NC Central *can* beat KU

[bleeduncblue]

Being here in Derm I pay a lot of attention to Coach Moton and the Eagles ... have seen them play live several times this year. They have talented upperclassmen with a lot of confidence and play VERY good defense nearly all the time. I really hope they play well and win on Wednesday night and get to play KU .... I'm telling you that it could be one of the toughest 1 vs 16 match ups ever. I'm thrilled that KU may get them and not our Heels.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I love Coach Moton and NCCU since I have a degree from them as well. I agree that they could make it tough on KU, but KU would have to also have help some too. I am hoping like heck that they get the chance to play KU in prime time AND that Coach Moton doesn't get offered the NCSU job!

 

[bleeduncblue]

I love Coach Moton and NCCU since I have a degree from them as well. I agree that they could make it tough on KU, but KU would have to also have help some too. I am hoping like heck that they get the chance to play KU in prime time AND that Coach Moton doesn't get offered the NCSU job!

I can tell you with 100% certainty that Coach M is not going to State.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that Coach M is not going to State.

Both parties would be incredibly dumb and short-sighted to make that move.

It would be smart for Moo to offer Kevin Keatts, but it would be very dumb for Kevin Keatts to accept the offer.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Keats will be next Moo coach.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Keats will be next Moo coach.

Nah I don't think so. If he takes that job, he effectively removes himself from being the future Louisville head coach because of the (unwritten?) agreement between ACC schools that they won't poach each other's coach.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Keats is about the 4th name on the Moooo list .... if it gets to him, I'm sure he'll take it. But I dont think it will go that far.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

I think it will get to him. None of their primary picks will take it. Just my opinion.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Sh

Keats is about the 4th name on the Moooo list .... if it gets to him, I'm sure he'll take it. But I dont think it will go that far.

He should be their #1 name, but he isn't because, you know, ncstatelol.

 

[bleeduncblue]

I think it will get to him. None of their primary picks will take it. Just my opinion.

You could be right. I've heard they're expecting their #1 pick to accept .... after he wins one more national championship as the Head Coach at Kentucky

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Yeh I've seen those Moo dummies that think Cal will see state as an opportunity to come in snd steal the show From K and Roy and cement his legacy. I could be completely wrong but don't think State has ANYTHING that attracts a marquee name like Cal.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Yeh I've seen those Moo dummies that think Cal will see state as an opportunity to come in snd steal the show From K and Roy and cement his legacy. I could be completely wrong but don't think State has ANYTHING that attracts a marquee name like Cal.

Nah, you're not wrong. They're delusional sheep humpers still waiting for the return of Jimmy V.

 

[bleeduncblue]

IMO. Gregg Marshall and the Shockers will lose to Dayton this week - then Marshall will accept the Mooooo job within 2 weeks.

 

[HeelFan58]

Keats is about the 4th name on the Moooo list .... if it gets to him, I'm sure he'll take it. But I dont think it will go that far.

I think moo usually has to go with like the 5th choice.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Keats is about the 4th name on the Moooo list .... if it gets to him, I'm sure he'll take it. But I dont think it will go that far.

I'd be curious as to who you think the top 3 are.

You could be right. I've heard they're expecting their #1 pick to accept .... after he wins one more national championship as the Head Coach at Kentucky

Ok. So I guess you're saying here that Cal is #1 on moo's list.

IMO. Gregg Marshall and the Shockers will lose to Dayton this week - then Marshall will accept the Mooooo job within 2 weeks.

And I take it that you think Marshall is #2.

Who is #3 before Keatts?

And oh yeah,

IMO. Gregg Marshall and the Shockers will lose to Dayton this week - then Marshall will accept the Mooooo job within 2 weeks.

That would be very disappointing as a UNC fan. I'm a huge fan of Marshall's. I think he's a top 10-15 coach in college basketball. He could potentially get moo to where they compete for ACC titles. Or at the very least, he could turn moo into a real thorn in our side.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

If Marshall takes that job he isn't as smart as peeps say he is! That place is a dumpster fire with delusions of grandeur. The competition for recruits from puke and UNC AND a growing ability by Wake is not conducive to quick turn arounds. The fanbase and administration are impatient and will not wait for who ever goes there to right the ship. Moo is swiftly turning into the place where careers go to die! The best option for them is a young coach that can grow into the role. Therefore...

Keats is their best choice in my opinion and, if they are patient, he will make them competitive! Maybe they can convince Sendak to return or Jim's brother Bob to take over!

 

[bleeduncblue]

I'm a huge fan of Marshall's. I think he's a top 10-15 coach in college basketball. He could potentially get moo to where they compete for ACC titles. Or at the very least, he could turn moo into a real thorn in our side.

Hence the reason they want to (and will) hire him. I don't specifically know who the top 3 or whatever is, I just know that GM is at or very near the top.

There are plenty of reasons to say why he "shouldn't" come to Mooo ...but step back and look at the potential upsides too, that list isn't exactly short.

 

[Heelicious]

Hence the reason they want to (and will) hire him. I don't specifically know who the top 3 or whatever is, I just know that GM is at or very near the top.

There are plenty of reasons to say why he "shouldn't" come to Mooo ...but step back and look at the potential upsides too, that list isn't exactly short.

and top of the list is Dollar Dollar Bills, I assume.
Second would be Raleigh is a better place to recruit into, vs. windswept plains of Kansas.

 

[bleeduncblue]

and top of the list is Dollar Dollar Bills, I assume.
Second would be Raleigh is a better place to recruit into, vs. windswept plains of Kansas.

...the conference, the competition (that's an upside and a downside - but for true competitors, more of a plus), the TV exposure.

think about it, Roy/K/Boewhine/Pitino are all on the tail ends of their careers ...a good coach at Mooooo *could* find himself in a very good position 3 or 4 years from now.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Recruits that will stay for a few months and move on care more about winning program tradition than they do the school community. Bill Self moving to Moo from KU is a ludicrous idea. Heck, they might as well ask Roy.....wait they did once, lol!

 

[gunslingerdick]

Hence the reason they want to (and will) hire him. I don't specifically know who the top 3 or whatever is, I just know that GM is at or very near the top.

There are plenty of reasons to say why he "shouldn't" come to Mooo ...but step back and look at the potential upsides too, that list isn't exactly short.

Oh, you don't have to sell me on NCSU being a good gig. I believe it is. But there are others that have allowed their hate of moo to cloud their reasoning.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Cal, Marshall, Miller, Keatts seems to be their top targets on the Farm

 

[gary-7]

Being here in Derm I pay a lot of attention to Coach Moton and the Eagles ... have seen them play live several times this year. They have talented upperclassmen with a lot of confidence and play VERY good defense nearly all the time. I really hope they play well and win on Wednesday night and get to play KU .... I'm telling you that it could be one of the toughest 1 vs 16 match ups ever. I'm thrilled that KU may get them and not our Heels.

Well... one way or the other I'll sure as hell be pulling for the 16 vs KU. Hope it's them.

 

[gary-7]

IMO. Gregg Marshall and the Shockers will lose to Dayton this week - then Marshall will accept the Mooooo job within 2 weeks.

Gonna disagree on that part, if nothing else for the good of my bracket.

Seriously, I'm curious to hear from you and any posters in the Triangle what the scuttlebutt is up there on the State job?
Down here the first name I heard pop up in conversations was Miller (no surprise for obvious reasons --- even heard one rumor there had been contact).

Interested to hear from someone closer to the situation. Are there any legs to the Marshall thing?

 

[bleeduncblue]

Gonna disagree on that part, if nothing else for the good of my bracket.

Seriously, I'm curious to hear from you and any posters in the Triangle what the scuttlebutt is up there on the State job?
Down here the first name I heard pop up in conversations was Miller (no surprise for obvious reasons --- even heard one rumor there had been contact).

Interested to hear from someone closer to the situation. Are there any legs to the Marshall thing?

Miller is out ... per his family.

 

[gary-7]

Miller is out ... per his family.

Interesting. Hopefully Marshall stays away.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I don't hate NCSU any more, it is more like pity at this point. Regardless, I don't see what makes NCSU such a good job. I see plenty of reasons to avoid it, but if you are coaching at a D-1 school, why would you think NCSU is anything but lateral?

Peeps really believe Slimy would even consider this job?
Marshall and Miller would be crazed to think about it.
Just heard Matta will soon be available!
Keats..now this is an interesting one to me! This might be a good choice for both parties.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Regardless, I don't see what makes NCSU such a good job. I see plenty of reasons to avoid it, but if you are coaching at a D-1 school, why would you think NCSU is anything but lateral?

-$$$
-the competition (again, this seems like a negative to FANS but for many head coaches who are ultra competitors, this type of competition is motivating and can be seen as a positive -- plus, the HoF coaches that you're up against are very much 'one foot out the door' anyway.
-the TV and personal exposure of the ACC.
-family living in one of the top 5 best places in the country.
-Mooooo is a basketball-first-school (as opposed to places like tOSU, Florida, etc)

 

[Archer2]

Boewhine may be "one foot out the door" but the other three aren't yet. If I'm a coach, I'd have to think thrice before taking over the mess at NVSU. It's a school where coaches go to see their careers die.

Yes, there are significant positives. But there are negatives as well. If they can hire Keatts or Moten, they should IMO.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Boewhine may be "one foot out the door" but the other three aren't yet. If I'm a coach, I'd have to think thrice before taking over the mess at NVSU. It's a school where coaches go to see their careers die.

Yes, there are significant positives. But there are negatives as well. If they can hire Keatts or Moten, they should IMO.

Wont have to coach against them for more than 3 to 6 years .. that's what I meant. A hyper competitive personality would be drawn to the idea of going against those guys at the tail end of their career and then all of the sudden become the "experienced" coach in the Triangle.

It's been a Coaches graveyard bc said Coach has been up against Dean/Roy/K the entire time .... wont be like that for much longer. A Hall of Famer wont be sitting on those benches in the not-so-distant-future.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

A few things:

1. Not even the craziest of crazy Pack Pride fans has ever mentioned Calipari this time around, unless it's in jest. Not even Moo fans are that stupid to think they could get Calipari.

2. This "it's so hard to recruit because Duke and UNC are so close by" thing is a lazy fabrication tossed in by fans and even pundits. It's not as if schools are limited to recruiting players living within a 50-mile radius of their campus or something. Sure, Moo has to recruit "against" UNC and Duke, but so does the entire ACC, Kentucky, South Carolina, Kansas, Texas, Indiana, etc. etc. Basketball recruiting is totally national, unlike the regional flavor of football recruiting. Moo being "close by" UNC and Duke doesn't really mean anything. If anything, it's a positive.

3. Marshall is not coming to NC State. I've seen people say "$$$$" Go google what all Marshall is getting paid and given at Wichita State. Basically no school can match the pay package and perks he's receiving in Wichita.

4. "Raleigh [or insert other location] is such a great place to live!" is a fairly pointless tidbit that people toss out to make a job sound more attractive than it is. If the program has potential, coaches will go there, regardless of how awesome or crappy the locale is. Kansas and Kentucky will always have a good coach, despite Lawrence and Lexington being bleh. Sure, location could mean something to some candidates, but I doubt it means much to most candidates.

5. I agree that there will be a vacuum of power in the ACC in a few years. The problem is Moo doesn't give coaches long enough to be in charge when that window finally opens. Gottfried made two Sweet 16s and was tossed after Year 6. If that repeats itself with the next hire, there is no guarantee Roy, Pitino, and K will all be gone by then.

6. If State can somehow lure Keatts -- I have my doubts -- that would be an incredible win for them. I think Keatts is the real deal and has tremendous upside. If they hire Wade, though, he will join the coaching graveyard.

 

[bleeduncblue]

THN ... serious question ... are you married? And if so, do you have kids?

 

[TarHeelNation11]

THN ... serious question ... are you married? And if so, do you have kids?

No to both. I understand that location can play a part in a coach's decision, but the real competitive ones won't value that very highly IMO.

Of course.... I know nothing about the mantra "happy wife, happy life" yet, so maybe I'm speaking out of turn

 

[bleeduncblue]

No to both. I understand that location can play a part in a coach's decision, but the real competitive ones won't value that very highly IMO.

Of course.... I know nothing about the mantra "happy wife, happy life" yet, so maybe I'm speaking out of turn

You made my point ... no offense, bro ... none at all. But unless you have a wife and kids, you cant truly speak to the "where you live matters" train of thought ... and to be honest, that has a hand to play in the money part too. Sure, he's making nice money at WSU .. but he can and would make more at Moooooo.

 

[tarheel0910]

5. I agree that there will be a vacuum of power in the ACC in a few years. The problem is Moo doesn't give coaches long enough to be in charge when that window finally opens. Gottfried made two Sweet 16s and was tossed after Year 6. If that repeats itself with the next hire, there is no guarantee Roy, Pitino, and K will all be gone by then

It's probably going to happen at least one more time because Yow will be leaving soon. An AD likes to make their own hire, so my guess is the new person will be on an extremely short leash.

 

[tarheel0910]

Sure, he's making nice money at WSU .. but he can and would make more at Moooooo.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. He's making 3.3 million right now. Even if state would pay more, I'm guessing WSU would try to match it.

 

[bleeduncblue]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. He's making 3.3 million right now. Even if state would pay more, I'm guessing WSU would try to match it.

True ... but the ACC offers things that the MVAC never will.

 

[tarheel0910]

True ... but the ACC offers things that the MVAC never will.

That's true. State is the only school in the country that guarantees you two losses a year against UNC.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Sure, he's making nice money at WSU .. but he can and would make more at Moooooo.

This you're wrong on, especially if you consider "value in kind" of what all he's getting at Wichita State besides his salary. Moo can't match it. Hell, we couldn't match it.

To wit (link here) :

In his new deal signed last year, he gets (emphasis mine) :

• Base salary increases to $3 million this year.

• Base salary increases to $3.5 million in 2018.

• Marshall’s potential bonuses include $100,000 for reaching the Final Four and $200,000 for a national championship.

• Two courtesy cars.

• Complimentary memberships at Flint Hills National Golf Club, Crestview Country Club and Genesis Health Clubs.

• 16 complimentary tickets to each home game, used at his discretion.

• Usage of a private plane for recruiting trips.

• Charter jets for the team to travel to away games. A charter bus can also be used for away games to certain destinations and within a certain radius of Wichita.

• Three personal flights on a private aircraft anywhere in the continental U.S. each contract year.

• Salary pool of $623,000 to spend on three assistant coaches and a director of basketball operations.

• The opportunity to gain additional income through camps, endorsements and speaking engagements.

 

[bleeduncblue]

I've responded inside your response ...

This you're wrong on, especially if you consider "value in kind" of what all he's getting at Wichita State besides his salary. Moo can't match it. Hell, we couldn't match it.

To wit (link here) :

In his new deal signed last year, he gets (emphasis mine) :

• Base salary increases to $3 million this year. (Moooo would match)

• Base salary increases to $3.5 million in 2018. (Moooo would match)

• Marshall’s potential bonuses include $100,000 for reaching the Final Four and $200,000 for a national championship. (Moooo would match)

• Two courtesy cars. (not sure but I'm sure Mooooe would/could match, at least with a tractor or backhoe)

• Complimentary memberships at Flint Hills National Golf Club, Crestview Country Club and Genesis Health Clubs. (Moooo coaches have memberships at North Ridge and Lonnie Poole)

• 16 complimentary tickets to each home game, used at his discretion. (I'm sure Moooo would match)

• Usage of a private plane for recruiting trips. (Momooo has that)

• Charter jets for the team to travel to away games. A charter bus can also be used for away games to certain destinations and within a certain radius of Wichita. (State has that)

• Three personal flights on a private aircraft anywhere in the continental U.S. each contract year. (dunno, but doesnt seem that difficult)

• Salary pool of $623,000 to spend on three assistant coaches and a director of basketball operations. (Mooooo exceeds that as of right now, $710k)

• The opportunity to gain additional income through camps, endorsements and speaking engagements.(Mooooo would match)

Point being, I personally believe that Mooooo would match or exceed anything that WSU can throw at Marshall. I'm done debating it bc it's speculation (although I know for fact they're talking to Marshall and/or his peeps and the door has not been closed, as it has with Miller) .... we'll see what happens. I personally dont care who they hire, it's fun whipping them but I'm also old enough to remember when the rivalry mattered and was competitive and I wouldnt mind that again.