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Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to
death. Exodus 21:15 NAB
All who curse their father or mother must be put
to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife,
both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by
committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to
death. Leviticus 21:9
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your
God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow
citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you
must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that
such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and
completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you
must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the
entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town
must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder
that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his
fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make
you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your
God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving
you today, doing what is pleasing to him." Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT
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It's all open to interpretation and to what extreme or level of fulfillment a person can justify killing in the name of God based on any modern-day action and equate it to ancient text. The only "difference" I see is to every individual's own mind and motivation. If your living conditions are basically primal, and survival is compromised, or at least challenged immensely, then you might be more inclined to adhere to the literal interpretations and carry them out. If you read the passages above, and focus on ONLY those kinds of passages in the Bible, then the Bible sounds like it encourages, condones, and promotes killing and death. And, the religions associated with it can get the same label.
death. Exodus 21:15 NAB
All who curse their father or mother must be put
to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife,
both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by
committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to
death. Leviticus 21:9
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your
God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow
citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you
must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that
such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and
completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you
must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the
entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town
must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder
that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his
fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make
you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your
God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving
you today, doing what is pleasing to him." Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT
_________________________
It's all open to interpretation and to what extreme or level of fulfillment a person can justify killing in the name of God based on any modern-day action and equate it to ancient text. The only "difference" I see is to every individual's own mind and motivation. If your living conditions are basically primal, and survival is compromised, or at least challenged immensely, then you might be more inclined to adhere to the literal interpretations and carry them out. If you read the passages above, and focus on ONLY those kinds of passages in the Bible, then the Bible sounds like it encourages, condones, and promotes killing and death. And, the religions associated with it can get the same label.
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with
nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and
fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do
not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them
to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and
fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do
not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them
to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
If you're implying that Christians do not follow and renounce the OT, that's fine. I can't keep up with what all you religious club members follow or don't follow on whichever given day, or whatever the subject matter calls for in a given situation. I'm well aware that Jesus Christ was all about Peace. That doesn't stop alleged Christians from killing people. I'm simply showing that there are references, verses, referendums, commands, demands, admonitions, whatever, in the Bible... all of these can be construed as "God is telling me/us to kill people who don't believe as we do or don't follow the rules like we're supposed to." It's in Judeo-Christian Scripture, just like it's in all religious texts. I've read where Catholics burned Protestants alive. I've seen where Protestants hung Catholics and so on and so forth. But, MOST people in the modern world don't act on those literally. Most Muslims don't either. If you want to believe that they all do, or will, be my guest.Originally posted by mikeirbyusa:
Still waiting on that New Testament quote.
Hey, as I said in another thread, go ahead and set-up a system like the Nazis did to rid the world of the Jews. They were convinced that all people of that religion were poisonous to the world and the rest of humanity. If you want to endorse the idea that all Muslims are a threat to all non-Muslims, then you'd better start getting rid of them faster than you're convinced they're going to get rid of you. Personally, I'm not worried about them at all.
Not even close.
Chicago has approximately 350-400 killed per year.
Over the past 5 years Boko Haram is averaging about 1200-1500 per year in Nigeria in their drive to create a Caliphate. And I'm not even counting Hamas, Isis and Al Quida.
Chicago has approximately 350-400 killed per year.
Over the past 5 years Boko Haram is averaging about 1200-1500 per year in Nigeria in their drive to create a Caliphate. And I'm not even counting Hamas, Isis and Al Quida.
Furthermore, I'd have to hear from the 350-400 murderers in Chicago that they carried out their act in the name of Jesus Christ before that comparison is the least bit relevant.
Ok, now show me large groups of people going around doing this today. You can't.
This is all you have? Then you have nothing except very naïve notions of what these people are about. The ones that wish to coexist with other religions are NOT following the Quran, That's one reason they are being killed by other muslims who ARE following it.
This is really not that difficult to understand.
I've asked him to look up and comprehend abrogation multiple times. He puts his fingers in his ears and ignores it. He'd
rather babble about Leviticus, even though bloodthirsty gangs with automatic weapons ARE NOT massacring people around the globe because of Leviticus. Only a minor difference, I know....
OK, if they are NOT following the Quran how can they be Muslims? Why call themselves that if they don't belive in it?
I guess for the same reason that Jews call themselves Jews even though they don't put Jewish women who commit adultery to death anymore. Just like Christians who fail to forgive those who wrong them in the worst way still call themselves Christians. It's one thing to believe in it, it's another thing entirely to act on it, especially in a literal sense. However, when your living conditions are worsened and your sensory systems are put to the worst test (you endure what these people have endured for generations now) then it's completely understandable how some of them will start to act on the verses in a literal sense. People always react that way when things become bad. I know of countless instances in history where, during adverse situations, the people felt they had angered God and needed to adhere to Scripture literally, so they go back to literal actions. We here in this country have had it pretty good for at least 60 or 70 years. They haven't. In the 1930's, during the Depression, there was a much stronger adherence to Scripture in our society due to the conditions become dire.
I'm not advocating getting rid of muslims or any discrimination but i've yet to hear any explanation from the muslim communtity as to why there is so much radicalism from people who claim to be the real muslims. Why are the radicals wrong and the peaceful ones right in terms of interpreting the koran? What portion are they wrong on and how does the peaceful muslim justify condemning them and vice versa? With christians its usually the Old Testament debate. Radical christians misinterpret the Old Testament as being applicable to today and use it to justify all kinds of hate and bigotry.
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I do. I do it quite fervently. Thanks for noticing. It's a combination. If you think it's genetic or something, then your thinking is literally no different than Nazis believing all Jews were parasites at their core.
Write down every time you fail to ACT as a Christian supposedly should act (and you know you fail, just like I do), and then ask yourself why you failed. Did you fail because the Scripture was unclear, or did you fail because the conditions and circumstances you were enduring at the time put your faith and actions to the test and you failed? It has nothing to do with the Scripture or the Faith or the religion. It has to do with each person's unique ability, or inability, to maintain their understood morality.
I fail because I am a sinner by nature. I fail becuase of THE CHOICES I make. I fail because I don't put ALL my trust in God as I should. I don't fail becuase of how I was raised or where I grew up.
It's a combination of ALL of it. You people seem intent on ONLY focusing on their religion. It's not only the way they were raised. Their living environment is something we can't even imagine. I believe their living conditions are much more of a culprit than how they were raised, even though those are also intertwined. And, we have to consider HOW their living conditions got to be so dire. What role did people representing "us" take in contributing to that. They take revenge personal and serious and they don't like foreigners interfering with how they live. I can empathize with that, but I don't understand the violent actions at all. I would hope that if we were subjected to their conditions, we wouldn't act-out as they do, but it wouldn't be a shock if some of us did. The way they interpret and act on their religious beliefs is kind of like gas on a burning fire, but I still do not believe that all Muslims the world over are predisposed to acting-out like these radicals. I believe that because most of them obviously don't. I also believe that were it not for the natural resource they live on, then most western nations would never have been interested in them or their barbaric ways. It's a fragile situation, but handling it by doing the same thing is only making it worse. But, if you insist that it's only their religion that MAKES them ALL a threat to civilized society, then you have a pretty big problem. I don't believe it at all.
Not even close to being his point. He has said many times that the religion teaches peace and non-violence.
There is ample proof that it does not. The muslims that are peace loving are NOT adhering to the Quran. Some of them are getting killed for it, like the 13 kids killed for watching soccer.
Okay, but, to me, that's just different words for the same sentiment I proposed. That's why any of those people who act-out violently fail. They each choose to act as they do. Why they do it is a culmination of many, many things. But, to insist it's ONLY because of their religion, or religious beliefs, is naive and simplified. It's not as if they believe in a different God.
Well, then Jews who don't kill women who commit adultery are not adhering to the Torah, or Old testament. Christians who fail to forgive their enemies are not adhering to the Gospels. Religion and religious texts are open to interpretation to every person who reads them. I will agree, or admit, that in the present-day, there is an abundance of radicals of the religion of Islam that are going WAY overboard. That is a problem, no doubt. But, claiming that all Muslims are just a step away from being one of them is wrong. I've never met two people of the same religion (any religion) that had identical perceptions or interpretations of their religious texts. They are also individuals who have unique lives and circumstances that create unique outcomes and influences on others. I'm simply not going to buy-in to this fear of an entire Religion and all it's people. And, that goes for ANY religion!
Couldn't they just carjack somebody or loot a convenience store or something? Boy, those zany muslims take up a notch, don't they?
Well, those PARTICULAR zany Muslims do, yes. I don't understand the severity at all myself. It's clearly extreme and barbaric. In my opinion, they are not improving their situation or acceptance by the rest of the world when they do these things. I'm in complete agreement that those individuals are dangerous and powder kegs with a lit fuse. But, I also have my own set of priorities, as to what I have to be responsible for. In a previous thread, you laid-out your personal hierarchy of what concerns you most- family, friends, town, Virginia, and outward, in that order. I'm the same way. I would venture to guess that every single one of us on this board lives that way. So, while the actions and conditions of those places are horrible, there's very little we, as citizens in this country, can do to help them directly. And, once it goes beyond "directly" for me, I am just not very confident in the system. I am not someone who trusts people in government to do what the people want, so I don't trust them to act on our behalf. I truly hate it for all of those who suffer from it, but my prayer is that they find a way to remedy the situation. It would also be nice if most of us here don't react too irrationally and just wind up mimicking them in our reactions (as far as basic attitudes) to what they do! One way I can try and ste that is by encouraging people here to not judge all Muslims by the actions of those Muslims. I don't want people to judge all Baptists by the actions of the Westboro BAPTIST Church. I know a great many Baptists- many in my own family- and they are not like those Baptists!
First- no one is saying ALL mooslims are a threat. If someone is stating this, then I disagree with that person.
Second- let's just deal with the radicals
Third- what % of their radical behavior do you attribute to their religion, and what percent is due to them being victims of their environment and foreign intervention?
Am I correct in my understand of your position that even if Islam didn't exist and these radicals were Buddhists (or Atheists or agnostic), that they would still be killing children and suicide bombings and all that? Is that what you are trying to say here?
I have no way of determining what percentage does what. Do you? Go live over there and see what factors make you feel or do things.
I don't know that the degree or level of radical acts would be the same. It might be more, it might be less. Islam does exist and that is the religion these people are claiming to follow. It's a bit of a Perfect Storm of circumstances. Dealing with it by sending troops over there and perpetuating more war and violence is a very bad idea... unless you want it to continue in the direction it's going.
That's good. Not all Muslims who fail kill people over their shortcomings either. Does Christ tell you to hold all Muslims as enemies and to believe they are all killers?
It's not a "who." I don't humanize God. I don't refer to God as He or Him or anything that dictates a male. I don't believe God has a penis. It's just God. I try to draw understandings from all religions. I think they all work for the people who use them. I think they also divide people. So, it's not easy to understand.
If you watch the film, apparently some of them are getting paid to do this stuff. Money is a great motivator.
I said those all factor into the outcome. If you want to insist it's only their religion, fine. Keep thinking that.
