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Curious to whose minutes you feel he will get moving forward? Styles, but he hasn't got many hisself to this point?
Where from?
I don't see much run for Justin aside from blowouts.
He has another year of eligibility and I said this Summer that I think McKoy will use that opportunity to play as A Grad transfer next season.
Agreed, ya never know, but I would think his path would only get harder when Puff and Washington get the green light for action.
I think he is, and Styles should probably be concerned too unless he starts showing a niche skill to bring to the table. Rebounding/ Motor?
But he did get an opportunity as predicted. I think he did enough to build on if he puts in the work. The addition of Puff and Washington will change the entire team dynamic. McKoy better get to it immediately; peeps will need to play hard to keep their spots; both players play with joy, passion, and energy; both add skill and coachability! The team is moving, albeit more slowly than I really like, toward the proper trajectory and I expect these guys to be the catalysts that put us over the top! McKoy and Styles will either step up or have another difficult learning experience. I believe they will rise to the occasion!
No offense, but he’s terrible. He doesn’t deserve a spot in the rotation.
Hubert has consistently shared, every player will get a chance, he does not know when that chance will be but when they do get their chance to play they have to produce. If they do produce their PT will increase, see the increase in Nickel and Trimble's minutes for an examples. But on the other hand, don't produce and those ops will be less frequent, example is Styles right now, I think Maybe McKoy is added to that after last night. It ain't personal and it ain't about how you played in spots last season, it is here and now, this season, games being played now and Styles & Mckoy have not shown much. Dunn has done some nice things with his ops but he is in a tuff spot for minutes especially considering Trimble has given us something really important defensively as well as actively looking to play at a really nice pace. It is a thing of Dunn has been better than expected but Trimble is giving us something this team really needs.
If we stay healthy, I don't see a lot of time for McKoy or Styles, I did find it interesting that Hubert went to McKoy rather than Styles late game when things were in a bit of doubt, that did show me a lack of trust in Styles at the 4. But when Puff and Washington are full go, that dynamic switches quick because Washington will become the first big off the bench (playing the 4 or 5, mostly the 4 I think) and Puff is the guy directly behind Leaky at the 3 as well as fill in at the 4 at times.
If we stay healthy, I don't see a lot of time for McKoy or Styles, I did find it interesting that Hubert went to McKoy rather than Styles late game when things were in a bit of doubt, that did show me a lack of trust in Styles at the 4. But when Puff and Washington are full go, that dynamic switches quick because Washington will become the first big off the bench (playing the 4 or 5, mostly the 4 I think) and Puff is the guy directly behind Leaky at the 3 as well as fill in at the 4 at times.
He won't contribute much to the box score. Hopefully he's a good screener, good hedger on defense, and draws the occasional charge. Limited player. Unrealistic to expect a lot out of him. That shouldn't be his role unless players above him get hurt.
i am surprised with Styles to this point, figured he would be a contributor.
Styles defense in these limited opportunities has been really deficient.
To be honest, he looks shorter/ smaller on TV than I remember from last season.
He is not skilled enough to play the 2 or even 3 right now, and may not be big enough to play the 4.
Writing is on the wall in my opinion, and I hate saying this because he really wants to be a Tar Heel.
One of the more important lessons we learn in this life is that you discover that some of the things you think you really want are just not in the cards for you. This challenge for Styles may be more than he can handle, time will tell.
You are right…..Styles do have that Kinston blood in him….so I shouldn’t dismiss him so easily.
Styles just have to remember where he’s from….Kinston….K-Town…. “we earn ours from the mud” that attitude will get him to where he wants to be.
I like Styles as a player, I think he is really talented, nice athletics but we do have to take a reality check with him. The kid's game, the position he naturally gravitates to is the 4, not the 3. He just has not shown that he is a great jump shooter and to be fair our starting 3 is not a great jump shooter either but Leaky gives so much to this team in other ways not labeled jump shooting, Styles has not done that. Yes Styles did hit a big time trey in the post season that was key to our win, being a sub-standard jump shooter does not mean one will not go in for you from time to time just like being a great jump shooter does not mean nothing will clank off the rim.
So if Styles is a 4 then he is a under sized 4 at around 6'6-7" and decent reach. But at the 4 we have Nance at 6'10" and reach over 7ft, we are about to have Washington at 6'9" and a 7'5" reach, Puff at 6'8" with 7ft reach and really strong motor, not to mention guys like Nickel, McKoy, and even Shaver that can fill in the spot. That is just a lot of length to contend with for a under sized 4 to get PT. Keep in mind, Washington nor Puff have played yet and Styles minutes have already fallen hard and those 2 are just going to get good minutes when they are available.
It is not so much that Styles can not play, it is way more about those contending for PT at positions Styles can play are just so darn talented. Here is the main question, what special skill or trait does Styles give us that we do not get from players ahead of him in the rotation? Sorry but I will have to let you know when I can think of one...
So if Styles is a 4 then he is a under sized 4 at around 6'6-7" and decent reach. But at the 4 we have Nance at 6'10" and reach over 7ft, we are about to have Washington at 6'9" and a 7'5" reach, Puff at 6'8" with 7ft reach and really strong motor, not to mention guys like Nickel, McKoy, and even Shaver that can fill in the spot. That is just a lot of length to contend with for a under sized 4 to get PT. Keep in mind, Washington nor Puff have played yet and Styles minutes have already fallen hard and those 2 are just going to get good minutes when they are available.
It is not so much that Styles can not play, it is way more about those contending for PT at positions Styles can play are just so darn talented. Here is the main question, what special skill or trait does Styles give us that we do not get from players ahead of him in the rotation? Sorry but I will have to let you know when I can think of one...
DSouth you are too down on Styles….I think he needs consistent minutes to establish a rhythm. Maybe his confidence will grow too. His potential must be developed by playing time. Or else..he’s gone to the portal after the season.
I hate it when Family cannot thrive. No matter why it happens, I don't like it! If he tightens his handle, and develops his shot or his mid-range game, I think his native athleticism could find him a niche. The glut at his best 2 positions is his biggest issue as D said because that is the one he can't "develop" his way out of!~
I've always been curious about Styles. I didn't really follow his recruiting, or Dunn's. Do either of those guys have basketball skills? Not asking about how high they can jump, their size/wingspan, their 40 time, their shuttle time. Not saying those things don't matter. But can Styles or Dunn do anything skillful? And by skill, I don't mean just shooting or passing or handling. Is he good screener at least? Does he understand screen and roll offense as a screener? Is he instinctual on both ends?
Basketball is somewhat positionless anyway (maybe less so at UNC) so I don't care as much if either are tweaners.
It's just really hard to be a consistent contributor if you don't have offensive skills. If these guys are offensive zeroes, then we're going to have the same discussions about them all season long.
Dunn can shoot it. He can score at a D‐1 level. Styles can finish, needs to hone some of the skill set to get into position to use that offensive skill though.
Agree with all of this, but they have to be given a chance. I’d hate to lose either.
I try to imagine if they played for GW, UNCW, or CofC, they’d definitely start, get 25+ minutes & maybe light us up. We have to give them a chance. Would the top guys on those 3 teams crack a 10 man rotation for UNC? Serious question, would we be salivating over their top 2 or 3 guys if they had UNC interest? I’d like to think we could run our 6 thru 10 guys out there & beat GW but apparently that’s not the case.
Salivating? Not at all. Those guys shouldn't play at UNC. Maybe the GW Reid guy could play as a backup.
Based on his career to date at UVA and UNC, I feel comfortable saying he's a 3rd string ACC player.
As one poster stated above, McCoy will not be at UNC next season, he will transfer. If he is unable to achieve playing time this year, do not foresee an opportunity next season. With High coming in, he will be negated to the bench again, only seeing mop up minutes.
Cooper, I think the larger issue for Styles next season is Puff will start at the 3 and Washington at the 4 or 5, I think the 5 and that he gets big PT there, could be near 30mins a game. If Shaver has any real game he should get most of the back up 5 minutes. So what about the 4, which is really what Styles is even thou under sized? High could get some 4 minutes but I am not sure he will get a ton of them, kid looks solid but not really special, I see a longer version of McKoy and I will take that and be happy ( I do think he needs to bulk up to realize his potiential and I do NOT want to see him playing outside a lot, yeah, I know, he comes with a bit of a shooting big stretch rep, I am not sold on that, I will take Washington as an outside shooter. We do have a really high motor wing coming in that could shift Puff to more 4 minutes than many would guess. If we don't portal in a big man, I would stick Nickel at the 4 as a stretch guy, he is more Manek like than Nance is for this season.
I think you may see us go to the portal for another big man, more likely a power forward that can stretch some (I think we need someone to leave early to have the portal scholly) but I expect Bacot and Love to leave. I am concerned with our inside the paint bulk of our big men after Bacot leaves. That is why Charles Brown would be such a nice addition in 24.
I think it will be hard to get Brown away from Illinois now that they are a prominent program again. Thinking we need a backup plan in 24, but I love Browns game too.
I agree that Washington is our 5 next season, but a portal big is likley to add depth. I don't expect much from High in his first year, and we can't count on Shaver or Styles until they get opportunities.
Bacot is likely going to face the same decision next summer that he did this past summer. NIL $$$ vs a G-League contract. Don't be so quick to pencil Washington into the starting 5 spot.
I would put the chance of Bacot leaving at around 90% for a couple of very important reasons. First, father times clock is ticking, this current season is Bacot's 4th with us, that is already long in the tooth for NBA drafts, adding yet another year to that sure doesn't help. At this point Bacot the player, the potential NBA player is scouted fully by the agents and scouts, not likely his game finds this new are of explosion by coming back again, his stock value is about as high as it will be.
Next, if he does not go in the next draft, the CBA looks like it will force the draft after that to be absolutely loaded with multiple kids coming straight from high school along with the 1&Ds so that much of the second round kids will be pushed out. If you are border line, next draft and not the one after is where you need to be, directly effects Bacot and Love, maybe RJ to a lesser extent.
I think Mando has came to grips that he is not going to be drafted, especially in the 1st round. He will be G league or overseas to work on pro skills when he leaves college. If he wanted to work on what might get him on a roster he would of left already to do so. He can be dominant as a bruiser in college though.
With the NIL money and his popularity he can probably make much more at home instead of overseas. Plus work on that masters in buisness. I think he really enjoyed this summer and the 7 digits he earned. It will be an interesting buisness decision.
With the NIL money and his popularity he can probably make much more at home instead of overseas. Plus work on that masters in buisness. I think he really enjoyed this summer and the 7 digits he earned. It will be an interesting buisness decision.
THIS!
Why would Mando be worried about his age at draft time, if he is unlikely to be drafted?
If he can bank say 1-2 million with another year at Carolina vs G league or over seas, the answer looks clear to a
" Business major" I read where Jawad Williams toped out at $750-800 grand in Europe. Bacot can still go that route in 2 years and make bank then.
Why would Mando be worried about his age at draft time, if he is unlikely to be drafted?
If he can bank say 1-2 million with another year at Carolina vs G league or over seas, the answer looks clear to a
" Business major" I read where Jawad Williams toped out at $750-800 grand in Europe. Bacot can still go that route in 2 years and make bank then.
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I don't see Bacot getting drafted. If the choice is $1-$2M at UNC, a $50k G-League contract, or a few hundred grand in Europe I'd think it's an easy one for him. I'd expect the same for Tshiebwe, Timme, and Dickinson.
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