Longo must Go!
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who are some of these big time programs with devoted fans that have never had a string of 3 good football teams and only once had a string of 2 good football teams?
I don't understand our WR development. The 3 frosh were all here in January and somehow by end of October they still aren't ready to play. Downs came last January and incredibly he only played in the bowl game because Dyami sat out. We obviously had an amazing O but how in hell could we not figure out how to play him woth Dyami and Dazz.
We have no idea if the frosh area ready to play as we haven't seen them get any reps in a game.
That is the kind of question that Mack may not like anyone asking, because answers always lead you to casting doubt on player development, and that means you are questioning whether position coaches are the best we could get.
Other than Chizik, which was still no where near SEC elite $$, UNC s has never been a "bring out the checkbook" program. And it's not that UNC couldn't pay more. We likelt didn't want to step too much on bball toes and have wanted to avoid being perceived as "win at all cost". Heck, for many years, UNC hid the true salaries of our coaches.
Larry’s staff was great at finding and developing offensive talent. Too bad they sucked at defense. Wish we had him back as OC.
He did after just a few games. Aranda brought him in as OC but a guy from LSU as passing coordinator. They ran two different systems and it wasn’t work. Aranda got rid of them both last year prematurely IMO. Larry had plenty of faults. But the man knows offense
It isn't like Fed was bringing in 5* offensively though. I don't think Mack's offensive recruiting has been a step down at all in star quality. Fed spread just ID'd, developed, or highlighted upper 3* (like Michael Carter, Bug Howard, Switzer, etc). TJ Logan and Elijah Hood were studs, Trubisky too, but I think they were more the exception.
some offense stats (given that stats are sometimes misleading and different sites have slightly different numbers)
Year Total Offense Rank Total Offense Yards Total Scoring Rank Total Scoring Points
2021 13 471.3 13 36.9
2020 5 537.0 10 41.0
2019 12 468.8 39 31.2
2018 38 420.9 85 25.2
2017 103 347.6 102 22.5
2016 49 428.7 5 29.4
2015 17 482.2 9 39.7
2014 43 429.0 41 31.3
2013 66 401.1 61 28.8
2012 14 482.1 10 38.6
Year Total Offense Rank Total Offense Yards Total Scoring Rank Total Scoring Points
2021 13 471.3 13 36.9
2020 5 537.0 10 41.0
2019 12 468.8 39 31.2
2018 38 420.9 85 25.2
2017 103 347.6 102 22.5
2016 49 428.7 5 29.4
2015 17 482.2 9 39.7
2014 43 429.0 41 31.3
2013 66 401.1 61 28.8
2012 14 482.1 10 38.6
I don't think you must have "the best we could get" if you have coaches that know what the problems are and know how to fix them. After seven games we still have entirely too much "fixing" to do. Draw your own conclusions.
So, what I see is that despite our crappy OL and inconsistent receivers, the last 3 years we've been as good or better in yards and scoring than we were under Fed. A lot of that this year is thanks to Sam of course.
that's my takeaway too @TarHeelMark and it surprised me to be honest. i think it shows that an offense will be as good as it's QB and sam is certainly proving it this season. we felt like our offense under fed was elite and it was really good (except for the last 2 seasons but every season counts) but the offense under longo has been better (overall and on average). there are probably some stats that show a different story but from a yardage and points perspective this is it.
Longo has always racked up yards and points. That was never a question. It’s what his offense does when faced with comparable or better talent. His offense relies on guys beating their opponent.
I wonder what his numbers look like against top 25 teams compared to unranked teams. Not sure if those numbers are out there. I'm guessing there is a really big difference.
Going to be a little skewed as last year, VT, Miami and State, were all ranked when we played all 3 of them and put up 56, 48 and 62. The others in the last 3 years were Clemson (scored 20), Texas A&M (scored 27) and Notre Dame (scored 17).
I would say it would be better to use final poll instead of what they were ranked at the time. That should help smooth things out.
At some point I might look for this. But Ole Miss fans told us before he got here that he feasted on lesser competition and struggled against talented teams. We haven’t scored well against any good to great team we’ve played since he’s been here. We haven’t really beater a good team either.
Yards per play is a good metric too. And the last few yrs with Sam have been strong there:
2021 - 23rd
2020 - 5th
2019 - 32nd
2015 - 2nd - Trubisky, Hood, Logan
As someone said, QB is key to a good O. Add an RB duo like Carter/Javonte and a WR duo like Dazz/Dyami and it is hard NOT to accumulate yards on points on the season as a whole with an ACC schedule.
2021 - 23rd
2020 - 5th
2019 - 32nd
2015 - 2nd - Trubisky, Hood, Logan
As someone said, QB is key to a good O. Add an RB duo like Carter/Javonte and a WR duo like Dazz/Dyami and it is hard NOT to accumulate yards on points on the season as a whole with an ACC schedule.
i think there's generally going to be a difference in stats when you're playing better competition but i doubt there's going to be much a difference between longo's numbers and fed's numbers in that perspective. and i don't think there's a significant difference in our schedule over the years - do you think it's been an easier schedule for mack than for fed? and there's something lost when you slice and dice the numbers finer and finer with such a small sample size (11 or 12 games a season). some games just turn into shoot outs (like the UVA game this season) and some turn into slug fests (maybe a bad weather game). if someone has the time and desire to breakdown the offense stats further i'd be happy - and there's probably more to the story. on the surface at least, i don't see the significant dropoff under longo that some imply is there (though there are a few things i wish he would improve on)
Those 4 offensive studs we lost were responsible for over 400 yards and 26 pts / game. Impossible to replace that with new guys. BUT If we just had one more reliable WR this year... big IF, I know.
if the O line was just comparable to last season and beau was healthy we would be much better OR if we had figured out these were going to be issues and hit the portal or developed someone we would be too. just having beau would really help
Of course there's going to be a difference. I'm sure even Alabama has a difference. What is important is the size. I'm guessing it's pretty big compared to other top teams. Fed's numbers are irrelevant.
strength of schedule
2021 (to date)- 51st
2020 39th
2019 46th
2018 59
2017 52
2016 29
2015 29
2014 45
2013 46
2012 70
2021 (to date)- 51st
2020 39th
2019 46th
2018 59
2017 52
2016 29
2015 29
2014 45
2013 46
2012 70
Oline is the same this year as last. They just don’t have two elite backs covering for them
first of all, we don't play many top 25 teams - so there won't be much to take from this analysis. but if someone did the analysis i'd be surprised if we're that different than other top teams (who probably play their backups more in those games than we do). the fed numbers are there because many seem to think we were much better on offense under fed than we have been under longo (but in the big picture i agree with you, fed's numbers are irrelevant - only matters what we're doing now)
100% agree with this and think the injury might even be partly a coaching mistake. how do you let your only experienced WR get within a couple of weeks before the season before realizing he needs surgery from an injury that happened last season.
pretty much so but the backs don't account for all the pass block issues and sacks. sure the threat of a better running game and better blocking RBs would help but our O line has looked completely overwhelmed at times this season. but agree they're about the same as last season
Good point on the backs and blocking. I haven’t really watched to see how good they are because it’s usually a jail break of defenders chasing Sam. It’s beeen disappointing
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