Thank you. If the teacher of his engineering class couldn't tell that a circuit board attached to some LEDs wasn't a bomb, then maybe Ahmed should be teaching the class.
Muslim student arrested for building a clock
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Stop being melodramatic. There was no need for the complete overreaction that ensued. As HIS pointed out, it was an engineering teacher who created the initial panic. That's absolutely pitiful.
For the record, I don't think the kid was singled out because he was Muslim. I do think there are plenty of opportunists using that fact to cry foul at the top of their lungs, which is probably the only reason we even know about it.
Calm down, man. Try to stop looking at the world through the "News" filter occasionally.
I'm sure that somewhere there are Ahmeds and Mohammeds teaching it, and nothing interesting ever happens and they learn what they're supposed to learn and go home every day to hear about this crap (or read it on their smart phone between classes).
Actually, what apparently happened was that he brought it to show his engineering teacher, who liked it but told him he probably shouldn't show it to other teachers. So he put it in his bag, but it started beeping during English class. It was the English teacher who reported it.
I'm actually okay with that. English teacher doesn't understand this stuff and errs on the side of caution. But the engineering teacher (who had already seen it and could presumably tell it was a clock) should have been able to "defuse" the situation before he was hauled off to the police station in cuffs.
You don't know how the heck I look at the world. At least I have the ability to recognize that idealistic ''values'' may sound good on paper, but they sure don't friggin work in practice.
That's the problem in politics today -- no one understands the difference between how something works in theory versus how it ends up working in real life. It sure may sound good to NEVER deny ANYONE's freedoms at ANY time, like you want. But that just won't fly in the world we live in today. It's unfortunate that that's the case, but that's just how it is.
Actually, the problem isn't that at all. The problem is no one ever puts the theory into practice. Well, I should say, not all people do. The ones who do are actually experiencing the theory. It's no longer conceptual... it's real. As I said, if you view the world through the news filter (or your own version of that filter) then you'll get the opposite. It's pretty simple, really. It starts at the easiest place- individually. You choose fear or not. Most people choose fear. It's not the only choice, but it's the most popular choice by far. Fear is conditioned into the public's mind all the time. So, I'm never surprised when it's so prevalent.
The problem is not really IN politics. the problem IS politics. Politics is just another source for division (fear). Well intentioned maybe, but the result is always "You need me to protect you from the people that I made angry with us!"
If it sounds good on paper, or in your head, then it's up to you to put it into practice. That's how all great things were created and made into a reality.
ETA: You're right; I don't know how you look at the world. I can only tell by the things you say or write on here.
And, in doing so, deny the kid a trip to the White House and Zuckerburg's house? C'mon, man!
Ok. You get the rest of the world to subscribe to your philosophy, and I'll jump on board. But I'm gonna be last just to make sure everyone else is doing it. That's me being cautious. Let me know when you've got all 300 million Americans in your camp.
I'm not responsible for 300 million people. I'm responsible for me. I couldn't "get them" to do anything anymore than you could, or anyone else. That's their individual responsibility. If you're only doing things because everyone else is doing it, that's fine. If cautious makes you feel good, that's great. If I see everyone else doing something and I think "Wait... this isn't how I want to do it." Then, it's up to me to decide to mimic them or do it the way I think is best, not everyone else!
ETA: You said "Get everyone else to do it and then I'll jump on board." So, it's only a good philosophy, or action, if everyone else does it first? If everyone else is doing it, then it must be okay and you're no longer cautious? I don't believe you're like that. I hope not. I hope you don't deny your own better instincts because it might not be the popular thing to do.
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Bull shit...if that thing had been a bomb and had blown up you would probably be one of the first ones yelling and screaming about how the LEO's and the educators screwed up by NOT protecting our kids...they are damned if they do and damned if they don't by people like you!
Are we pretending that violence towards police is some kind of epidemic?
In 2011, the number of police deaths in line of duty caused by gunfire or stabbing totaled 70. That number dropped to 53 in 2012 and 33 in 2013, before rising to 47 in 2014. Thus far in 2015, 24 officers have been killed by gunfire or stabbing, on pace for a lower number than in 2014.
In 2011, the number of police deaths in line of duty caused by gunfire or stabbing totaled 70. That number dropped to 53 in 2012 and 33 in 2013, before rising to 47 in 2014. Thus far in 2015, 24 officers have been killed by gunfire or stabbing, on pace for a lower number than in 2014.
No, the engineering teacher looked at it and told him nice job, don't show it to anyone else.
Read the Dallas newspaper story for Chrissake
Dude, THN is exactly right. If you look at something that could be a bomb, you damn well better be sure it is not a bomb before giving the all clear
In fact, they put the White House on lockdown yesterday because of a mystery bag across the street. Turned out to be a coffee cup. Yet little Ahmed makes something that could be used on the set of 24 and he's the victim of racism.
Give me a ****ing break.
Right, because they have quit policing the dangerous areas. Murder rates are up in almost every major city which previously had high violence.
I don't blame the cops- I wouldn't get out of my car either unless I had to and even then, would take a long time to unbuckle my seatbelt. What's the point in helping if you are going to be castigated for doing so?
You obviously don't know jack squat about me then. Sorry I don't square with your reductionist view of the world.
I stopped reading after the updates. The part about the engineering teacher only appeared in the original story posted below that. So sue me.
The point remains. This whole incident could've been avoided if the adults involved had exercised better judgment. That includes his parents, the teachers, the school administrators, and the LEOs. They all had a hand in creating the circus.
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What a perfect link for demonstrating the complete overreaction to serious issues in this country. Broadly describing Black Lives Matter representatives as "the same folks chanting for the deaths of police officers" is exactly the kind of asinine overgeneralization that shows why nobody can have a reasonable and measured discussion about race, religion, or politics anymore.
But down in plenty of other cities.
"[M]ost cities have not shown a significant increase in homicides over the last year. But the overall increase of the cities is highly statistically significant....
Nonetheless, there are some big reasons not to assume that crime is on a long-term increase."
Link: Scare headlines exaggerated the U.S. crime wave
When I saw it in the suitcase and all, I thought "Man, that does look pretty suspect." It did! But, apparently the adults involved let this get much more out-of-hand than it ever should have. I still don't get why the kid gets to go to the White House.
But, in reference to my comment to THN, I just think overreaction can be as bad or worse. This kid having a Muslim name just feeds the fire all the more.
When I first read "clock", I thought it was a clock, like with hands on it! Then, when 71-00 added the photo of a digital box inside a suitcase, I was a bit more alarmed by the appearance.
I'm in a room filled with people and I tried not to lol.It didn't work and made my burst of laughter worst. Yes awkward. I blame you Billy. Keep up the good work.
The ideals you preach are pie in the sky. Your way doesn't work unless everybody subscribes to it. What I'm saying is that I'm not on board until everybody else is. That way I know I'm ok to go that route. Because hell yeah, who doesn't like fantasy land? I like harmony and world peace. But I can't control that singularly. And I'm not willing to potentially contribute to endangering my family or the way of life I've enjoyed for 40 years. So, like I said, get everybody else across the world to buy into creating utopia, and then I'm down. Kind of like a standoff. I lower my guard only after everyone else's is lowered. Popularity be damned.
Maybe so. But the whole BLM thing is absurd anyway. It's just another way to highlight differences in an accusatory way. That's what the left does. At every opportunity, there's a new movement constructed for the purposes of division. All f*cking lives matter. And frankly, it's preposterous to create and support a movement based on the premise that the great majority of people don't feel that way. In other words, I find no value to the movement whatsoever and feel that it's entire existence is for only ugly and underhanded reasons. So you won't find me getting all bent out of shape if GAC or the writer that penned that piece purposely overgeneralized. I say to hell with all of them.
Trust me, I'm not a fan. But when people respond by calling them cop killers, all it does is lock the issue into a death spiral. Honestly, discourse in this country is dead. Everybody is too busy being offended or outraged about something, anything. I'm this close to moving to a cabin in Montana*.
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* I have often pondered the question: if I had moved to a cabin in Montana 20 years ago, would I know or care about the problems that trouble the world today? Political scandals, the Middle East, global warming, gun violence, you name it. None of it would have affected me at all. I could've been living in blissful ignorance**.
** I have recently pondered the question: is living in the information age making us all miserable? Sure, there are plenty of pros, but it's almost impossible to watch, read, or hear the news without being saddened by the world we live in. Same goes for social media, email, and all the other ways humans stay connected through technology. Cabin in Montana, my friends.
1) The only thing you CAN control is "singularly." You're in control of no one else.
2) You live in fear. That guarantees potential danger, and/or endangerment.
If a cop were killed, would the active members of the BLM movement:
A) Cheer
B) shake their heads and say the violence has to stop
C) condemn the killer and attend the cops funeral.
If you choose A, and I do, then calling BLM supporters of cop killers is accurate and appropriate.
I liked this post because I am probably closer to doing the exact same thing....we would probably be great neighbors!!!!!! I have also asked the same dang questions....and probably came to the same conclusion!!!!
You don't need to go to a cabin in Montana. You might have to try a bit harder by staying right where you are, but no harder than moving everything to Montana and getting used to the culture shock. You can do it at your present address just as easily.
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