Leaky

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Well, as you say there are lots of moving parts in that scenario. All I can offer is to (ideally) simplify things by saying Jalek should be our 30+ minute 2018-19 PG, and from that point I would hope that takes him away from the 2.

The question will be who backs him up. 7th has some experience, Coby can play there if needed, and truth be known Andrew is more of a natural at it then either. Either way, hopefully we're only talking 8-10 MPG.

I stick by my assessment that Leaky is ideally a 3, and as for Coby, he's an elite scorer so he's gonna play a lot as a freshman.

Some were depicting Seventh as an elite scorer, too, but he didn't play much with Berry and Nate ahead of him. Maybe Coby is better than we thought Seventh was, but he will still be competing against Jalek, Seventh, Kenny and Andrew for PT.

Relying on your assessment of Jalek, there won't be a lot of minutes for Coby at PG - where he will have to battle Seventh for that time. And you can be sure Kenny and Seventh will be trying to get all the minutes they can at SG. And that's assuming neither Leaky nor Brandon is gunning for those minutes.

It should be fun to watch. Especially since, by then, our bigs should know what they are doing (and we'll know what to expect from them).

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I expect better D from Platek than Wood ever gave though! He makes up for his foot speed with positioning, will, and anticipation. I think he actually is a better shooter too so we might have a hidden gem here!

That's what I'm hoping.

As for Wood, he got decent on D. Never really fast enough but he put on muscle and had a good BB IQ, so he got beat less than his speed and athleticism might predict.

Wood hurt us frequently. Not enough to let State win very often, but enough that I remember him as a tough competitor.

If you are a Pomeroy subscriber, check these box scores against us when he was a senior:

http://kenpom.com/box.php?g=4613&y=2013

http://kenpom.com/box.php?g=3384&y=2013

 

[gunslingerdick]

Leaky and Coby come on board a team with these guys vying for PG and wings:

SR - Kenny
JR - Seventh
JR - Brandon
SO - Jalek
SO - Andrew

We'll know better after the upcoming season is under way, but I'm assuming our main backcourt rotation will be Jalek-Seventh-Kenny, with spot duty by Andrew. Brandon and (hopefully) Jairus will man SF.

So my question is how do Black and White slot into the lineup?

If we don't land Jairus or another SF, it sounds like Leaky will find good PT at SF, if he develops in that direction. Meanwhile Coby will be fighting for scarce PT at SG and PG.

When Leaky and Coby are sophomores, Kenny will have graduated and either or both of Jalek or Seventh could be gone. So they should have plenty of playing time by then. But it isn't easy to see much for them as frosh, unless we don't land Jairus or someone similar.

I imagine the depth chart in 2018-2019 will look like this:

PG - Felton, Woods
SG - Williams, White, Platek
SF - BRob, *Hamilton, Black

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Even at his best Wood was an inconsistent defender. He had lapses and was often late to either switch or recover. He did improve a great deal going from horrible to tolerable, lol! I think Platek is starting at a higher defensive level mostly because he wants to play good D!

Not a Kenpom subscriber or believer so I have to go on memory!

 

[gary-7]

Even at his best Wood was an inconsistent defender. He had lapses and was often late to either switch or recover. He did improve a great deal going from horrible to tolerable, lol! I think Platek is starting at a higher defensive level mostly because he wants to play good D!

Andrew is indeed a very willing defender who will need to improve his lateral quickness in the colllege strength program, which i'm sure he will. I'll give 7th a break because he too is known to be a willing defender, but yes, he had several lapses. Some of that could be attributed to not being physically 100%. But like many freshmen he also needed to improve on gap integrity, switches and help-D.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Even at his best Wood was an inconsistent defender. He had lapses and was often late to either switch or recover. He did improve a great deal going from horrible to tolerable, lol! I think Platek is starting at a higher defensive level mostly because he wants to play good D!

Not a Kenpom subscriber or believer so I have to go on memory!

12 and 19 points, 151 and 163 ORtg in those 2 games against us. He ended the year shooting 44% from deep, 91% from the FT line and ranked 10th in the nation in TS%.

It will be great if Andrew is a better defender than Wood, but I like the idea that he may be a sharpshooter like Wood.

 

[gary-7]

It will be great if Andrew is a better defender than Wood, but I like the idea that he may be a sharpshooter like Wood.

I've said it before, I love Andrew's game. A lot of Bobby Frasor with a sweet deep stroke.

I suspect his freshman PT will be much like BRob's last season --- early season chances to show out and spot duty thereafter. But I'll tell ya, if God forbid someone goes down, I feel really good about what the young fella can bring to the table.

He obviously comes in as a Wing, but I saw him step in and play PG live and it looked like he'd been doing it his whole life. He will be a versatile asset here for 4 years, and remember, he reclassified so he is a year older than most frosh and should bring a level of maturity.

 

[Ozheelfan]

I've said it before, I love Andrew's game. A lot of Bobby Frasor with a sweet deep stroke.

I suspect his freshman PT will be much like BRob's last season --- early season chances to show out and spot duty thereafter. But I'll tell ya, if God forbid someone goes down, I feel really good about what the young fella can bring to the table.

He obviously comes in as a Wing, but I saw him step in and play PG live and it looked like he'd been doing it his whole life. He will be a versatile asset here for 4 years, and remember, he reclassified so he is a year older than most frosh and should bring a level of maturity.

Thanks Gary. And on top of all those skills he must have a ton of charm..... based on a quick look at his instagram (smoking hot girlfriend alert)

 

[pln2013]

Nobody should expect Platek to be close to Wood as a shooter. Wood was a high-volume, high-percentage shooter with good height, a quick release, and the ability to hit shots coming around screens.

Platek has shown no signs of being in Wood's league as a shooter. Unrealistic expectations lead to disappointment.

 

[Heeelz46]

Platek has shown no signs of being in Wood's league as a shooter. Unrealistic expectations lead to disappointment.[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

 

[gary-7]

Nobody should expect Platek to be close to Wood as a shooter. Wood was a high-volume, high-percentage shooter with good height, a quick release, and the ability to hit shots coming around screens.

Platek has shown no signs of being in Wood's league as a shooter. Unrealistic expectations lead to disappointment.

There is no reason to expect he won't either. No one knows til he actually plays in college but if you look at his mechanics there is nothing that suggests he won't excel as a shooter here.

 

[Heeelz46]

Kenny Williams has even better mechanics and it hasn't translated yet. There's more to being a great shooter than that.

 

[gary-7]

Kenny Williams has even better mechanics and it hasn't translated yet. There's more to being a great shooter than that.

Of course there's more to it. And Kenny's mechanics have fluctuated some unfortunately but he still may step up and reach his potential. Last season got cut short for him and confidence is his biggest thing

Andrew actually does some things better than Kenny in his mechanics, especially in his preshot routine and receiving the ball. Again, there's no reason to think he won't become an excellent shooter in college.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Of course there's more to it. And Kenny's mechanics have fluctuated some unfortunately but he still may step up and reach his potential. Last season got cut short for him and confidence is his biggest thing

Andrew actually does some things better than Kenny in his mechanics, especially in his preshot routine and receiving the ball. Again, there's no reason to think he won't become an excellent shooter in college.

What I liked most about Kenny's shot in HS was his high release. I wondered how that would translate to the college game.

Unfortunately only taking 93 treys in 2 years, you rarely even get warmed up. I hope he's 100% and has a chance to develop further in the off season. He has competition who want his minutes.

 

[gary-7]

What I liked most about Kenny's shot in HS was his high release. I wondered how that would translate to the college game.

Unfortunately only taking 93 treys in 2 years, you rarely even get warmed up. I hope he's 100% and has a chance to develop further in the off season. He has competition who want his minutes.

For real, and he did get into a jag of bending his back too much, but yeah, when he showed that high release it was pretty and effective.

I SMH at how some seem too willing to forget that KW has only played a season and a half in Chapel Hill, and was only in a big role for that "half". Confidence and repetition can do wonders and this is a big summer for him. Here's hoping he stays healthy.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I'm on the KW bandwagon. I think he showed flashes of a potential breakout season with his confidence, stroke, and intense D. He seems to have good mechanics and plenty of athleticism. Hopefully, he is mentally and physically able to finally realize his potential! He may well lock down the 2 spot and this would give our perimeter youngsters time to develop properly instead of being shoved into the fire right away.

Platek will most likely get spot duty this season, but I love the fact that we can trust him to come in when needed to provide a shooter or willing distributor. I'm excited by the idea that BRob, Felton, and 7th also bring some potential for greatness next season. If the stars align, we will have another fun season!

BTW: I have no idea what ORtg (is it supposed to calculate some type of comparison of value/replacement?) or TS% mean, lol!

 

[pln2013]

There is no reason to expect he won't either. No one knows til he actually plays in college but if you look at his mechanics there is nothing that suggests he won't excel as a shooter here.

Sure there is. The stronger the claim, the stronger the evidence required.

Platek being a comparable shooter to Wood - an outstanding college shooter in terms of both volume, percentage, and difficulty - is a very strong claim. And there isn't much evidence to support it.

Wood's worst college season in terms of 3pt% was 37% in his first year. Every other year he shot at least 41% (on high volume). Platek shot 35% from 3 this year in HS; 37% last year. And he's shorter and has a slower release. Wood was a ~90% FT shooter his last 3 years. Platek hasn't ever come close to that.

Could Platek be as good as Wood as a shooter? Sure, why not. But it's in no way a reasonable expectation.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Sure there is. The stronger the claim, the stronger the evidence required.

Platek being a comparable shooter to Wood - an outstanding college shooter in terms of both volume, percentage, and difficulty - is a very strong claim. And there isn't much evidence to support it.

Wood's worst college season in terms of 3pt% was 37% in his first year. Every other year he shot at least 41% (on high volume). Platek shot 35% from 3 this year in HS; 37% last year. And he's shorter and has a slower release. Wood was a ~90% FT shooter his last 3 years. Platek hasn't ever come close to that.

Could Platek be as good as Wood as a shooter? Sure, why not. But it's in no way a reasonable expectation.

You are fighting too hard on this. I look at Andrew and listen to the comments from people who know his game a lot better than I do and I am reminded of Scott Wood. And I would be happy to have a guy like Scott Wood on our team - a 3* top-200 guy who develops first into a decent outside threat and eventually into an elite outside threat and a decent all-around player.

Nobody is saying he IS Scott Wood. We are just identifying someone Andrew makes us think of, and being optimistic he could have a similar kind of impact on our team, given time.

I don't know about you, but I try to be optimistic about all our new guys. And when they remind you of other players, that helps me get a feel for how they might perform for us. So, for example, some of us looked at Brice and saw that quick elevation and were reminded of Antawn Jamison. We didn't say he WAS Antawn, but that was our point of reference.

That said, I appreciate you providing those HS numbers on Andrew. From comments I've read, I was expecting better. As long as we are going to do this comparison, do you have HS numbers for Wood?

 

[DSouthr]

You are fighting too hard on this. I look at Andrew and listen to the comments from people who know his game a lot better than I do and I am reminded of Scott Wood. And I would be happy to have a guy like Scott Wood on our team - a 3* top-200 guy who develops first into a decent outside threat and eventually into an elite outside threat and a decent all-around player.

Nobody is saying he IS Scott Wood. We are just identifying someone Andrew makes us think of, and being optimistic he could have a similar kind of impact on our team, given time.

I don't know about you, but I try to be optimistic about all our new guys. And when they remind you of other players, that helps me get a feel for how they might perform for us. So, for example, some of us looked at Brice and saw that quick elevation and were reminded of Antawn Jamison. We didn't say he WAS Antawn, but that was our point of reference.

That said, I appreciate you providing those HS numbers on Andrew. From comments I've read, I was expecting better. As long as we are going to do this comparison, do you have HS numbers for Wood?

I don't really see the Scott Wood comparison to Platek, I am more on board with the comparison to Bobby, thou I do see Platek as more a 2 and Bobby was more a PG. Wood was more a 3/4, maybe better compared to Luke IMO.

I get the sense that a couple are trying to make the case that because Scott Wood shot well from the trey in college and Andrew didn't shoot for a similar % while in high school that the conclusion some how is Andrew can't shoot? Rather than say they did not agree with the Wood comparison they seemed to need to take a shot at Andrew? The kid has yet to play his first college game, how folks can project him as not being able to shoot in college is strange to hear from a Tar Heel fan.

Platek is a gym rat, he will work his butt off to get as good as he can be, I think we should all give him a chance and see what he can do. I am not expecting a lot from him next season but before he leaves UNC, I do think he will become a solid role player for us.

 

[UNC&ME]

Wood was a starter and got plenty of opportunities..Platek may become better shooter via %, but not by volume unless there are injuries...he could be better but ride the pine...Wood has a history-Platek is a "hope' as of now

 

[gary-7]

Sure there is. The stronger the claim, the stronger the evidence required.

Platek being a comparable shooter to Wood - an outstanding college shooter in terms of both volume, percentage, and difficulty - is a very strong claim. And there isn't much evidence to support it.

Wood's worst college season in terms of 3pt% was 37% in his first year. Every other year he shot at least 41% (on high volume). Platek shot 35% from 3 this year in HS; 37% last year. And he's shorter and has a slower release. Wood was a ~90% FT shooter his last 3 years. Platek hasn't ever come close to that.

Could Platek be as good as Wood as a shooter? Sure, why not. But it's in no way a reasonable expectation.

There are many prolific HS shooters who don't pan out and many just decent shooters who blossom. I know mechanics and Andrew does not have a slow release, BTW. As a freind who coached against him in AAU accurately put it, his shoulders are already square before the ball gets to him. In other words he's ready to start his shooting motion before the defender can react to the catch.

You can choose to be negative if you like, but you also just properly contradicted that at the end. Neither you nor I know how prolific he will be, and in any case, nobody here needs anyone to tell us about expectations. With a recruit it's all about potential until he gets here. There are few "sure things". Scott Wood wasn't and neither is Andrew. Scott turned out to be a terrific college shooter for sure ---- a one-trick pony as a player, but still, an excellent shooter. Andrew has the potential to be an excellent college shooter as well, but that is something only time will tell.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

My favorite part of Platek's game is he chose to be a Tar Heel! I also like his shot, D, attitude, work ethic, and coachability! I expect him to grow quickly and ,if needed, to provide spot duty off the bench. Given the choice, I would take Platek over Wood every time-the D is the difference maker!

 

[dadika13]

There are many prolific HS shooters who don't pan out and many just decent shooters who blossom. I know mechanics and Andrew does not have a slow release, BTW. As a freind who coached against him in AAU accurately put it, his shoulders are already square before the ball gets to him. In other words he's ready to start his shooting motion before the defender can react to the catch.

Yeah - slow is not the word for Andrew's shot release. My concern, and I've voiced it on here before, is that it starts very low. That can cause some issues getting it up over a 6'5'' wing defender.

That said, it's not TOO difficult of an adjustment.

 

[RoseHeel]

I love the idea of Platek being that 3 point marksmen. We haven't had one of those guys in a while, and K Will hasn't been able to showcase that skill due to injury.

Hopefully he doesn't have the slump either.

 

[Steat]

Leaky's mom's twitter entry talking about Leaky playing pick-up with UNC legends and current players.....The Carolina Way does not get any better than this folks.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Tar Heel Way is alive and well!

 

[dadika13]

Don't bring that soft stuff in here Luke!

 

[FlaTarHeel]

Love his elevation by smacking Luke's shot against the glass.

 

[Archer2]

Kid's a baller.

 

[ohio tarheels]

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Don't bring that soft stuff in here Luke!

That might be called Goaltending!!! Lol
It's cool that he's out there with those other guys being taught already

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Sure be nice if everybody simply gave our kids a chance before condemning them.

He MAY turn out to be much better than Woods, we simply don't know at this point.

 

[dadika13]

Sure be nice if everybody simply gave our kids a chance before condemning them.

He MAY turn out to be much better than Woods, we simply don't know at this point.

Who has condemned him? We expressed concern over his struggles last season and early this summer...and at the same time pretty much everyone has also said they still expect big things from Leaky.

We're having a reasonable discussion and you still seem to get very sensitive. I don't get it.

 

[RP12]

Maybe Mike took it as Platek vs Seventh instead of Scott Wood as it was intended?

 

[DSouthr]

For real, and he did get into a jag ofics falter bending his back too much, but yeah, when he showed that high release it was pretty and effective.

I SMH at how some seem too willing to forget that KW has only played a season and a half in Chapel Hill, and was only in a big role for that "half". Confidence and repetition can do wonders and this is a big summer for him. Here's hoping he stays healthy.

Yep, Kenny fell in to the fall away habit, he was rushing his shot and his mechanics faltered, it was easy to see. We discussed it several times so the claim about his mechanics being sound just is not correct. It is like a baseball hitter, gets hits because his form is great but gets in a slump loses his confidence in his form and begins to tweek things and his mechanics falter.

Just needs to work on his pre-shot footwork, being more ready to shoot when he receives the ball, going straight up, and follow thru. He both knows that and is working on this over this off season.