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[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I don't think many recruits families are going to turn down $150,000 tax free dollars for their son to go to school for 1 season for free.

Exactly. I know if I had kids that are talented enough to get offered money like that to attend a certain school, I would absolutely encourage them to take it. If they were choosing between 3 or 4 equivalent schools/teams and one was offering $150k for a season, that'd be where I would recommend they go.

The players/families don't get in trouble for taking the money. (Except getting deemed ineligible if its the rare occasion that it's found out before they leave school. And even then, they're ineligible for one unpaid season on their way to the NBA - big deal).

 

[gary-7]

I believe if you're on scholarship at all then you count towards the 13 scholarship limit for the team. This was done to prevent schools from claiming guys earned academic scholarships so they could stash extra players. Makes sense when you think about it: you can only have 13 players earning any kind of scholarship money on the team.

Actually I don't believe that's correct unless it's changed. We've had guys on Moorheads who were walk-ons and they didn't count. IIRC the only sport that has to cross-count schollies is football. For example, if a player plays both basketball and football on scholarship that schollie has to count against football. That was done back in the day to prevent football factories from dumping excess guys into track or baseball scholarships.

 

[dadika13]

My nephew is a PWO and on academic scholarship at an A-10 school for bball. You're allowed to take an academic scholly and not have it count toward 13.

 

[tarh33ls]

Think he's ours to lose but weirder things have happened.

 

[Archer2]

Exactly. I know if I had kids that are talented enough to get offered money like that to attend a certain school, I would absolutely encourage them to take it. If they were choosing between 3 or 4 equivalent schools/teams and one was offering $150k for a season, that'd be where I would recommend they go.

So, you'd encourage your son to cheat?

 

[dadika13]

So, you'd encourage your son to cheat?

It's easy for us to say no when we all seemingly live decent lives.

However, what if you're a single parent living in poverty and everyday you fear for your and your son's life because of the neighborhood you live in?

I just described Rawle Alkins life. I don't blame him one bit for taking Zona's cash.

 

[gary-7]

It's easy for us to say no when we all seemingly live decent lives.

However, what if you're a single parent living in poverty and everyday you fear for your and your son's life because of the neighborhood you live in?

I just described Rawle Alkins life. I don't blame him one bit for taking Zona's cash.

Yeah, I have a hard time banging on Rawle. Kid had a good reason to come to down to WOG just to get out. Hell, he'd probably be at UNC if he could've gotten admitted.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Agree, I don't mind 2. Anything more...eh...losing 3 guys along with your upperclassman is very tough to replace (as UK, Zona, and Duke have proven).

Is there a difference in your mind of a bonafide OAD kid and a kid that played so well that at seasons end he put himself in lotto/1st round conversation and becomes OAD?

 

[dadika13]

Is there a difference in your mind of a bonafide OAD kid and a kid that played so well that at seasons end he put himself in lotto/1st round conversation and becomes OAD?

Yes.

While the latter is pretty rare (maybe 1 kid per year), if a freshman is THAT good where he seemingly outplays his ranking by a lot then I have a feeling our team did pretty well that year also. I welcome that situation.

 

[Archer2]

We'll agree to disagree then. He's going to get out regardless of which college he chooses.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

So, you'd encourage your son to cheat?

How's the view from your high horse?

 

[Archer2]

How's the view from your high horse?

I grew up dirt poor with both parents raging alcoholics. Don't preach that shit to me. I rose above it without cheating. You think it's okay? Fine. I don't.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I grew up dirt poor with both parents raging alcoholics. Don't preach that shit to me. I rose above it without cheating. You think it's okay? Fine. I don't.

Do I think it's okay for the family of a guy GOOD AT A SPORT to accept money for his skill? Yes.

 

[ACokeForRoy]

I could see Augustine throwing this kid and his family under the bus out of spite to decrease his punishment and save his own butt. I hope he doesn't stoop to that but you would be surprised at what folks do under the hot lights of the feds.

 

[Steat]

If the situation arises where Simi does want to commit and the only thing stopping that would be a scholarship I think it would be less of Roy asking Luke to give up his and more of Luke doing it for the betterment of the team. There aren't many kids like him these days.

Yep, there are not many kids like Maye these days. There are not that many kids like Maye who hit shots in the clutch. Roy is not going to ask Maye to give up his ship fro a recruit. Perhaps you keep forgetting that their are other players on the team that will be pushing for playing time.

 

[Archer2]

Do I think it's okay for the family of a guy GOOD AT A SPORT to accept money for his skill? Yes.

Then we live by a different ethics system. Despite all their issues, my parents taught us right from wrong.

 

[Tom79]

Augustine and Adidas guy have a relationship already...and the feds know it.

 

[tarheel0910]

Then we live by a different ethics system. Despite all their issues, my parents taught us right from wrong.

Right and wrong is subjective. Amirite @strummingram?

 

[Steat]

Been around the Rams Club and now the Ed Found for many years. I am not hearing anyone in the Ed Found express anything other than to trust the University, AD, staff, Roy and staff, if there is a single iota of a sniff of ANYTHING we're off the kid. I don't Simisola worries us as much as Nassir. But again, some of my Ed Found friends including few former players have said nothing much and they will trust in the process. We have a process and much ground to cover prior to enrollment of either of the kids.

Since there are thousands of Ram club members I'm not surprised at you comments. As I said in my post, the Ram member I know may be in the minority with his opinion. I can't speak for him, but since he said he would express his opinion to as many people as he can may indicate that he is in the minority and not happy about it. Regardless, Roy will be given the benefit of the doubt and when it all is said and done I will support Roy and the team. I do think that he will be ready to pounce if the move turns out to be the wrong one down the road.

 

[Tom79]

Yep, there are not many kids like Maye these days. There are not that many kids like Maye who hit shots in the clutch. Roy is not going to ask Maye to give up his ship fro a recruit. Perhaps you keep forgetting that their are other players on the team that will be pushing for playing time.

In the athletics department they can find a few partials to piece together a full, heck they pull them from all sports if the need arises.
The scholy is not an issue.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

In the athletics department they can find a few partials to piece together a full, heck they pull them from all sports if the need arises.
The scholy is not an issue.

That's . . . not allowed lol.

 

[Steat]

In the athletics department they can find a few partials to piece together a full, heck they pull them from all sports if the need arises.
The scholy is not an issue.

Perhaps they will piece one together for the recruit, but Roy is not touching Maye's ship. That would be an insult. Maye may be one of the leading scorers on the team this year. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[DSouthr]

Do I think it's okay for the family of a guy GOOD AT A SPORT to accept money for his skill? Yes.

And his taking money for playing that sport makes him professional by definition and there are avenues kids can take, directly out of high school if that is what they want to do. But the rules to play college basketball do not allow a kid to take money other than his scholarship.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Then we live by a different ethics system. Despite all their issues, my parents taught us right from wrong.

Ignoring the thinly veiled pot shot at my upbringing, I will address the rest of your poast. The only body stating my described action is unethical is the NCAA and its arbitrary rules. But if that's the hill you want to die on, go ahead.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

And his taking money for playing that sport makes him professional by definition and there are avenues kids can take, directly out of high school if that is what they want to do. But the rules to play college basketball do not allow a kid to take money other than his scholarship.

They already take money, even beyond the scholarship. They get paid a stipend and get free equipment. That already makes them not an amateur, by definition. So now we are just arguing degrees, rather than definition. "Well, getting a small stipend is okay because he's still sorta an amateur! But... $100,000?! No way. THAT is too much. Now he's just a pro."

 

[DSouthr]

Ignoring the thinly veiled pot shot at my upbringing, I will address the rest of your poast. The only body stating my described action is unethical is the NCAA and its arbitrary rules. But if that's the hill you want to die on, go ahead.

The NCAA rules are not supposed to be arbitrary, they may seem as such because they are or have been selectively enforced but they are the set of rules all programs are supposed to adhere to. Accepting rule breaking becomes the norm when folks look to justify the breaking of a rule to explain away wrong decisions when and if they get caught. Oh this should not have been against the rules, well it is and you knew it was when you broke the rules and now you get the punishment for getting caught as a rule breaker.

 

[Tom79]

That's . . . not allowed lol.

Um, yes it is as when I played soccer. Some way less than 1/3 full or less. Me, I had parents.

The NCAA dictates how many athletic scholarships each sport can offer in Division I and Division II. To squeeze out the maximum benefit, coaches routinely split up these awards. For instance, a Division I soccer coach is allowed up to 10 scholarships, but he or she can dole out this money into tinier scholarships to lure more athletes to their campuses. This practice can lead to some awfully dinky scholarships.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

The NCAA rules are not supposed to be arbitrary, they may seem as such because they are or have been selectively enforced but they are the set of rules all programs are supposed to adhere to. Accepting rule breaking becomes the norm when folks look to justify the breaking of a rule to explain away wrong decisions when and if they get caught. Oh this should not have been against the rules, well it is and you knew it was when you broke the rules and now you get the punishment for getting caught as a rule breaker.

Oh I agree, the rules should be followed......by the schools. Even though the rules are dumb, the schools should follow them because they're the rules. But if a player and his family decide to accept money thrust at them, I can't fault them one bit for doing so. Can you? I agree with @Hark_The_Sound_2010. Unless I'm loaded beyond belief, if my son is offered $150,000 for his commitment to University X, hell yeah I'm taking it.

 

[DSouthr]

They already take money, even beyond the scholarship. They get paid a stipend and get free equipment. That already makes them not an amateur, by definition. So now we are just arguing degrees, rather than definition. "Well, getting a small stipend is okay because he's still sorta an amateur! But... $100,000?! No way. THAT is too much. Now he's just a pro."

No, it does not, not by their (NCAA) definition and the definition of the ruling body is what counts. The NCAA says a tennis player can earn $10K in winnings and still qualify as an amateur, stay within that definition fine.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Um, yes it is as when I played soccer. Some way less than 1/3 full or less. Me, I had parents.

The NCAA dictates how many athletic scholarships each sport can offer in Division I and Division II. To squeeze out the maximum benefit, coaches routinely split up these awards. For instance, a Division I soccer coach is allowed up to 10 scholarships, but he or she can dole out this money into tinier scholarships to lure more athletes to their campuses. This practice can lead to some awfully dinky scholarships.

No, it isn't allowed. You said: "

In the athletics department they can find a few partials to piece together a full, heck they pull them from all sports if the need arises.
The scholy is not an issue.

That isn't allowed.

 

[DSouthr]

Oh I agree, the rules should be followed......by the schools. Even though the rules are dumb, the schools should follow them because they're the rules. But if a player and his family decide to accept money thrust at them, I can't fault them one bit for doing so. Can you? I agree with @Hark_The_Sound_2010. Unless I'm loaded beyond belief, if my son is offered $150,000 for his commitment to University X, hell yeah I'm taking it.

And that is fine, he just should not be allowed to play NCAA basketball, he can play in Euro or NBADL or just sit a year and take all the money he can get and more power to him for doing so.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

No, it does not, not by their (NCAA) definition and the definition of the ruling body is what counts. The NCAA says a tennis player can earn $10K in winnings and still qualify as an amateur, stay within that definition fine.

Okay, now you're letting the NCAA define amateurism, a concept that existed well before the NCAA existed. Amateurism is an abstract concept that means "not paid or remunerated for their participation in a competition." The NCAA can't really alter that just because it wants to do so.

Amateurism is a stupid concept and is a bastardization of Ancient Greek Olympics that became popular in 19th century Victorian England. Scholars at that time THOUGHT Greek athletes were noble because they competed in the Ancient Greek athletic competition for no money, only for the honor of sport. This is a categorically false understanding of history. Greek athletes were sponsored by rich members of society (exactly like college sports today) and received under-the-table payments for competing on behalf of the rich person(s).

It's a dumb concept through and through.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

And that is fine, he just should not be allowed to play NCAA basketball, he can play in Euro or NBADL or just sit a year and take all the money he can get and more power to him for doing so.

Yes, he can go to Europe or the NBADL. But he won't. He can build his brand infinitely better in college on national TV than he can in the NBADL or in Europe.

 

[DSouthr]

No, it isn't allowed. You said: "

That isn't allowed.

Different NCAA sports have different rules on the way scholarships can be doled out as well as eligibility allowances. The classic example is the Bear Bryant rule gary refers to but most NCAA sports do allow split scholarships, I do not believe basketball and football do.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Oh I agree, the rules should be followed......by the schools.......

Rules should be followed by all involved.

It's a deep moral and ethical dilemma, but ultimately any individual who breaks the rules is just that, a rule breaker. Means, background, upbringing, race, religion have nothing to do with it.... basically if the rules say you are not allowed to take an under-the-table payment then you are not allowed and doing so is breaking the rules.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Different NCAA sports have different rules on the way scholarships can be doled out as well as eligibility allowances. The classic example is the Bear Bryant rule gary refers to but most NCAA sports do allow split scholarships, I do not believe basketball and football do.

Yeah.... you can't do it in basketball. We're talking about basketball

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Rules should be followed by all involved.

It's a deep moral and ethical dilemma, but ultimately any individual who breaks the rules is just that, a rule breaker. Means, background, upbringing, race, religion have nothing to do with it.... basically if the rules say you are not allowed to take an under-the-table payment then you are not allowed and doing so is breaking the rules.

What does "following the rules" do for you when you're struggling to make ends meet and it's tough to put food on the table? Why should Player X give a damn if School Y gets punished by the NCAA after the fact? If his family is struggling, he's going to take that money if it's offered.

 

[tarheel0910]

Amateurism is a stupid concept and is a bastardization of Ancient Greek Olympics that became popular in 19th century Victorian England. Scholars at that time THOUGHT Greek athletes were noble because they competed in the Ancient Greek athletic competition for no money, only for the honor of sport. This is a categorically false understanding of history. Greek athletes were sponsored by rich members of society (exactly like college sports today) and received under-the-table payments for competing on behalf of the rich person(s).

 

[TarHeelNation11]

tl;dr: the amateurism ideal the NCAA is built on is an incorrect understanding of history.

 

[DSouthr]

Okay, now you're letting the NCAA define amateurism, a concept that existed well before the NCAA existed. Amateurism is an abstract concept that means "not paid or remunerated for their participation in a competition." The NCAA can't really alter that just because it wants to do so.

Amateurism is a stupid concept and is a bastardization of Ancient Greek Olympics that became popular in 19th century Victorian England. Scholars at that time THOUGHT Greek athletes were noble because they competed in the Ancient Greek athletic competition for no money, only for the honor of sport. This is a categorically false understanding of history. Greek athletes were sponsored by rich members of society (exactly like college sports today) and received under-the-table payments for competing on behalf of the rich person(s).

It's a dumb concept through and through.

I am not letting the NCAA define amateurism as it applies to NCAA eligibility, they are the ruling body for NCAA sports and they have the 100% right to define it any way they want.

In life there are rules and MANY times we do not agree with those rules and many times would or do break those rules because we individually do not agree with them but that doesn't mean there is no punishment if you get caught, nor should it. I personally think wearing a seat belt id a stupid rule and because I do I have had several seat belt violations, the only traffic violations I have had in over 20yrs. But I darn sure am not going in front of a judge and saying your honor, you can not fine me because I believe that law is stupid. Stupid or not it is law and on the books, NCAA rules stupid or not to any 1 person;s opinion are on the books, same same.