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Now that VT has beat the crap out of us, if you win by fewer than 3 TDs, you will seem weak in comparison.
The entire team...plus their backups...and their backups too.
Basically, we're down to the intramural flag football champs at this point. A few more injuries and they will start looking at Chapel Hill HS for players.
Ungh!
Ungh!
If it means Fed's gone, I happily watch us lose every game from now through the 2018 season.
That will not happen. What I think likely is that next year we win 6 games, and lose another bowl, and Fedora and Bubba will tout the huge improvement as proof that Fedora back in 2019 is the only good idea.
- Y'all should go read the specs of Fedora's contract. Until the end of 2019, he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
- You should then go read Carolina's W/L record since 1983. Fedora is the best coach we have had in about a generation (1997 - 2010 is darn near a generation), and in 6 years has done twice what has only been done two other times since 1981 -- play for the ACC title. Yes, it's kinda squirrelly making direct comparisons to pre-ACCCG era, but basically it was Mack Brown in 1997 with the FSU game, playing for a defacto winner-take-all championship game, and possibly one other time. That's it.
I hate to hear it but I know why some fans get to that point.
For example, Bunting got to stay 2 more years because we upset #3 Miami in 2004. If we had lost to the Canes, we would have finished with a 3rd consecutive losing season, and that would have gotten Bunting fired before he could do 2 more years of damage.
So how long does that last? If we are 5-7 next year, do you make the same claim, or do you think back to back losing seasons is too much decline to tolerate?
John Bunting had 2 Ws much bigger than any win of Fedora's: Auburn in the Peach Bowl and #3 Miami. How long an expiration date do such Ws have?
@WoadBlue John Bunting is NOTHING like Fedora. Nothing. Next to Baddour, Bunting is the worst thing to ever happen to this football program in the past 30 years. Bringing Bunting in to this discussion doesn't have any merit or serve any purpose. He was a godawful coach and was kept around way too long.
Fedora has won the Coastal twice for goodness sake. Bunting's teams..........sucked.
Fedora has won the Coastal twice for goodness sake. Bunting's teams..........sucked.
First off, GFY.
Secondly, if you like where our program is at, fine. Most fans don't. I've been rooting for the Heels in every sport since about 1960, waaaaay before you were born I imagine. I was a big Fed fan initially, because I wanted to see somebody, anybody lift our program out of the doldrums. But our continued lack of fundamentals, poor in game coaching decisions, late season collapses, losses to less talented teams, and no indications by Fed that he needs to change make me think he is not the answer. If that makes me a hypocrite, so be it.
Time for a change. I predict you'll be saying the same thing 2 years from now. I guess you'll be a hypocrite then.
Fedora has won the Coastal twice, and done nothing with it. Winning the (weaker division) Coastal and then being the worst team in the ACC just 2 years later surely is the opposite of good for the program.
And yes, Bunting matters to this discussion. Bunting's 2 biggest Wins were each better than any single Fedora win. Each of those 2 Bunting Big Wins could have been the point from which a winning program was launched. But they weren't. They were just high spots in a mediocre career.
I think the odds are very high that 2015 was Fedora's version of Buntings 2 Big Wins.
Is Fedora better than Bunting? No doubt. But ACC football today is tougher, and with much better coaching, than what Bunting faced. If Fedora does not shake up what he is doing and how he does it, probably requiring a recasting of long held core beliefs, then Fedora will continue to struggle.
And I don't mean struggle to win the division.
Your argument runs off the tracks here in your first sentence because this ALREADY makes him miles away from Bunting. But I'll continue reading.
Nevermind the fact that the ACC is better the past 5 years than it's ever been. Nevermind that in some of Bunting's years, especially pre-expansion in 2004, the ACC was way, way easier to win. All you had to do was bow up and beat FSU or NC State, and odds are you could win the conference or split it at 7-1. Bunting didn't do that, though. Nor did he even come close.
Ehhhh....highly debatable. When we beat #3 Miami, we were (3-4) (2-1). It ain't like we were on course for anything special. We had already lost to UVa and FSU. Yes, it was a good win but it was a meaningless win. Any unranked team at home can bow up and upset a Top 10 team at home. It happens all the time. It's happened this year plenty. Cal over Washington State comes to mind.What's the other Bunting win you're referencing?
Compare that to Fedora's best wins. The win AT Blacksburg in 2015 on Beamer's last ever home game. You don't think that's an impressive win?? I don't care that they were down that year. There was so much emotion in that stadium. For us to win that game, all while our division championship was on the line, was damn impressive. What about at FSU last year? Guess how many times we've won at FSU before that? Once. What about the Pitt win in 2015? Once again, our Coastal Division was on the line because Pitt wouldn't lose. Thursday night game at Pitt. Fedora has more big wins than Bunting.... and they're wins that actually meant something.
Ok we agree that Bunting sucked.
That's fine to have that opinion but just recognize you're comparing a whole season of success under Fedora.... which is something Bunting never had. Even in 2001 with a supremely talented team, he managed to start 0-3.
What would it take for you to say he needs to go? Would you be satisfied with 6-8 win seasons or at some point do you need to see more?
If anybody thinks that Fedora is ever going to lift the program where they can compete with an elite team, that ain't happening. Fedora isn't a good enough recruiter. He proved that at So Miss. had a lot of talent for that level that he parlayed into this job, but left the cupboard bare for the two staffs that followed him. But not sure that matters in Chapel Hill. Basketball is king, and always will be. Figure as long as the program doesn't embarrass itself and gets into a bowl most years, then the administration is satisfied.
So for you, Fedora must have back to back seasons of no more than, say 3 wins before you think he should be fired?
How about 3-9, 6-7, 7-6?
And I think you have hit on the big underlying issue. One thing I saw during the Bunting wars was that the vast majority of UNC basketball-only fans cared not a jot that Bunting might have 5 consecutive losing seasons. And I think that effects UNC football fans this way: many feel that the coach in place is, because of the basketball emphasis, the best that can be had, and so unless he is an Epic loser, he should be kept.
i'm not a big fedora fan but he isn't going anywhere anytime soon so i don't see the point in this.
he needs a new offensive coordinator now. hopefully one who can bring his qb with him.
he needs a new offensive coordinator now. hopefully one who can bring his qb with him.
I realize this may be on the wrong thread but since the subject of this one has changed I'll ask it here as well as on the fedora thread. To everyone who wants fedora gone who would you replace him with? I'm not happy either but not sure we can get anyone any better.
I don't know how anyone can look at this season and call for Fedora's head.
1) This is the tail end of recruiting classes which were affected by NCAA probation and still very much in the middle of classes affected by the AFAM bs.
2) We lost a ton of talent to the draft and graduation
3) We have 21 injured players out for the season including 90% of our WRs.
In spite of our terrible record and performance, it's not like the players are rolling over. They are still going hard every play, which means Fedora hasn't lost the team. What more can you possibly expect or want given the three facts I listed above?
I'm no Fedora fan, at least in terms of his game day moves and some of the other crap he does. But to put this season on him is unfair by any reasonable standards.
1) This is the tail end of recruiting classes which were affected by NCAA probation and still very much in the middle of classes affected by the AFAM bs.
2) We lost a ton of talent to the draft and graduation
3) We have 21 injured players out for the season including 90% of our WRs.
In spite of our terrible record and performance, it's not like the players are rolling over. They are still going hard every play, which means Fedora hasn't lost the team. What more can you possibly expect or want given the three facts I listed above?
I'm no Fedora fan, at least in terms of his game day moves and some of the other crap he does. But to put this season on him is unfair by any reasonable standards.
