

Nah, ya don't need nedicine for the truth...

 

[DSouthr]

I am not sure what was harder to take in this game, between the refs totally taking us out of our game in that first half or the childish comments from those "neutral commentators of this game". The comments from UNC Fans on this site were not much better, I hope you that had that little game of "who can trash the Tar Heels the most" had fun. There sure seemed to be a great deal of enjoyment in who could out do the other in over the top criticism. I will leave it at just that but it was shameful.

Yes, JWith screwed up, it happens but those of you that are perfect, clearly we have several that believe they are perfect, those of you that have never made a mistake, would not understand we mere mortals that do and wil make mistakes from time to time. Lubin walks to the free throw line for 2 shots and we were down 1, hit those 2 free throws and we lead with duke nothing but a slim desperation chance and misses the front end, RJ late in this game missing the front end of a 1&1.

I guess I am just built different than many seem to be, I am proud of this teams effort from last night, DAMN PROUD! This team had every right to just quit, just roll over and die, down by 24 with what 11 min left and they fought their collective asses off against the best team in the country. This bull about duke being so depleted, oh my gosh, how could duke be expected to win this game, they only had 2 NBA lotto players in the next NBA draft start for them, they only had 4 guys likely to be drafted in the next NBA draft, pulling 5 star talents off the bench, oh my, they only had 2 future NBA centers that towered over our starters, I guess we should all start a Go Fund Me page for them? I would love to understand this "logic".

Lubin fought his butt off, Cadeau had a very good game but the refs decided they didn't want him out there. How is it that you get sandwiched between 2 dukies and pushed between them and YOU get called for the foul? We shot very poorly, especially Drake and Ian but credit Drake for solid defensive work. Credit JWit for his what 9pts and 9 boards, the kid worked. Seth defended hard all night but he stepped up his offense late and in my view keyed us off to that march back, he and Cadeau playing with 4 fouls.

So yeah, I am VERY PISSED AS I TYPE THIS, not at this team, I am proud of those kids AND THEIR COACH, they played with heart and they deserved better, from the refs they deserved better, from the ESPN commentators they deserved more, and from UNC fans they deserved more.

 

[gary-7]

Gary to your comment about dook more efficient without flagg….. during the game they flashed up a stat with and without Flagg. I wasn’t really listening and it was some stats I really haven’t seen before. From what I could tell trying to read it quickly, the numbers looked better with out him. Didn’t feel like rewinding so I wasn’t sure what it showing. Did anyone else see the stat?

Yup, that's exactly what it said. And BTW, the dookie jackass who keeps adding laugh emojis can GFH.

 

[gary-7]

I am not sure what was harder to take in this game, between the refs totally taking us out of our game in that first half or the childish comments from those "neutral commentators of this game". The comments from UNC Fans on this site were not much better, I hope you that had that little game of "who can trash the Tar Heels the most" had fun. There sure seemed to be a great deal of enjoyment in who could out do the other in over the top criticism. I will leave it at just that but it was shameful.

Yes, JWith screwed up, it happens but those of you that are perfect, clearly we have several that believe they are perfect, those of you that have never made a mistake, would not understand we mere mortals that do and wil make mistakes from time to time. Lubin walks to the free throw line for 2 shots and we were down 1, hit those 2 free throws and we lead with duke nothing but a slim desperation chance and misses the front end, RJ late in this game missing the front end of a 1&1.

I guess I am just built different than many seem to be, I am proud of this teams effort from last night, DAMN PROUD! This team had every right to just quit, just roll over and die, down by 24 with what 11 min left and they fought their collective asses off against the best team in the country. This bull about duke being so depleted, oh my gosh, how could duke be expected to win this game, they only had 2 NBA lotto players in the next NBA draft start for them, they only had 4 guys likely to be drafted in the next NBA draft, pulling 5 star talents off the bench, oh my, they only had 2 future NBA centers that towered over our starters, I guess we should all start a Go Fund Me page for them? I would love to understand this "logic".

Lubin fought his butt off, Cadeau had a very good game but the refs decided they didn't want him out there. How is it that you get sandwiched between 2 dukies and pushed between them and YOU get called for the foul? We shot very poorly, especially Drake and Ian but credit Drake for solid defensive work. Credit JWit for his what 9pts and 9 boards, the kid worked. Seth defended hard all night but he stepped up his offense late and in my view keyed us off to that march back, he and Cadeau playing with 4 fouls.

So yeah, I am VERY PISSED AS I TYPE THIS, not at this team, I am proud of those kids AND THEIR COACH, they played with heart and they deserved better, from the refs they deserved better, from the ESPN commentators they deserved more, and from UNC fans they deserved more.

100% spot-on per all counts.

 

[NathanFielder]

The standard (at least this season) has dipped if the narrative is how proud we are that this team had a chance to beat a Duke team without its best player and another rotational guy. I don’t think that can be questioned. A typical UNC team would be expected to beat Duke in this circumstance and it would be fair to be disappointed and pissed at the outcome.

Several things can be true.
- Withers made an inexcusable error. It wasn’t the sole reason for the loss. It was potentially a significant factor though.

- The first half was horrific. The second half was terrific.

- They showed a lot of stones to make a comeback. It’s really disappointing that they were getting trucked against a team with being shorthanded.

It doesn’t have to be absolute and you’re not a better fan or built better if you are.

This UNC season has had a lot of gray to it. A lot of “yea, but” to it. That’s usually the case with inconsistent teams.

And also, I can’t believe people are downplaying Flagg’s injury. No kidding Duke is talented but some dudes are critical to everything. UNC lost to Duke at home that season Ty Lawson missed that game. Sure they had NBA dudes across the roster but Lawson’s loss mattered.

Lol, nice try to those downplaying it.

 

[tarheels0015]

It takes a team effort to win or lose !

 

[Point2Passer]

Yes, JWith screwed up, it happens but those of you that are perfect, clearly we have several that believe they are perfect, those of you that have never made a mistake, would not understand we mere mortals that do and wil make mistakes from time to time.

Contrary to you guys likely lumping me into the believe they are perfect… mere mortal here as well. I’ve actually made multiple mistakes already today.

Honest question here Dave… if you’re saying we shouldn’t criticize JWit or other players because, they make mistakes from time to time just like the rest of us, then wouldn’t that also apply to not criticizing officials, commentators, other posters, Duke players and coaches, even US presidents (prior or current)? Basically, no one should ever criticize anyone for anything, because none of us are perfect?

Truly trying to understand precisely what you mean…