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Muslims execute 13 teens

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These scumbags were executed by firing squad and left in the public square for hours. Their reign of terror was now over. Raffa was once again safe. The details of their crimes so horrendous those with weak stomachs might not wanna read further.
http://nypost.com/2015/01/19/isis-executes-13-teens-for-watching-soccer/
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This post was edited on 1/19 6:04 PM by mikeirbyusa

Teens Killed for Watching Soccer
 
What's the over/under on the number of posts before we hear all about how Christians do the same thing?
 
Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
Religion of peace.
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The religion didn't kill anyone... some radical, vengeful people, who are likely poverty-ridden and only know a life of violence, did this. The religion, like any other religion, is innocent. People are the culprits.

I notice Iraq won the match 1-0 over Jordan (played in Australia?). I guess it's okay to play soccer, but not watch it? Doesn't seem to make sense.

I wonder how the deaths of civilians in Ferguson and elsewhere at the hands of the police, or vice versa is reported over there? I wonder how our events are reported in other countries in general. I wonder if our police forces are portrayed as radical, tyrannical forces that kill and impose their will by force? Who knows.

I'm going to start a thread soon with a really informative film for everyone and I'm curious to see how it goes.
 
Of course religion can't kill anyone.

The issue that you can't seem to grasp is that the followers of this particular religion are much more likely to murder in the name of their religion than any other religion.
 
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"Religion" is man made. being a Christ Follower is complete change in how you live your life.
 
Yeah, sure. All the ones doing the killing are just making stuff up. They're not quoting the Quran, or doing exactly what the verses say to do. They're not following the instructions of the Imams to kill the infidels, or apostates, or gays, Nope, they're all just gone rogue, and Islam has nothing to do with any of it. The religion teaches peace, so I really don't understand why they've been killing everyone for 1400 years. Oh wait, it just started in 40's. Doh! Barbary Pirates taking American sailors as slaves, and the almost conquest of Europe before the Crusades was all in your imagination.

Wow, it even sounds more stupid when I say it.
 
Defend what? The murder of kids watching a soccer game? Of course not. But if the claim is it's the fault of Islam then what did those kids do? They were Muslims, too. If Islam is inherently evil and Muslims are fated to be killers then the folks in this thread should be celebrating a preemptive strike.

The point is that these assholes would use ANY excuse to kill...they're evil. They want power. Eliminate the Qu'ran and they would find another reason to massacre people. They could just as easily be Old Testament followers who are killing in the name of God - the verses are all there and there are certainly preachers out there who use the Bible to condone murder.
 
Always comes back to the Bible and preachers today doesn't it?

Yes they are evil and so is their "religion".
 
Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:
Always comes back to the Bible and preachers today doesn't it?

Yes they are evil and so is their "religion".
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So you're ok with the murder of Muslim teens?
 
The muslims that killed them are certainly ok with it.

Wrong flavor of muslim, you see.

Religion of pieces.
 
Originally posted by DeanFor President:

The muslims that killed them are certainly ok with it.

Wrong flavor of muslim, you see.

Religion of pieces.
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Wrong flavor? Does that mean there are some "flavors" that oppose the bloodthirsty savagery of groups like Islamic State? Or are they "all the same"? It's hard to keep up here. If Islam is inherently evil and Muslims are murdering devils, it shouldn't bother you one bit that 13 Muslim teens were killed for watching soccer. That would, of course, denote a level of savagery one step removed from those who actually committed the act.
 
Those 13 still stood a good chance of being converted, maybe one of them was going to be the next Billy Graham.
 
Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:
Those 13 still stood a good chance of being converted, maybe one of them was going to be the next Billy Graham.
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Converted to what?
 
Originally posted by heelmanwilm:
We are blessed beyond measure to live where we do.
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That's a fact. These people are as violent and vengeful as they are because of their environment and, to some extent, their culture, not their religion. These people have been colonized, subjugated, bombed, oppressed by one puppet regime after another, and exploited as a society by many other nations for the natural resource that they happen to live on. Their religion may be used to bolster their resolve, but their predisposition to violence is from poor living conditions and having to survive under very, very difficult circumstances. Then a few of them cave to their instincts and eventually look for a source of revenge for their anger and weariness of those conditions. They just happen to be Muslim. If they were Christian, Jewish, Shinto, Taoists, or Scientologists, it really wouldn't matter if they were subjected to the same circumstances generation after generation. When people act-out like this it is due to fear and being in a situation that lowers their morality and increases their animal instincts. I don't think they are helping themselves at all by committing these atrocities, but I can understand how it could come to that kind of behavior.
 
Originally posted by strummingram:
These people are as violent and vengeful as they are because of their environment and, to some extent, their culture, not their religion..
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Disagree strongly! Convert or kill em, what does that tell them?
 
Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:
Originally posted by strummingram:
These people are as violent and vengeful as they are because of their environment and, to some extent, their culture, not their religion..
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Disagree strongly! Convert or kill em, what does that tell them?
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Convert or kill'em is NOT what Islam teaches. It certainly doesn't teach, or mean, that to all Muslims. If you think that then your sources betray you. If that were the truth then why aren't all American Muslims out on the streets right now murdering everyone that does not convert? You have a dangerously distorted view of this situation and their faith. I understand why you do, but I wish you, and others like you, could learn to reevaluate. Unfortunately, you won't and the situation will deteriorate and more chaos, confusion, and loss of resource and life will ensue. People refuse to change about some things.
 
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
 
Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
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Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the
judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. Deuteronomy 17:12

Your turn
 
Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
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Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the
judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. Deuteronomy 17:12

Your turn
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strummy boy showing his ignorance once again!!! Try to at least understand what you are posting about.....otherwise it just makes you look foolish!
 
Originally posted by heelmanwilm:
We are blessed beyond measure to live where we do.
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No kidding! Later on in that article it tells about how insurgents or ISIS members or whomever, released a video of them throwing two men off a building to their death because they had supposedly taken part in homosexual acts.

Seriously...........people being killed for watching soccer and for being gay. We can debate the merits of legalizing gay marriage, but at least we don't KILL homosexuals.

Here's a question I do have though: are ISIS and other Islamist groups against nationalism and countries (for lack of a better word)...? I ask because the teens who were killed were watching the Iraq National Team play in a competitive match on TV, and the killers were also Iraqis. Like, wouldn't they want to watch Iraq play (?), or are they against the concept of having a specific country named Iraq, and instead just want one Islamic nation?
 
Originally posted by GACMAN:

Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
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Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the
judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. Deuteronomy 17:12

Your turn
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strummy boy showing his ignorance once again!!! Try to at least understand what you are posting about.....otherwise it just makes you look foolish!
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Enlighten us please. I don't see much difference but I am willing to hear if something was taken out of context.
 
Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:

Seriously...........people being killed for watching soccer and for being gay. We can debate the merits of legalizing gay marriage, but at least we don't KILL homosexuals.
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Well, most of the time anyway.


Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:

...wouldn't they want to watch Iraq play (?)
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The article says watching the game was considered a violation of Sharia Law, at least according to ISIS' extremist interpretation of the law. Obviously the nation as a whole doesn't interpret the law the same or they wouldn't field a soccer team. This gets back to the points made by TBB and strum in this thread.



This post was edited on 1/20 4:07 PM by Raising Heel
 
And, not all Muslims oppose same-sex marriage. I read somewhere that 60% of the Muslims in Germany are FOR gay marriage. So, the subjectivity in religious interpretation runs just as widespread as every other religion. The ones that act-out in vicious ways are ones that take it to extremes and I also believe they are products of the circumstances I mentioned before.
 
Originally posted by strummingram:
Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Click to expand...
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the
judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. Deuteronomy 17:12

Your turn
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You sure? Very long and extensive list I can put here for you if that's what you want. Now go to the New Testament and do the same.

Not sure what version you use, maybe your own but here is the KJV version you just posted...................................



Deuteronomy 17:12
12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the Lord thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.


Does NOT say to kill anyone! It says "that man shall die" see the difference?
 
60% of liberal Muslims in Germany support gay marriage. You cant be Muslim and support gay marriage. Muhammad put people to death for being gay.
 
Originally posted by Raising Heel:

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:

Seriously...........people being killed for watching soccer and for being gay. We can debate the merits of legalizing gay marriage, but at least we don't KILL homosexuals.
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Well, most of the time anyway.
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True. I'm familiar with cases such as Matt Shepherd. I'm just saying that, in general, there aren't American groups/armies/clubs/etc who go around killing homosexuals for being homosexual, then making videos of said killing public.

Originally posted by Raising Heel:

Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:

...wouldn't they want to watch Iraq play (?)
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The article says watching the game was considered a violation of Sharia Law, at least according to ISIS' extremist interpretation of the law. Obviously the nation as a whole doesn't interpret the law the same or they wouldn't field a soccer team. This gets back to the points made by TBB and strum in this thread.



This post was edited on 1/20 4:07 PM by Raising Heel
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The game is irrelevant to my question. I'm just wondering if ISIS and other groups oppose the concept of nations and would rather be united under one Islamic entity/country/province or whatevs. I will google this later I guess
 
Originally posted by eec212020:

60% of liberal Muslims in Germany support gay marriage. You cant be Muslim and support gay marriage. Muhammad put people to death for being gay.
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Yeah...I'd like a link for that one.
 
Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by heelmanwilm:
We are blessed beyond measure to live where we do.

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That's a fact. These people are as violent and vengeful as they are because of their environment and, to some extent, their culture, not their religion. These people have been colonized, subjugated, bombed, oppressed by one puppet regime after another, and exploited as a society by many other nations for the natural resource that they happen to live on. Their religion may be used to bolster their resolve, but their predisposition to violence is from poor living conditions and having to survive under very, very difficult circumstances. Then a few of them cave to their instincts and eventually look for a source of revenge for their anger and weariness of those conditions. They just happen to be Muslim. If they were Christian, Jewish, Shinto, Taoists, or Scientologists, it really wouldn't matter if they were subjected to the same circumstances generation after generation. When people act-out like this it is due to fear and being in a situation that lowers their morality and increases their animal instincts. I don't think they are helping themselves at all by committing these atrocities, but I can understand how it could come to that kind of behavior.
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Complete BS. I guess you have never heard of takfirism.
 
Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:

Originally posted by heelmanwilm:
We are blessed beyond measure to live where we do.

Posted from Rivals Mobile
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No kidding! Later on in that article it tells about how insurgents or ISIS members or whomever, released a video of them throwing two men off a building to their death because they had supposedly taken part in homosexual acts.

Seriously...........people being killed for watching soccer and for being gay. We can debate the merits of legalizing gay marriage, but at least we don't KILL homosexuals.

Here's a question I do have though: are ISIS and other Islamist groups against nationalism and countries (for lack of a better word)...? I ask because the teens who were killed were watching the Iraq National Team play in a competitive match on TV, and the killers were also Iraqis. Like, wouldn't they want to watch Iraq play (?), or are they against the concept of having a specific country named Iraq, and instead just want one Islamic nation?
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ISIS means Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

This had nothing to do with soccer.
 
THN

I knew what you meant. Just busting your chops.

As far as the other, I misunderstood what you were asking. Here's the short version (link below, slide 2):

Since pledging allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2004, the group's goal has been remarkably consistent: found a hardline Sunni Islamic state. As General Ray Odierno puts it: "They want complete failure of the government in Iraq. They want to establish a caliphate in Iraq." Even after ISIS split with al-Qaeda in February 2014 (in large part because ISIS was too brutal even for al-Qaeda), ISIS' goal remained the same.



ISIS wants to establish a caliphate
 
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