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...and apologies for the lateness but fact is this was the maddest I've been about a game in a long time. Thus, I'd rather wait and write in a more analytical mindset than blow off immediate steam.

Anyway, as a brief run at explanation of my opening statement, I wasn't mad per se about the game being poorly played/coached/officiated/whatever. Nor was it about the obvious fact we're in a team-wide shooting slump that's's gotten contagious from 3 and from the FT line. Deeply concerned? Oh yeah, but not mad. I was mad because it was nonetheless a very winnable game, and we didn't take our best shot at that. In fact, this game drug me back into the head-banging frustrations of 2014-15.

Contrary to the trendy stuff, the UNC offensive system is about as far removed from "positionless" as one can get. It just does NOT function well that way. Even granting that there is some interchangeablity within 2/3 or 4/5, in the scheme of things here numbers/roles MATTER --- a LOT. During the aforementioned 2014-15 season I posted over and over (with demonstrative stats) how our offense was self-stymied by personnel misfits --- specifically trying to play two natural 3s on the wings, leaving Marcus Paige to essentially fend for himself in the backcourt.

We saw the same thing again Sunday with the starting lineup. As with Tokoto and Jackson 5 years ago, neither BRob nor Leaky is a college 2 --- they are both natural 3s --- and it comes as little surprise that this lineup will be offensively challenged. Neither of them is an effective secondary ball-handler, and the spacing I saw was not good. And just like opponents did 5 years ago to Marcus Paige, they are now concentrating on banging on Cole and baiting him into forces.

The instant antidote in 2014-15 was when Joel Berry would came into the game and Marcus (or sometimes Britt) would slide to the 2. The increase in offensive production was consistently prodigious --- NOT because Marcus was a bad PG, but because with JB and MP we suddenly had two legit Guards on the floor, and thus the defense could no longer bully our PG nor slough off of the 2, the spacing was eons better and everything (including entry passes to Bigs) opened up. Amazing how that works. Generally speaking, statistically that season with the starting lineup on the floor we were a low-70s PPG team (sound familiar?) --- but with two Guards it typically soared to an 85-90 rate.

That telling 2014-15 contrast repeated itself Sunday early in the second half when Leaky tweaked something and Platek subbed in. Over the ensuing 7-and-a-half minutes with two Guards on the floor we reeled off 13 points. Not only was that a glaring contrast to the whopping 18 we eaked out in the 20 minutes of the entire first half, that's also 1.74 PPM, which translates to 70 PPG. Short sample? Sure, but the contrast in the eye-test was striking as well. I was watching the game with one of my coach buds and when that sub was made I told him "I want you to watch us on offense now and tell me what difference you see." About half-way thru the sequence he replied "I mean, it's totally different --- the spacing is way better, ball's moving better --- it looks like 'Carolina basketball'". That says it all. Part of that time we were Traditional and then Small (with Pierce), but the commonality was there were two legit Guards on the floor. Another stark contrast, the other 32-1/2 minutes of the game netted 30 pts. --- that's 0.92 PPM (or less than 37 PPG) --- that's a yikes, even vs UVA.

So... did Platek do anything special? No, just played good solid ball, helped keep things moving and did things the right way. It's about roles. The problem is our other 2 (Keeling) is still lost as far as spacing and ball-security. Some have mentioned sliding Cole over some and that may be possible if Francis can get comfortable (although that's NOT something you want to try to force for the first time down the stretch at UVA), but Cole needs to be playing PG as much as possible. Hopefully the light will come on for Keeling or perhaps Harris can contribute at the 2. One way or another, we need for there to ALWAYS be two legit Guards on the floor. I was thus mad we didn't use the lineup in crunch-time that was our most productive earlier in the second half, and as a consequence lost any real chance of pulling that game out.

Look, I've said over and over that Roy is the best coach in the game today, but like every great coach he still has an achilles heel (heck, I could make a list for most of the all-timers). Roy's achilles is (and has been) personnel usage --- specifically when he tries to force proverbial square pegs into round holes --- and stubbornness thereof even when something clearly doesn't work. I know things have to be maddening for him now, what with nobody seemingly able to put the damn ball in the hole consistently, but if the roles are covered properly the ball-movement will be better, shot-selection/availability will be better, and the results should follow. Sometimes it takes him a while, but Roy usually makes the adjustment.

So there it is. Other than working out of our shooting-funk mentality, IMO adjusting our lineups is the first step for this team to be its best. I'm sure some will disagree, which is fine, but I stand by my point. It was right 5 years ago and I believe it's right today. This team has more potential than many fans believe, but at this point it's about gaining experience, and it's also about getting the pieces to come together in the most effective combinations...
 
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Your entire 1 line post was an attack on Gary and had no other intent. If you don't like or agree with his assertions how about proving him wrong. He never once stated that Platek should be the starting 2 guard, only that we need an effective 2nd ball handling guard. He even mentioned Harris, Francis, and Keeling filling that role. You however, chose to misrepresent his words. So either you are so mentally challenged that you cannot read and interpret the English language, or your intent was to attack the original poster. Hence my question, which you still have not answered.
 
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But if you want a rebuttal. First of all, he is flat out wrong. At 7 and a half minutes into the second half we had scored 13 points and given up 15 points to Virginia. We don't hit 17 points in the half til plateks layup at 9 and a half minutes in.

Which means his ppm is wrong. It is actually 1.73 at 7 and a half minutes and 1.8 at 9.5 minutes.

Granted he says leaky got hurt in the beginning of the 2nd half. It is a cramp but at 17:51 Platek goes in and at 10:17 he goes back out.

So we are back down to 13 points in a little over 7 and a half minutes yet again. Thus, again, his numbers are flat out wrong. It is about 1.7 ppm. We were out scored 14-13 in this stretch.

This 13 points is really only attributable to the fact Cole Anthony hit a 3 and made his two free throws which he has been prone to miss often. And that we had a transition basket on a blocked shot by leaky.

In that 7 and a half minutes we also had a 3 minute and 46 second scoring drought.

The ppm with Platek was about 1.72 ppm which comes out to 68.8 points per game, but nothing in the game makes it look attributable to Platek himself. The Anthony 3 is on a fluke offensive rebound passed out. A lot of the Bacot scores are dives from screens passed to him and feeding the post. There is at least one possession where Platek is in the corner and his defender is ten feet away in the paint and anthony won't pass it to him. And of course Anthony just happens to hit both his free throws here.

Platek finished with 2 points and 2 rebounds (both offensive) one of which he bricked the put back on a bunny and the other he passed out to Anthony who hit a 3. His layup is the transition layup from the leaky block.

I don't see where the two and two was put together here by him, but I wasn't really interested in rebutting him because I thought making a meme joke about how much he likes Platek was a better use of my time.
 
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gobblercalls said:
Your entire 1 line post was an attack on Gary and had no other intent. If you don't like or agree with his assertions how about proving him wrong. He never once stated that Platek should be the starting 2 guard, only that we need an effective 2nd ball handling guard. He even mentioned Harris, Francis, and Keeling filling that role. You however, chose to misrepresent his words. So either you are so mentally challenged that you cannot read and interpret the English language, or your intent was to attack the original poster. Hence my question, which you still have not answered.
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You are really making a fool out of yourself with these posts. They speak for themself.
 
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imajericho said:
But if you want a rebuttal. First of all, he is flat out wrong. At 7 and a half minutes into the second half we had scored 13 points and given up 15 points to Virginia. We don't hit 17 points in the half til plateks layup at 9 and a half minutes in.

Which means his ppm is wrong. It is actually 1.73 at 7 and a half minutes and 1.8 at 9.5 minutes.

Granted he says leaky got hurt in the beginning of the 2nd half. It is a cramp but at 17:51 Platek goes in and at 10:17 he goes back out.

So we are back down to 13 points in a little over 7 and a half minutes yet again. Thus, again, his numbers are flat out wrong. It is about 1.7 ppm. We were out scored 14-13 in this stretch.

This 13 points is really only attributable to the fact Cole Anthony hit a 3 and made his two free throws which he has been prone to miss often. And that we had a transition basket on a blocked shot by leaky.

In that 7 and a half minutes we also had a 3 minute and 46 second scoring drought.

The ppm with Platek was about 1.72 ppm which comes out to 68.8 points per game, but nothing in the game makes it look attributable to Platek himself. The Anthony 3 is on a fluke offensive rebound passed out. A lot of the Bacot scores are dives from screens passed to him and feeding the post. There is at least one possession where Platek is in the corner and his defender is ten feet away in the paint and anthony won't pass it to him. And of course Anthony just happens to hit both his free throws here.

Platek finished with 2 points and 2 rebounds (both offensive) one of which he bricked the put back on a bunny and the other he passed out to Anthony who hit a 3. His layup is the transition layup from the leaky block.

I don't see where the two and two was put together here by him, but I wasn't really interested in rebutting him because I thought making a meme joke about how much he likes Platek was a better use of my time.
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He knows Platek is a joke just like everyone else but he made the statement that he should be the starting PG now he will die by that statement.

Just like #timestampgate he will never admit he is or was wrong.
 
notashelbyfan said:
He knows Platek is a joke just like everyone else but he made the statement that he should be the starting PG now he will die by that statement.

Just like #timestampgate he will never admit he is or was wrong.
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I think that Platek could be a serviceable outside spot shooter when his shot starts to fall. I also think he is a smart player and can make smart plays. But, I think he is limited offensively to mostly the outside spot shooter and gets burned on D frequently.

Why Gary uses Platek in this example yet entirely doesn't use the greater sample size of the year or with the other 2 guard keeling is beyond me (if you want to call leaky and Robinson not able to be 2s).

The little surge at the beginning of the 2nd half in scoring was likely just them being fired up from Roy yelling at them in the locker room tbqh. It was really the only time we fed Bacot frequently in the post and he scored a good bit in this sequence. Which again had little to do with Platek. His defender was notably sagging off him at points into the paint.

This is also the only stretch where I notably remember Cole Anthony pushing the ball a lot (though still relatively not that fast). I assume this was due to Roy getting in his ear to do so at the half.

Jeremiah Francis at the 1 and Cole at the 2 might be the answer if Francis can get conditioned. But, again, it's a long shot with him not having been playing in years. You could see Francis push the ball up though when he was in, however, his conditioning looked not there as you saw him give up that cheap foul around midcourt cuz he alrdy seemed tired.
 
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Btw we scored 13 points in the first 4:58 of the 2nd half. 6 by Bacot. 5 by Anthony. And 2 by leaky.

This would come out to be 2.6 ppm! Or 104 a game! That said. The next 3:46 seconds is a scoring drought which again is during this time platek was in. That accounts for a little over half of the entire time platek was in for that stretch.
 
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imajericho said:
I think that Platek could be a serviceable outside spot shooter when his shot starts to fall. I also think he is a smart player and can make smart plays. But, I think he is limited offensively to mostly the outside spot shooter and gets burned on D frequently.

Why Gary uses Platek in this example yet entirely doesn't use the greater sample size of the year or with the other 2 guard keeling is beyond me (if you want to call leaky and Robinson not able to be 2s).

The little surge at the beginning of the 2nd half in scoring was likely just them being fired up from Roy yelling at them in the locker room tbqh. It was really the only time we fed Bacot frequently in the post and he scored a good bit in this sequence. Which again had little to do with Platek. His defender was notably sagging off him at points into the paint.

This is also the only stretch where I notably remember Cole Anthony pushing the ball a lot (though still relatively not that fast). I assume this was due to Roy getting in his ear to do so at the half.

Jeremiah Francis at the 1 and Cole at the 2 might be the answer if Francis can get conditioned. But, again, it's a long shot with him not having been playing in years. You could see Francis push the ball up though when he was in, however, his conditioning looked not there as you saw him give up that cheap foul around midcourt cuz he alrdy seemed tired.
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I agree he can be serviceable but when a Carolina team is relying on him as relying on him that much we have talent issues. And simple lineup tweaks are not going to fix our issues and go from lucky make the dance to sweet 16 or better.

We have a Jimmy's and Joe's problem with this team not an X's and O's problem.
 
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notashelbyfan said:
I agree he can be serviceable but when a Carolina team is relying on him as relying on him that much we have talent issues. And simple lineup tweaks are not going to fix our issues and go from lucky make the dance to sweet 16 or better.

We have a Jimmy's and Joe's problem with this team not an X's and O's problem.
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We realistically need about 10 more losses to worry about not making the dance, so I am not really concerned about that yet. I think getting Anthony to buy into pushing the ball more will help us a lot. People forget that Larry Drew was actually a good point guard and I believe set records at UCLA after he transferred. He just wasn't a PG who was willing and able to run the system our offense was based around. We need Anthony to buy into setting the tempo more and not settling. The announcers were kinda dunking on him in the game for bad decisions and settling on jumpers instead of getting the ball inside to the boys or driving into masses of defenders for a low percentage shot.
 
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imajericho said:
But if you want a rebuttal. First of all, he is flat out wrong. At 7 and a half minutes into the second half we had scored 13 points and given up 15 points to Virginia. We don't hit 17 points in the half til plateks layup at 9 and a half minutes in.

Which means his ppm is wrong. It is actually 1.73 at 7 and a half minutes and 1.8 at 9.5 minutes.

Granted he says leaky got hurt in the beginning of the 2nd half. It is a cramp but at 17:51 Platek goes in and at 10:17 he goes back out.

So we are back down to 13 points in a little over 7 and a half minutes yet again. Thus, again, his numbers are flat out wrong. It is about 1.7 ppm. We were out scored 14-13 in this stretch.

This 13 points is really only attributable to the fact Cole Anthony hit a 3 and made his two free throws which he has been prone to miss often. And that we had a transition basket on a blocked shot by leaky.

In that 7 and a half minutes we also had a 3 minute and 46 second scoring drought.

The ppm with Platek was about 1.72 ppm which comes out to 68.8 points per game, but nothing in the game makes it look attributable to Platek himself. The Anthony 3 is on a fluke offensive rebound passed out. A lot of the Bacot scores are dives from screens passed to him and feeding the post. There is at least one possession where Platek is in the corner and his defender is ten feet away in the paint and anthony won't pass it to him. And of course Anthony just happens to hit both his free throws here.

Platek finished with 2 points and 2 rebounds (both offensive) one of which he bricked the put back on a bunny and the other he passed out to Anthony who hit a 3. His layup is the transition layup from the leaky block.

I don't see where the two and two was put together here by him, but I wasn't really interested in rebutting him because I thought making a meme joke about how much he likes Platek was a better use of my time.
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nice response to a troll job.
 
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I do agree with the need to have a second ball handler in the backcourt with Cole at all times. BRob is certainly not that and it shows. Roy’s teams are best when he has that secondary ball handler to relieve pressure off his pg.

As for Platek, if we are all being honest with ourselves we know that his talent level equates to a guy coming off the bench for UNCG. He’s in over his head at this level and there is 2.5 years of evidence to prove it.
 
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gary-7 said:
...and apologies for the lateness but fact is this was the maddest I've been about a game in a long time. Thus, I'd rather wait and write in a more analytical mindset than blow off immediate steam.

Anyway, as a brief run at explanation of my opening statement, I wasn't mad per se about the game being poorly played/coached/officiated/whatever. Nor was it about the obvious fact we're in a team-wide shooting slump that's's gotten contagious from 3 and from the FT line. Deeply concerned? Oh yeah, but not mad. I was mad because it was nonetheless a very winnable game, and we didn't take our best shot at that. In fact, this game drug me back into the head-banging frustrations of 2014-15.

Contrary to the trendy stuff, the UNC offensive system is about as far removed from "positionless" as one can get. It just does NOT function well that way. Even granting that there is some interchangeablity within 2/3 and 4/5, in the scheme of things here numbers/roles MATTER --- a LOT. During the aforementioned 2014-15 season I posted over and over (with demonstrative stats) how our offense was self-stymied by personnel misfits --- specifically trying to play two natural 3s on the wings, leaving Marcus Paige to essentially fend for himself in the backcourt.

We saw the same thing again Sunday with the starting lineup. As with Tokoto and Jackson 5 years ago, neither BRob nor Leaky is a college 2 --- they are both natural 3s --- and it comes as little surprise that this lineup will be offensively challenged. Neither of them is an effective secondary ball-handler, and the spacing I saw was not good. And just like opponents did 5 years ago to Marcus Paige, they are now concentrating on banging on Cole and baiting him into forces.

The instant antidote in 2014-15 was when Joel Berry would came into the game and Marcus (or sometimes Britt) would slide to the 2. The increase in offensive production was consistently prodigious --- NOT because Marcus was a bad PG, but because with JB and MP we suddenly had two legit Guards on the floor, and thus the defense could no longer bully our PG nor slough off of the 2, the spacing was eons better and everything (including entry passes to Bigs) opened up. Amazing how that works. Generally speaking, statistically that season with the starting lineup on the floor we were a low-70s PPG team (sound familiar?) --- but with two Guards it typically soared to an 85-90 rate.

That telling 2014-15 contrast repeated itself Sunday early in the second half when Leaky tweaked something and Platek subbed in. Over the ensuing 7-and-a-half minutes with two Guards on the floor we reeled off 17 points. Not only was that a glaring contrast to the whopping 18 we eaked out in the 20 minutes of the entire first half, that's also 2.25 PPM, which translates to 90 PPG. Short sample? Sure, but the contrast in the eye-test was striking as well. I was watching the game with one of my coach buds and when that sub was made I told him "I want you to watch us on offense now and tell me what difference you see." About half-way thru the sequence he replied "I mean, it's totally different --- the spacing is way better, ball's moving better --- it looks like 'Carolina basketball'". That says it all. Part of that time we were Traditional and then Small (with Pierce), but the commonality was there were two legit Guards on the floor. Another stark contrast, the other 32-1/2 minutes of the game netted 30 pts. --- that's 0.92 PPM (or 36.9 PPG) --- that's a yikes, even vs UVA.

So... did Platek do anything special? No, just played good solid ball, helped keep things moving and did things the right way. It's about roles. The problem is our other 2 (Keeling) is still lost as far as spacing and ball-security. Some have mentioned sliding Cole over some and that may be possible if Francis can get comfortable (although that's NOT something you want to try to force for the first time down the stretch at UVA), but Cole needs to be playing PG as much as possible. Hopefully the light will come on for Keeling or perhaps Harris can contribute at the 2. One way or another, we need for there to ALWAYS be two legit Guards on the floor. I was thus mad we didn't use the lineup in crunch-time that was our most productive earlier in the second half, and as a consequence lost any real chance of pulling that game out.

Look, I've said over and over that Roy is the best coach in the game today, but like every great coach he still has an achilles heel (heck, I could make a list for most of the all-timers). Roy's achilles is (and has been) personnel usage --- specifically when he tries to force proverbial square pegs into round holes --- and stubbornness thereof even when something clearly doesn't work. I know things have to be maddening for him now, what with nobody seemingly able to put the damn ball in the hole consistently, but if the roles are covered properly the ball-movement will be better, shot-selection/availability will be better, and the results should follow. Sometimes it takes him a while, but Roy usually makes the adjustment.

So there it is. Other than working out of our shooting-funk mentality, IMO adjusting our lineups is the first step for this team to be its best. I'm sure some will disagree, which is fine, but I stand by my point. It was right 5 years ago and I believe it's right today. This team has more potential than many fans believe, but at this point it's about gaining experience, and it's also about getting the pieces to come together in the most effective combinations...
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Gary, this is one of your best in analyzing a game. Kudos to ya. Although, I may disagree with some of your numbers.

No one wants read what I think, so I'm just going to let your post tell most of the story. While we are actually fairly good on defense, we are just a very bad offensive team at this time, and your post reiterates
this fact. Yeah the staff is dumbfounded, but not discouraged. We actually do have talented players offensively, what is making scoring
so difficult is shot selection, off balance shots, spacing, hurried shots...., and most damning of all is....CONFIDENCE.

I know that I, as well as yourself, sound like broken records after every game so far, this season. Until Roy & Co. solve their offensive woes, we are going to see this repeatedly. Just hope for a breakout soon.
 
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Go stand over a 3 foot putt on the golf course.
Think over and over I will miss this putt or have any doubt or uncertainty on making and more than likely you will miss.
Get over the putt and think nothing but the bottom of the cup and you might just be surprised how many you make.
 
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There is at least one possession where Platek is in the corner and his defender is ten feet away in the paint and anthony won't pass it to him.
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I'm staying out of the argument about Platek, but this is an example where Cole needs to improve. At some point in many possessions he just seems to stop looking for his teammates.

Whether he has the Dennis Smith disease or is just feeling like he has to carry the team, I don't know. But the truth seems to be that he does have to carry the team. At least for now. But I don't think that's good for either Cole or the team.

The good news is that the team should get better the more they play together. But we (meaning Roy) need to keep Cole from succumbing to the Lone Ranger mentality.

One way to do that would be to put Joel Berry in at point and shift Cole to SG. But as nice as it was to see Jeremiah on the floor, he's not Joel Berry yet. Which is why I mentioned Leaky in another thread.

Another approach might be to set more screens for wings. We normally seem to try to get our wings open through moving the ball and having our wings move without the ball. Usually someone will get open. But that formula doesn't seem to be working with these players. They aren't getting open as reliably and, as mentioned, Cole often doesn't seem to be looking for them. Again, maybe they just need more time. But maybe some set plays to get our wings open in scoring position might help.

I'm no coach, so I'll let Gary or one of our other gurus tell me if that makes any sense.
 
I really don't think leaky is the answer at point for us. He could work for a more methodical team, but I just don't see it. He is just not as quick as he was before he grew. He definitely can make passes and make plays, but you are committing to a half court style then.
 
gobblercalls said:
Your entire 1 line post was an attack on Gary and had no other intent. If you don't like or agree with his assertions how about proving him wrong. He never once stated that Platek should be the starting 2 guard, only that we need an effective 2nd ball handling guard. He even mentioned Harris, Francis, and Keeling filling that role. You however, chose to misrepresent his words. So either you are so mentally challenged that you cannot read and interpret the English language, or your intent was to attack the original poster. Hence my question, which you still have not answered.
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I dont see that as an attack. Gary loved JB, we all knew it. He does Platek the same, only problem JB could play, Platek hurts us much more than he helps. Hate it, but it is what it is. Praying for Francis and Harris to get well fast!
 
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I really don't think leaky is the answer at point for us. He could work for a more methodical team, but I just don't see it. He is just not as quick as he was before he grew. He definitely can make passes and make plays, but you are committing to a half court style then.
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I agree is skill set is limited and it does not include PG in the ACC.

He like B-Rob, Pierce, and Brooks are role players. They would be great pieces added to a fluent basketball experienced team.

Say we still had Coby and Nas. That gives you another shooter a to take the pressure off of Cole and a slasher on the wing. Then Brooks is a force inside with teams having to worry about our back court, then B-rob gets wide open looks Nas is cleaning up and we can run.

Facts are our players are not good enough to run our type of basketball. Roy may have to do some scheme changes to fit the personal.

We have what we have we just got to make the best out of it.
 
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We realistically need about 10 more losses to worry about not making the dance, so I am not really concerned about that yet. I think getting Anthony to buy into pushing the ball more will help us a lot. People forget that Larry Drew was actually a good point guard and I believe set records at UCLA after he transferred. He just wasn't a PG who was willing and able to run the system our offense was based around. We need Anthony to buy into setting the tempo more and not settling. The announcers were kinda dunking on him in the game for bad decisions and settling on jumpers instead of getting the ball inside to the boys or driving into masses of defenders for a low percentage shot.
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The way we have played the last 2 games I can see 10 more losses!
 
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Then we might be in trouble depending on who we drop them to. But, yes, it isn't the losses. It is how we lost. We looked atrocious.
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I get the impression Roy is having to coach effort and that's a serious issue. The guys just look disinterested!
 
Cole is facing stiffer competition these days (and this will continue) with players just as talented and older (being in there system longer). I'm interested to see how he adjust.
 
I sure hope Francis and Harris can provide some energy, toughness - and hopefully - make a freaking 3 from time to time. At the very least, they give Roy a few more options in trying to piece together some lineup combinations that work.
 
Tarheel75 said:
Gary, this is one of your best in analyzing a game. Kudos to ya. Although, I may disagree with some of your numbers.

No one wants read what I think, so I'm just going to let your post tell most of the story. While we are actually fairly good on defense, we are just a very bad offensive team at this time, and your post reiterates
this fact. Yeah the staff is dumbfounded, but not discouraged. We actually do have talented players offensively, what is making scoring
so difficult is shot selection, off balance shots, spacing, hurried shots...., and most damning of all is....CONFIDENCE.

I know that I, as well as yourself, sound like broken records after every game so far, this season. Until Roy & Co. solve their offensive woes, we are going to see this repeatedly. Just hope for a breakout soon.
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Totally agree, these rushed off balance tosses (not sure they qualify as a shot much of the time) just have to stop, that includes Cole. They simply are not ready for the shot on the catch, a pump fake to a defender flying out at you is still legal isn't it? Yeah, miss enough of those off balance attempts and the rare open look you get becomes hard because you have not seen the ball go in the basket. So yeah, It absolutely becomes a confidence issue.

There are some guys that just really need top get in to the gym on their own, don't know how much of that is happening but based on the results so far I suspect not as much as they need to.
 
I see the "confidence" or lack of, being the key. They are limited players in creating a solid look. It may be a well reasoned "forced" shot at that point. They are not capable of creating a better one at this level. Role players getting good looks through kick outs or collapsing defenses on scoring threats is a different animal then making a play for a solid look with the rock.
 
Yeah, this is the least fundamentally sound UNC team I’ve see in a long time. Our fundamentals across the board are just not very good.

A reemphasis on the very basics would be my suggestion. I don’t think we’re going to see a significant improvement until we see improvement on basic basketball principles, ie: player/ball movement, setting/defending screens, shot mechanics, shot selection, boxing out, stopping ball/player penetration, etc...

UNC basketball is based on all those principles, most of which inexperience in our system has made deficiencies.
 
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Archer2 said:
Yeah, this is the least fundamentally sound UNC team I’ve see in a long time. Our fundamentals across the board are just not very good.

A reemphasis on the very basics would be my suggestion. I don’t think we’re going to see a significant improvement until we see improvement on basic basketball principles, ie: player/ball movement, setting/defending screens, shot mechanics, shot selection, boxing out, stopping ball/player penetration, etc...

UNC basketball is based on all those principles, most of which inexperience in our system has made deficiencies.
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I agree with all the above principles, and the stellar job UNC does with them. They also are based on cream of the crop top notch talent. At the wings we are lacking at both for a typical UNC team.

How much is able to be improved and how much is limited by skill /talent is the question. Getting guys in a position to "free lance" attack within the system is not enough for our wings at present. Fundamentally sound aggresion or not.
 
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Meanwhile Pierce comes out with Blue Steel and knocks them down. He that uncomfortable with the starters?

Like Ive said and some others. This can only be fixed by guys willing to make the effort.

Lets see what happens going forward.
 
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mikeirbyusa said:
Meanwhile Pierce comes out with Blue Steel and knocks them down. He that uncomfortable with the starters?

Like Ive said and some others. This can only be fixed by guys willing to make the effort.

Lets see what happens going forward.
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Pierce definitely has confidence. You could tell with that step back 3 he missed against Virginia it isn't a lack of confidence. I just don't think we are consistently getting it to him when he is open for whatever reason.
 
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