Man how lucky are we
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you're late to the party, numbnuts. If you're interested in my views on the Civil War, search is your friend. Probably your only one.
ETA but just because I'm feeling charitable today, I'll allow that the gif is a reference to the very in-depth discussion I have had with those who simple-mindedly believe that the war was fought over slavery.
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apparently we wouldn't be concerned about Russian troops massing for an invasion of Ukraine, because they didn't do that while Trump was in charge.
you can take it up the ass for all I care.
I don't remember NATO doing much to slow down the annexation of Crimea 2014 despite technically viewing it as an invasion and occupation. And I think part of that was because there were many people in Crimea who aligned themselves more with Russia than Ukraine, including some high ranking officials or military folks. There were separatists in a few other areas of Ukraine which stuck with Ukraine if I recall.
So there's been a bit of a revolution in ukraine, plus there are clearly lots of folks separatists.
Putin is lining up tanks, but also working from the inside...
Are you forgetting about Trump's reckless behavior in 2019 when he froze $391 million in vital security assistance for the Ukrainian government as part of his lame-ass conspiracy over Hunter Biden in an effort to win the 2020 election, and his cancelling of the White House visit by the newly-elected Ukrainian president intended to demonstrate to Moscow that he had the U.S.'s support? Or are you simply ignoring that page of recent history?
what they are doing is classic destabilization, something we have practiced a good amount ourselves. What Putin is looking for is a pretext for moving in, and it won't take a very strong excuse for him to do so, so it needs to be countered very strongly. Yada yada.
All I was trying to determine is what you meant by 'flipping easily'. I guess you meant that the takeover of Crimea was accomplished pretty readily with relatively little complaint from the rest of the world, which is what I thought and which is true..
You probably haven't noticed, but your brain seems to be wired to provide the answers you want to provide, without much regard for the actual questions you are asked.
would that be like your forgetting that Biden threatened to withhold mega-aid to Ukraine if they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating his son's Ukrainian employer, and then bragged openly about doing so? It's obvious you're ignoring the fact that there were no troops massed at Ukraine's border when Trump was in office. And implying that Trump froze that aid is dishonest, he just delayed it...deliberately, but then he never threatened to ultimately withhold it like Biden did. He asked for an investigation of what surely would have been investigated in any other country, i.e. the vice-president apparently leveraging his son a cushy job...but he was impeached for doing so by the crooked and treasonous dems.
Why don't you leave and come back when you're not an idiot, which of course would be never.
Joe Biden was working to oust Viktor Shokin because Shokin was turning a blind eye to the corruption among the country's politicians, which American and European diplomats had been asking for, moron.
No one here is a bigger idiot than you, Pluto.
so you and a lot of other liberal idiots say, moron. I can't argue because I don't know, but because I don't know I will maintain skepticism. On the other hand, what about Biden threatening to withhold congressionally -approved funds if he didn't get what he wanted? Did you forget to address that? When you do, please explain how his threat to freeze funds was acceptable while Trump's delay was not. Don't say because Trump's was politically motivated because you don't know that any more than I know Biden wasn't acting out of legitimate concerns. Either way, threatening to withhold funds is not allowable and Trump didn't do it while Biden did.
My suggestion remains.
There has never been any evidence suggesting Shokin or the Ukrainian government was undertaking criminal investigations against Joe or Hunter Biden. If you have such evidence, please share it.
Trump was successfully impeached by Congress for his actions. There wasn't any public consideration, even by GOP leaders, about impeaching or censuring Vice President Biden for his actions.
That doesn't change the fact that he was impeached. TWICE!
Both acquittals merely meant he could remain in office.
* his Ukraine company was being investigated, and the fact that the Bidens were NOT being investigated is why Trump asked for an investigation. DUH.
**Trump was successfully impeached by the House because it was controlled by the treasonous dems I previously referenced. Biden was not molested because the setup with his son was not fully known until Trump became president, and because the GOP doesn't play the games that the unethical dems do Thirdly, we know what happened when Trump tried to do something about it.
both acquittals actually meant that the impeachments were a politically-motivated dem sham, which most of us with an IQ greater than 100 knew from the beginning. Sorry you're in the other group.
Just knowing you are a fan of Pelosi, Schiff, The Squad, Swalwell, Nadler, and such ilk says all anyone needs to know about you.
Thank you for conceding the fact that there was no investigation of the Bidens. If you do find any relevant facts to support your wild, left-field claims, please don't hesitate to come forward with them.
Bullshit. The entire educated public knows it was the shameless acquittals, particularly the second one, by the Republican-controlled Senate that wore the stench of corruption.
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from my first post referencing the matter..."would that be like your forgetting that Biden threatened to withhold mega-aid to Ukraine if they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating his son's Ukrainian employer,..."
AGAIN, I never said there was an investigation of the Bidens, dolt, so what would I be conceding? AGAIN, there was an investigation of the company that Biden's idiot son was set up with. That is not a left field claim, it's a generally known fact. That investigation was not active at the time of Biden's lawbreaking over the funds, but the investigation was also not closed.
Your second paragraph is just hogwash. If there was any valid reason for the impeachment, it wouldn't have been treated like the joke that it was.
ROFL. Guess you held your nose when looking at what Biden actually bragged about and the proceedings in the house.
Not at all.
When Biden made clear his demands, then-President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk called Joe's bluff and told him he had no authority over the matter. Little did they know that Obama completely entrusted Joe Biden with all dealings with Ukraine and Joe was in fact the senior policy leader by that time, so they ended up eating their words and giving ol' Joe precisely what he asked for to begin with. Give 'em hell, Joe!!
By the way, stranger, you misspelled "dook," and in your username, no less.
how hypocritical of you to rationalize away the illegal act of the lawbreaker you favor while condemning the act of his political opponent for doing almost the same thing. I say almost, because the other guy Trump did not threaten to withhold funds, and he asked...not demanded...for an understandable action to take place. And he didn't brag openly and with extreme arrogance about having done it.
Thanks for pointing out that possibly the worst president in history (I put LBJ at no. 1 in that regard) approved of and supported this sleezeball and his sleezy act. Funny how the dem didn't get impeached for an even more egregious act than the conservative President was accused of.
Funny how a hypocrite can look at the same thing and think two completely opposite ways about it. Not funny how that's par for the course for an entire political party.
One was done in concerted agreement across US gov and European governments to thwart corruption in Ukraine. The other parts of US gov and the European gov that wanted Shokin taken down didn't care whether or not Hunter had any remote involvement. The same action would've happened regardless of Hunter even being alive.
The other was for personal gain (to further his professional-political prospects).
you don't get to imprint your opinion on an illegal act. What Biden did was illegal, even if you think God was for it. Period. What Trump did was NOT illegal, no matter how much you want to couch it within your political mindset.
Libs will twist themselves into pretzels trying to fit something into their own version of the truth.
LOL.
Biden carried out official US policy, yet i'm the one imprinting opinions on legality.
the executive branch has no authority to impound funds authorized by Congress. The threat to do so is illegal, regardless of how globally popular such an action might be. It can however delay those funds. The former is what Biden did, the latter is what Trump did.
