I don't think anyone is basing it on just this season. They are basing it on his entire tenure here. This year has just made his flaws in play calling and game management stick out more than normal.
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Exactly. If Fedora teams did not commit penalties like Snoop Dog smokes dope, and if Fedora did not make stupid in-game decisions over and over, and if we had a 1st rate OC rather than Fedora's coaching BFF who has let the OL slip terribly while also floundering at OC, then our season would not be this horrible.
You mean his tenure that includes two Coastal championships and snapping the "GT in Atlanta" and "at UVa" curses, right? That tenure?
No one is arguing he's an Xs and Os genius. He's the same style as Roy in that he runs a good system and needs quality players to execute said system.
You could have given Bill Belichick this team at the beginning of the year and we would have at most 2 more wins at this point with these injuries.
But I agree completely on your points about stupid penalties and in game decisions. However given that Fedora has done as much as he has for UNC during some tough times and didn't leave us in the lurch a few seasons back, I am willing to give him time to right the ship.
Don't get all bitchy about it. I'm on record as saying we should keep him. I was just saying that it's incorrect to say that people want him fired based on just this season.
I'm not bitchy about it. I'm just making conversation! Lol. I would argue they just want him fired in general because they don't like him or his style, and this season gives them the platform to be more vocal about it.
Maybe, but their are several legitimate criticisms to support his firing. This season hasn't been a huge disappointment for me because I was thinking 5 wins even before the injuries. He just needs to keep the team together and make sure they play hard since there is no bowl game in play. If he can do that then I will have some optimism going into next year.
To support his firing? No, there aren't.
There are certainly particular things to be concerned about as his tenure progresses, but there's no legitimate thing that proves he should be fired. That's crazy talk.
You aren't really that objective about it. You're the opposite extreme to @WoadBlue.
Firing Fed would be an objectively irrational move at this point, especially considering the state of his contract and our depth chart. I will admit I'm having doubts as to whether Fed will ever really get us "over the hump" but that's different than calling for his head.
I've seen THN repeatedly acknowledge Fed's weaknesses. I've seen him repeatedly say those things need to be addressed. When was the last time Woad said something positive about Fed? Ever?
There are several posters on this board who just don't like Fedora. Never mind the coaching, they just don't like the Texas attitude or the Red Bull, or even the fact that the dude is in shape. They'd rather have some redneck fat slob like Doeren, as long as he'll run a pro style offense and run it between the tackles 90% of the time. People are now bragging about how they're going to pull against our own team in hopes that Fed will get fired.
People who do this are beyond pathetic and need to find a professional team to support, not one with college kids.
comparing Doeren to Fedora:
Each started as HC at a then big winner in a non-Major conference. Fedora barely kept his head over .500 for 2 years and then won 8 and then won 12. Fedora left such a lack of experienced talent and so many player problems with penalties and lack of fundamentals and attitude that Southern Miss went 0-12 under 1 HC and then 1-11 under another HC before that 2nd post-Fedora could get a cleaned house of all Fedora influence and begin to rebuild.
Doeren was 11-3 and 12-1 in 2 seasons at Northern Illinois. Doeren left the program in such good shape that his successor was 12-2 and then 11-3.
At UNC, Fedora inherited the last of the Butch brigade, and with a fairly weak schedule won 8 games. He then struggled with a bowl W over a non-P5 team to be above .500, followed by a team that was below .500. And then the great 11-3 season, which featured 0 Wins over teams that would be ranked at the end of the year. The following season: Drop off to 8-5 (with the #2 NFL draft pick), followed by this epic collapse.
Doeren started off near rock bottom at Moo: 3 wins. Followed by 8-5, 7-6, 7-6. And this year appears to be his version of Fedora's 11-3: the Wuffies are 6-1.
Like Fedora, Doeren has great trouble beating Top 25 teams. Doeren does have 2 bowl wins at Moo to Fedora's 1 at UNC.
So far, Doeren's 2017 is more impressive than Fedora's 2015. Moo beat then #12 FSU in Tallahassee. Then Moo beat the Syracuse team that would later beat Clemson. Then Moo beat then #17 ranked Louisville with Heisman. I think each coach's 2018 will tell a good deal.
Say good things about Fedora? I was happy with 8-4 his first year. I praised him for firing Koenning. Of course, now that Koenning is back to being a solid DC, I think Fedora may have been the problem rather than Koenning.
I can think of 10-20 folks right off the top of my head that would be good alternatives. But with his buyout he isn't going anywhere for a while, unless he leaves on his own. Only issue with that theory is that I don't see him getting any offers from a program better than, or either Carolina's equal.
By the way, just to stay in topic. Miami is decent, but not a top 10, elite, team. But they do have a horseshoe inserted in the right place for their wins over GT and FSU.
By the way, just to stay in topic. Miami is decent, but not a top 10, elite, team. But they do have a horseshoe inserted in the right place for their wins over GT and FSU.
Throw out his best year and his worst year as aberrations and he's a 7-5 coach with a bad record against good teams and in bowl games. If this is what you want as our standard? Fine. You've got it for the foreseeable future.
That's rich coming from someone who said himself he'd be content with 0-12 as long as it got Fedora fired.
Well, boy was I wrong! Your guys played great and showed a lot of heart and grit. We did not deserve to win. Hope you win your remaining games.
Our D looked very good. And under Elliott the offense was sound, especially considering that the Canes D is 1st rate.
If y'all had a healthy Walton and a 1st rate QB, you'd be a huge threat not just to win the ACC, but to make noise in the playoffs.
Today I'm a big Canes fans since they whupped those dipsticks from Blacksburg last ight.
You conveniently leave out recruiting sanctions, prolonged NCAA cloud, and historic injuries this year.
Larry’s best year was 11-3 with a legit shot at the college playoff if we don’t get robbed against Clemson in the ACCCG.
DD will most likely finish the regular season 8-5 this year. I believe that is his ceiling.
