Well he did introduce the phrase "lube guy."
Late stuff (UVA game)...
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Dadika, I have not seen Roy do that, doesn't mean he hasn't though, as it would not be a surprise given how any, or all have performed to date. It might would be a really good thing if he would do it more often - just saying.
I wholeheartedly agree that Keeling has brought little, if anything, to our team thus far. And my disappointment in his performances most likely better yours.
Nah, that's been on my resume since 2003. College jobs man.
I think we can all agree that this team doesn't possess the level of talent that most UNC teams do. A look at the 2016 and 2017 classes show why.
2016:
C Tony Bradley
Bartow, FL (Bartow)
CG Seventh Woods
Columbia, SC (Hammond School)
SG Brandon Robinson
Douglasville, GA (Douglas County)
SF Shea Rush
Kansas City, MO (The Barstow School)
Bradley left after on year, something most didn't foresee. Woods and Robinson never lived up to their rankings, for various reasons. Rush was always going to be a minor role player.
2017
PG Jalek Felton
Mullins, SC (Gray Collegiate Academy)
PF Garrison Brooks
Lafayette, AL (Auburn)
PF Brandon Huffman
Raleigh, NC (Word Of God Christian Academy)
PF Sterling Manley
Pickerington, OH (Pickerington Central)
PF Walker Miller
New Hampton, NH (New Hampton School)
SF Cameron Johnson
Moon Township, PA (University of Pittsburgh)
SG Andrew Platek
Northfield, MA (Northfield Mount Hermon)
Felton was grossly overrated, never approached the level of play one would expect from a 5* recruit, and eventually transferred. One of the most overhyped players I can remember. Huff, Manley, Miller, and Platek haven't even become solid backups at this point. Huff was overrated, Manley has the talent but can't get healthy, Walker is marginally talented when speaking of ACC level talent, as is Platek. We all know how Cam turned out, he and Brooks the two bright spots in that class.
So we're seeing the results of having two consecutive mediocre classes, coupled with the most promising recruits in those classes being crippled with injuries. It's been the perfect storm.
2016:
C Tony Bradley
CG Seventh Woods
SG Brandon Robinson
SF Shea Rush
Bradley left after on year, something most didn't foresee. Woods and Robinson never lived up to their rankings, for various reasons. Rush was always going to be a minor role player.
2017
PG Jalek Felton
PF Garrison Brooks
PF Brandon Huffman
PF Sterling Manley
PF Walker Miller
SF Cameron Johnson
SG Andrew Platek
Felton was grossly overrated, never approached the level of play one would expect from a 5* recruit, and eventually transferred. One of the most overhyped players I can remember. Huff, Manley, Miller, and Platek haven't even become solid backups at this point. Huff was overrated, Manley has the talent but can't get healthy, Walker is marginally talented when speaking of ACC level talent, as is Platek. We all know how Cam turned out, he and Brooks the two bright spots in that class.
So we're seeing the results of having two consecutive mediocre classes, coupled with the most promising recruits in those classes being crippled with injuries. It's been the perfect storm.
@Tarheel75
You seem like a good guy and a reasonable one.
I just want you to know, as others have stated, this isn’t about trashing Platek or any other player. It’s not fun to point out the flaws in your own team. This is more about certain other individuals on this board who attempt to control the narrative at whatever cost even if they are overwhelmingly incorrect in their assertions.
You seem like a good guy and a reasonable one.
I just want you to know, as others have stated, this isn’t about trashing Platek or any other player. It’s not fun to point out the flaws in your own team. This is more about certain other individuals on this board who attempt to control the narrative at whatever cost even if they are overwhelmingly incorrect in their assertions.
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now he’s the lube guy on offense? What in the entire **** has happened to Gary? The usually insightful guy minus Coby White assessment and now Platek is the lube guy that Keeps our offense moving? I can’t....
Im going to start calling a few of you shallow Hal. You damn guys see stuff nobody else sees, and are even creating a narrative that is so far fetched I can’t help but chuckle.
Talent and Experience both can win; but talented experience is worth betting on!
We lack talented experience in multiple positions (possibly all but 1) but I strongly disagree that the team doesn't have the talent to compete THIS YEAR! I have seen teams that we didn't beat look very beatable and I haven't seen a team yet that I thought we had no chance against! Why compare this team to teams behind them when they only have to play what is in front of them??? (BTW: We don't play the Tar Heel teams from the past!) If Francis and Harris continue to give us quality minutes (and remain pain free) and some shots start to fall-who with any sense could say we can't compete???
We lack talented experience in multiple positions (possibly all but 1) but I strongly disagree that the team doesn't have the talent to compete THIS YEAR! I have seen teams that we didn't beat look very beatable and I haven't seen a team yet that I thought we had no chance against! Why compare this team to teams behind them when they only have to play what is in front of them??? (BTW: We don't play the Tar Heel teams from the past!) If Francis and Harris continue to give us quality minutes (and remain pain free) and some shots start to fall-who with any sense could say we can't compete???
I think he's talking about Jalek. Not Raymond
Arguing with someone whose opinion you know you’re not going to change is like “leaping off a precipice and trying to knit yourself a parachute on the way down”.
Again what?
That is a really weird way to describe Jalek. He barely got any time to play for us. And he didn't really transfer out from us by choice. (And didn't even end up transferring either. He went pro overseas.) He played decently also. He was a end-fringe 5 star on some sites and a composite 4 star recruit.
So you believe you shouldn't be able to dispute someone's arguments if they just refuse to see the reason? That hey this poster can post whatever and it stand unrefuted because he will never agree he is wrong anyways!
Think about applications to that in the real world. That is a preposterous stance to take.
Fair points. He played well at times, but I don't think his overall game lived up to the hype. I do think he had the potential to be great if he stayed with the program.
If I dont agree with what someone has posted I will always say so. Otherwise, why even have a place where we can all voice our opinions/thoughts.
Not a soul here I always agree with, not even me. But I do love reading others view points etc.
The operative word in my post was “arguing”. Civil discourse is another matter entirely. That’s not only welcome but necessary to a good message board.
CB Blue34
Thank you, I would like to think that you are correct in your assumption about me...., then there is my wife and kids and many former teammates who at times think I take criticisms of players way to seriously.
Actually, I don't think so, as I was taught that," the sum of a team is always greater than it's individual parts", by who I believe to be, one of the greatest human beings, male or female, that I have ever known. If I had a wish, it would be that each and every one of the posters on this board could have known him as I did. What has been written in this thread about one of his players would have been tantamount to a heresy heretofore unknown.
From the best to the very least, they were his and were treated exactly the same under all circumstances. I imagine that is one reason I get vehement when any one player get's singled out for unwarranted criticisms. In this case it was AP, it most likely will be another down the road. I just cannot help it, nor would I want to, as I was taught the real meaning of "brotherhood & family" by this man who was as perfectly imperfect as one can become.
We were hyped cuz his uncle was Raymond Felton. He was a backup behind a Senior Joel Berry. What did we expect from him? He wasn't really expected to be a starter from day 1 behind those seniors and juniors. He was supposed to take over for Berry year 2. But, being ranked like 28th to 40th or so on the top 100s wasn't like someone you should have expected to come in as a world beater either. It was someone you expected could develop to be great. And he came here knowing he was behind Berry, and we recruited him with expectations of him as a sophomore and beyond.
True. And as amused as I am at some of the narratives and scape-goating, and of course how some here will inevitably turn it into being about me
, the fact is that NONE of our perimeter players are performing optimally right now. I used Platek as an example simply because he's the only 2-Guard who has been doing the right things for that role so far, but if he doesn't shoot the ball to his capabilities in games then that throws cold water on his contributions.... and that is true for whoever is playing that position.The whole point of my OP was that roles and numbers matter a lot in this system. Honestly that concept shouldn't even be controversial, but well... Anyway, bottom line is someone needs to step up at the 2 because we're not likely to fare well in the long run by forcing natural 3s into that slot. Keeling, Platek and now Harris are the candidates, so it's time for one (preferably more than one) of them to step up.
Yes, he came here, and was expected to take rein after Joel left. I am at a loss to find the correct wording that would not be construed as trashing an individual.
Let me just say, that a player like Jalek, would have been better suited to another program. The way he conducted himself while at UNC, was as far from being a mature individual, as is the N & S poles. His was a wasted talent that created issues that could not be resolved. Individuals with undeniable character flaws, who refuse to see them as such, nor work to improve them are not welcome at the University itself , nor in the basketball program either, and as we are aware, this was the final result.
Yeah, I'm sure that was part of and that's not fair to him. As I said, he showed flashes of his talent during his short time on the team. If things worked out differently and he was here long term, he could have easily turned into a star.
That's not what I said at all, and you know it. Arguing with someone whose opinion you know you aren't going to change is the definition of futility/insanity. Take your pick.
You don't like someone's opinions? Call BS and move on. Mark Twain said "Never attempt to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
Jalek was expected to be a difference maker from day one, his talent was off the charts. His only liability was his work ethic, something his own uncle discussed more than once. He was provided every opportunity to succeed at UNC, he failed to avail himself of those opportunities. Such is life.
Well, it's about the time each season where Roy becomes much more judicial with playing time. Hard to see a clear must have group who have earned the core minutes at the wings, especially with Ant & Jerimiah just now seeing the court at all.
We will see who is relegated to spot duty, and who he rides with for those core minutes.
We will see who is relegated to spot duty, and who he rides with for those core minutes.
If the boys dont come out with their hair on fire and stomp a freaking mudhole into a far inferior team at home sunday then feel free to get your finger poised over the panic button.
One last note going into the next game: Just watched Oregon beat Michigan (at Michigan) in an entertaining OT game. So... we stunk it up vs UM and beat Oregon --- the stuff of early-season games. Everyone is a work-in-progress. We have ample talent to compete --- just need to figure out the chemistry, componments and CONFIDENCE and get better.
This is what we have left from those classes. Only 1, BRob, was a top 100 player and none of them would start on any of our better teams. Heck, only BRob and maybe Brooks would have gotten offers. Which is not to knock any of our players, but is a sign of how things have changed.I think we can all agree that this team doesn't possess the level of talent that most UNC teams do. A look at the 2016 and 2017 classes show why.
2016:
C Tony BradleyBartow, FL (Bartow)
CG Seventh WoodsColumbia, SC (Hammond School)
SG Brandon RobinsonDouglasville, GA (Douglas County)
SF Shea RushKansas City, MO (The Barstow School)
Bradley left after on year, something most didn't foresee. Woods and Robinson never lived up to their rankings, for various reasons. Rush was always going to be a minor role player.
2017
PG Jalek FeltonMullins, SC (Gray Collegiate Academy)
PF Garrison BrooksLafayette, AL (Auburn)
PF Brandon HuffmanRaleigh, NC (Word Of God Christian Academy)
PF Sterling ManleyPickerington, OH (Pickerington Central)
PF Walker MillerNew Hampton, NH (New Hampton School)
SF Cameron JohnsonMoon Township, PA (University of Pittsburgh)
SG Andrew PlatekNorthfield, MA (Northfield Mount Hermon)
Felton was grossly overrated, never approached the level of play one would expect from a 5* recruit, and eventually transferred. One of the most overhyped players I can remember. Huff, Manley, Miller, and Platek haven't even become solid backups at this point. Huff was overrated, Manley has the talent but can't get healthy, Walker is marginally talented when speaking of ACC level talent, as is Platek. We all know how Cam turned out, he and Brooks the two bright spots in that class.
So we're seeing the results of having two consecutive mediocre classes, coupled with the most promising recruits in those classes being crippled with injuries. It's been the perfect storm.
2016
SG Brandon Robinson
SF Shea Rush
2017
PF Garrison Brooks
PF Brandon Huffman
PF Sterling Manley
PF Walker Miller
SG Andrew Platek
I thought the same thing but didn’t want to pile on. No way in hell he was a 4 star.
Praise the Lord. Classes like that are in the past. Serious talent coming in now.
"Scandal" really hurt us, behind us now.
"Scandal" really hurt us, behind us now.
Only reason I wanted him was to see things get patched up between Roy and Clifton.
This is what we have left from those classes. Only 1, BRob, was a top 100 player and none of them would start on any of our better teams. Heck, only BRob and maybe Brooks would have gotten offers. Which is not to knock any of our players, but is a sign of how things have changed.
2016
SG Brandon RobinsonDouglasville, GA (Douglas County)
SF Shea RushKansas City, MO (The Barstow School)
2017
PF Garrison BrooksLafayette, AL (Auburn)
PF Brandon HuffmanRaleigh, NC (Word Of God Christian Academy)
PF Sterling ManleyPickerington, OH (Pickerington Central)
PF Walker MillerNew Hampton, NH (New Hampton School)
SG Andrew PlatekNorthfield, MA (Northfield Mount Hermon)
Lets be fair here, if you are going to point at recruiting classes while tossing shade you can not point to who is left, you have to look at who came in that class. For example, from that recruiting class how helpful have any from that class been for the programs that were considered to have the best recruiting classes in that time frame? How are the duke and Ky players doing this season from the 2016 or 2017 classes? What are those 2 programs left with now from those classes? Those remaining on your lists for 2016 and 2017 were not Roy's primary targets, they were in fact well down on the priority pecking order but others turned us away while Roy had roster spots to fill. Who did Roy say no to that he should not have, if we can take a moment away from suggesting who we got that Roy should not have taken?
As for Jalek...I will go with what 75 shared, he used softer wording that I would have but this is not nor should be about Jalek.
Quoting who we have left from those 2 classes reads as an implication that Roy didn't do much in those classes, go back and take a look of the offers Roy extended in those classes, Roy was involved with the top talent of those classes but they elected to go elsewhere. Anyone want to recall WHY Roy struggled to even as much as get recruits to visit us during that time frame?
As for jalek, well I will go with what 75 offered, asofter words that I would use and softer is better now.
Good grief.
1. No shade was tossed.
2. I was responding to a post that gave the total list. It makes zero sense for me to talk about all of them - when my point was to talk about those we still have.
We all know you like to hear yourself talk - NTTAWWT - but why not respond to the points, or raise your own, rather than lead off with an off-base criticism.
This is not a political board. Those are troll tactics and have no place here.
LOLOLOL now that was good for a jolly ole laugh! LOL
Oh my, did I get personal with you, do not think I did, I certainly didn't stoop so low as to accuse you of just wanting to hear yourself talk. While you tossed shade at Roy for recruiting you seem to need to throw the whole lamp at me? Funny stuff for sure, you get paid for your comedy or just offer it for free? LOL I am a bit amazed that you felt the need to add in the bit about this not being a political board, at what point did I in any way mention politics? The fact is I fairly responded to what you said, I in no way insulted you by word or intent, it is you that chose the low road...
As for making a point, about the only point it seems you are trying to make is that things have changed for us, does not read as if you suggest they have changed for the better? Simply put the more talented of those classes left early, earlier than was expected and we have been left with a larger than typical number of role players that are not as gifted talent wise that as well sat behind guys that were more talented so they did not gain the playing time experience they needed to be ready now. Does in no way say this current collection of players is not able to play at a high level, simply means they are as we see taking more time to come together as a unit. That this will turn around should not be a doubt, history proves that. BTW, that is UNC sports history I was referring to and not political history...LOLOLOL
You used to be a good poster who resisted the pissing contests.
Now you start them.
Your post might have been fine if you had skipped the opening attack. But I'll never know, because the opening attack is as far as I read.
As for you liking to hear yourself talk, ask anyone on this board. And, as I said, NTTAWWT.
