But 2 of those teams we don't have to play of Indiana/Kentucky/WVU/Xavier. I'd rather 4 good teams in the bracket with us than 1 super team (like a Mich St/Nova/Okla as 2 seeds). Our goal isn't get to an elite 8, it's to win a title. Not having to go through them until a Final Four is very nice.
NC gets hosed by NCAA seeding committee IMO. Toughest bracket.
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Of course what you just said is true. I never said otherwise.
What I and others ARE saying is that the human beings on the selection committee have shown certain propensities... propensities which have once again manifested themselves. The disparities among the region brackets has been empirically confirmed by every possible metric. Anyone who denies the obvious is also not being rational.
Man you guys are f****** loaded. Backcourt had better get its act together especially Paige who's been my favorite pg since his sophomore year. Britt just has to continue to play that all around glue guy rule and play that defense like the pitbull he is. Front is damn well loaded. Who's gonna stop Brice Johnson let alone Big Meeks and the five other serviceable bigs that would start at a majority of tournament teams.
Indiana is your only true threat because of their balance. Yogi is am somewhat elite pg and they spread the floor well and penetrate with many capable knock down shooters. Troy williams is very athletic and will be all over the place and Thomas Bryant is also a young stud but all in all watch how Duke ran them out the gym and that's your key to victory along with great perimeter defense.
As far as UK goes Ulis AND Murray are the absolute real deal and just too much for in athletic sec guards. Ulis has been the best PG in the nation hands down, they are a nit team without him. Now uk's problems come with there inside presence. Skal has really came along as of late but Unc has enough physical bodies to throw at him and push him around until he eventually checks out mentality or fouls out. Poythress is the wildcard. If he brings it and put work in in the middle Unc could be in trouble is Ulis/Murray are doing what they usually do carrying the team. Marcus Lee is not productive offensively bit he will catch three or four lobs that could be back breakers.
UK is solid but they should be the least of you worries.
Indiana is your only true threat because of their balance. Yogi is am somewhat elite pg and they spread the floor well and penetrate with many capable knock down shooters. Troy williams is very athletic and will be all over the place and Thomas Bryant is also a young stud but all in all watch how Duke ran them out the gym and that's your key to victory along with great perimeter defense.
As far as UK goes Ulis AND Murray are the absolute real deal and just too much for in athletic sec guards. Ulis has been the best PG in the nation hands down, they are a nit team without him. Now uk's problems come with there inside presence. Skal has really came along as of late but Unc has enough physical bodies to throw at him and push him around until he eventually checks out mentality or fouls out. Poythress is the wildcard. If he brings it and put work in in the middle Unc could be in trouble is Ulis/Murray are doing what they usually do carrying the team. Marcus Lee is not productive offensively bit he will catch three or four lobs that could be back breakers.
UK is solid but they should be the least of you worries.
I'm not saying everyone thinks that, but there are several people who have made comments about this being a conspiracy on this thread and other threads in the past.
That's my point strum. It's not the NCAA selection committee's job to orchestrate "entertaining" matchups. Their job is to make the regions as even as they possibly can, letting the chips fall where they may. I'm not adverse to allowing the higher seeds play their first couple of games closer to their fan base. I understand that. But to intentionally arrange potential matchups between UNC/KU or IU/UK is intentionally manipulating the system.
Like everything else, money and politics have perverted the process. With the pressure the NCAA is under to punish UNC, do you think they're above placing us in the most difficult region in order to deter us from winning the title? I think their arbitrary actions during our never-ending investigation have demonstrated that they're not above anything. Having two former dookies on the committee just reinforces that belief, as does seeing dook continually placed in a weak region.
I'm not a conspiracy theory type, as a general rule. But when it comes to the NCAA and UNC, there's no doubt in my mind that they desire to punish us. They haveñ't found enough evidence to punish us to the extent they desire, by making a PC example of us. Ergo, their never-ending investigation. There's more than one way to skin a cat. They've been punishing us for five years now.
In a year where there isn't a whole lot separating the top 20(?) teams in the country, we would have felt like we got the shaft regardless where we were placed.
There are teams in every bracket I didn't want to see in ours:
Cal and Iowa
Oklahoma
Kentucky
Purdue, Michigan State
There's no perfect draw this year. I think the west is easiest but there are road blocks everywhere because everyone has flaws.
There are teams in every bracket I didn't want to see in ours:
Cal and Iowa
Oklahoma
Kentucky
Purdue, Michigan State
There's no perfect draw this year. I think the west is easiest but there are road blocks everywhere because everyone has flaws.
I think a lot of teams think that though. KU fans think KU is being punished for academic issues with people like Diallo and Alexander the past few years. KU is the top overall seed but goes to Louisville instead of Kansas heavy Chicago. UNC's road is not bad - at least not so bad as to think it's a conspiracy to punish them.
Look at the second round games. UNC plays one of two teams that are a combined 1-13 against the top 25. KU gets teams that are 3-8, Oregon 3-4, and 6-13. That is a major benefit to UNC. Beyond that it's pretty much guesswork but UK is definitely a scary team, but would you rather face a hot and more talented Cal? What about Duke? The weakest of the four is likely ISU but those other three are teams that can win it all or lose in the first round. As for the #2s, UNC got hands down the best #2. Would you rather play Michigan State (who should be a 1) or Oklahoma, a team that spent much of the year #1 with the likely player of the year? What about Nova who is RPI #4?
I point these out merely to say if you want to find a conspiracy you'll see one. I don't think the NCAA has it out for UNC anymore than they do any other school and all told, UNC's road is no more daunting than one other #1.
I'll agree KU and UNC got placed in the toughest regions. The weakest 1 seed, Oregon, probably has the easiest.
Some of you need to get a hold of yourselves. I realize a lot of you really desperately want to believe that the NCAA is conspiring against UNC, But this tin foil mentality is really pathetic.
Yes there are 4 top 10 teams in our bracket. We will only have to face ONE of them. And chances are that team could lose if we're good enough to get that far ourselves. Are you all really that frightened of competition at this point?
As I've said before, this could have been a lot worse for us. We did ourselves the best service by winning the ACC title. Just need a 6 game win streak. Let's see how this weekend plays out!
Yes there are 4 top 10 teams in our bracket. We will only have to face ONE of them. And chances are that team could lose if we're good enough to get that far ourselves. Are you all really that frightened of competition at this point?
As I've said before, this could have been a lot worse for us. We did ourselves the best service by winning the ACC title. Just need a 6 game win streak. Let's see how this weekend plays out!
Sorry but if anyone thinks the committee conspires every year to give us a hard draw and dook an easy draw then u r just a deluded fool and u have my sympathy.
I bet the NCAA is gonna send refs to this game that call all sorts of BS against us. Probably the clock operator from Hansbrough Indoor too.
Our players will have to wear weights i hear to make it fair
Also the tourney will be re seeded each rd to make sure we stay in the hardest bracket
Also the tourney will be re seeded each rd to make sure we stay in the hardest bracket
Matchups? Yes. Conspiracy? No. If there was some great conspiracy we sure wouldn't have gotten the #2 overall seed or gotten Xavier as our 2. IU was Big Ten regular season champion but no one thinks they are the best team in that conference. Kentucky was SEC champion but has some bad losses. No one is trying to screw over UNC. I mean, we play our first two games in the state of North Carolina.
the point being that the tail is wagging the dog as seen here.. And the Dog is: ________?
I will take Debbie Yow for $1000 please Alex.
Why is it that when someone takes note of something not making logical sense that so many feel the need to tag that person as spreading a conspiricy theroy? If you look at all the brackets and determine for example that UNC has the hardest path but duke has a cake walk and you voice that opinion then someone just can't seem to wait to tag that person in need of a tin foil hat? You either agree with the perception the guy has or not, argue a counter point or argue agreement but this "conspiricy theroy" nonsense is cheap and it is a cop out.
Yeah, I see things that do not make sense, you can call me in need for a tin hat as well if ya like. But I do see during the season for example, some teams got GREAT HOME COOKIN from the refs, I didn't see refs giving us home cooking, did you? When I see a UNC team that features pounding the ball inside the paint get to the foul line much less than a team that is pretty much exclusive jump shooting then I am going to suggest something does not smell right, does that qualify me for a tin hat?
I guess maybe to some it is cute to be a smart arse and maybe easier than actually discussion when you disagree? I see a guy like gary refer to the way the refs called a game and folks will point to his need to put on his tin hat. Funny thou, when I read thru the game threads that are there for every game I see some of those same folks calling for tin hats screaming about the fouls that were not fouls called on us or the lack of fouling of our players being called? Strange how that changes when gary mentions the interesting manner the refs called a particular game in his recap of the game?
It just strikes me as this need for some to divide this fan base rather than working to unit it. Why this need to negatively label someone else that wants the very same thing you want? Damn, if you disagree with someone express it, I do that ALL THE TIME! But I do NOT like attempts to divide this fan base, said that before and will say it many times again I am sure. But when I see something I do not like I am going to discuss it, if it pisses ya off so be it, label me in any way you feel the need but expect to be drawn in to a discussion when ya place that label on me and don't expect it to be easy.
Yeah, I see things that do not make sense, you can call me in need for a tin hat as well if ya like. But I do see during the season for example, some teams got GREAT HOME COOKIN from the refs, I didn't see refs giving us home cooking, did you? When I see a UNC team that features pounding the ball inside the paint get to the foul line much less than a team that is pretty much exclusive jump shooting then I am going to suggest something does not smell right, does that qualify me for a tin hat?
I guess maybe to some it is cute to be a smart arse and maybe easier than actually discussion when you disagree? I see a guy like gary refer to the way the refs called a game and folks will point to his need to put on his tin hat. Funny thou, when I read thru the game threads that are there for every game I see some of those same folks calling for tin hats screaming about the fouls that were not fouls called on us or the lack of fouling of our players being called? Strange how that changes when gary mentions the interesting manner the refs called a particular game in his recap of the game?
It just strikes me as this need for some to divide this fan base rather than working to unit it. Why this need to negatively label someone else that wants the very same thing you want? Damn, if you disagree with someone express it, I do that ALL THE TIME! But I do NOT like attempts to divide this fan base, said that before and will say it many times again I am sure. But when I see something I do not like I am going to discuss it, if it pisses ya off so be it, label me in any way you feel the need but expect to be drawn in to a discussion when ya place that label on me and don't expect it to be easy.
There are people on this very thread saying not just that the East is the toughest bracket but that the committee did that deliberately to punish UNC for its issues, and/or because there are dukies on the committee. That is a textbook conspiracy theory, Dave.
Here's the problem. There is no way to argue with these points, because you haven't given me any facts to argue against. If you can show me anything that proves what you are saying is true, then by all means show it to me and I will gladly admit that I was wrong. Just because you don't agree with a judgment call doesn't mean that people are against UNC. I guess paranoid would have been a better word to use as oppose to conspiracy. I'm not trying to divide the fan base, but when I see something I disagree with I am going to point it out and I won't be PC about it. It's just not in my nature, so don't take it personally.
LOL, well, if that is the worst thing the NCAA can do to us then I will be happy for us to take it and move on!
Look, we are I think the over all #2 team with kansas being the over all #1. I think most would agree that of the 1 seeds oregon may be considered to have been the last #1 yet when you look at their path way to the final 4 it does seem easier than the top 2 over all seeds. Should it not be the stronger seeds getting the cleaner path, kinda logical isn't it?
Here is a shock, duke just happens to be in the same region as the weakest of the 1 seeds? Geez, bet ya didn't see that coming did ya, especially considering past years of duke path ways for the NCAAT. Can you honestly tell me that you believe that the dukies on the committee were not at least in part responsible for the yet again easy pathway duke has in this NCAAT? Their last 2 nattys have been absolute seeding gifts, you would think at least by accident that one of these days duke would have to actually makes it way thru a difficult bracket like we seem to always have to do? Disagree? Recall our path way last season, we had Whisky and had we beat them we had Ky, duke had who again?
I do absolutely believe that dukies on that selection committee benefits duke's draw, I 1000% believe that just as I believe that duke gets the benefit of the refs in a tilted manner. Other wise explain it, explain how it happens year after year after year without end? No, I don't believe the NCAA considers where we are seeded as punishment for us but I as well do not believe the duke members on that selection committee will allow us to have a easy pathway to the final 4. That is fine, we will play who ever is in front of us to play but there is some bull on that committee as well and that should not be.
So you are in fact arguing that there was some kind of conspiracy or collusion to give UNC a harder road? In that case own it, and don't get upset when someone calls it what it is - a conspiracy theory.
That might make since if we had to play them in the first or second round, but to complain that we had to play a tough team in the elite eight and final four makes no sense. There aren't many low seeds making it that far. Would it have been that much better had we been on the other side of the bracket and maybe faced dook, UVA or Villanova?
I think its very farfetched to believe that the committee deliberately gives UNC a tough road as punishment, or because they don't like UNC or whatever. They do however, clearly orchestrate specific matchups in the 2nd round, sweet 16, etc. that will allow them to better market their product, which I have no problem with. In years that Kentucky/Kansas/MSU/(anyone else they can get a good UNC storyline with) is good, that doesn't benefit UNC as they will likely be put in the same path as those teams. However, if Kentucky were reeling right now, and Ulis had just torn his ACL - the committee still would have put Kentucky in UNC's bracket and we'd be happy that they set up matchups because in this case it would have benefited us.
That said, Duke does tend to get fairly easy draws year in and year out, and can be said to get a seed or two higher than they probably deserve fairly frequently as well. Look at their rankings entering the final weeks in past years, and the rankings of the teams that are in their regions. I'm not saying it's drastic - that they earn a 10 seed but get gifted a 2 seed and play mid-majors throughout - but they do frequently get seeded a spot or two ahead of their rankings and get some favorably ranked teams in their path as well. I think it's hard to say it's a coincidence that this happens regularly, and there are Duke people on the committee. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, which is defined as "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."- because I don't think its a secret, and I don't think it's unlawful or harmful - it's just giving the benefit of the doubt, or a push in the right direction, to a person(s)' team they have ties to.
That said, Duke does tend to get fairly easy draws year in and year out, and can be said to get a seed or two higher than they probably deserve fairly frequently as well. Look at their rankings entering the final weeks in past years, and the rankings of the teams that are in their regions. I'm not saying it's drastic - that they earn a 10 seed but get gifted a 2 seed and play mid-majors throughout - but they do frequently get seeded a spot or two ahead of their rankings and get some favorably ranked teams in their path as well. I think it's hard to say it's a coincidence that this happens regularly, and there are Duke people on the committee. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, which is defined as "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."- because I don't think its a secret, and I don't think it's unlawful or harmful - it's just giving the benefit of the doubt, or a push in the right direction, to a person(s)' team they have ties to.
I have no prob with people claiming we have the toughest bracket. Its all subjective and depends on match ups and who's hot and who's got a history with the other schools and so on. Big ten fans by far have the biggest reason to bitch. Its the notion that we're in a tough bracket as a conspiracy against us or punishment that's absolute horse shyt. There is absolutely no way on this earth to put together a 67 team tourney and be considerate of travel and conf teams playing each other in early rounds without creating matchups later in the tourney that fan bases are gonna bitch about. Its impossible. But if any of u conspiracists wanna do it then by all means re seed the tourney. I guarantee u i could advocate half a dz schools and rip your shyt to shreds for "screwing us over". So go ahead. Do it.
A lot of this is regional. More good teams in the midwest, and south eastern part of the country. So if they protect seeds to a specific region and or location, we'll be in a tougher region than teams like Gonzaga and Arizona.
I think that's the "ACC effect" more than anything else. By that I mean that the ACC is perceived to be the better conference historically and therefore a school playing in the ACC gets the benefit of the doubt because of the perceived tougher schedule. Same thing in football, except it's with the SEC.
Now wait a minute, I said the same thing, that IMO the dukies on the committee "help" the duke team with seeding and placement. The comment under the thread where I said it is for me to own the conspiracy theory but the same fella liked your saying the very same thing as I?
By the way, in an interview I heard on radio yesterday one of the committee members absolutely denied that they orchestrate certain match ups. It was put to him questioning the Texas vs Texas A&M match up or the UNC vs Ky or IU match ups and he flatly denied they had any consideration of that what so ever. Now that was straight from the horses mouth, from a selection committee member.
Now isn't a very important aspect to any conspiracy that the guilty parties deny their guilt? You put forth in your post, a post that was liked by the same fella that wanted me to OWN my thoughts as a conspiracy theory, a by defination conspiracy theory, I am expecting that same fella that liked your post request you own it as well?
Further, I would request that if the poster did like your offering (and I did by the way) then that I take as he agrees with it and in turn is as well involved in spreading the defined conspiracy theory. I am saying use the same standard across the board or throw out the term completely
It is not as if I am disagreeing with you by the way, you just said the very same thing I did, I just found it odd that it was considered different. And that is my point in this, that is my point in this label of thoughts being tagged as conspiracy theory rantings and being dismissed as less than worthy of discussion.
Looks guys, given enough time I seriously doubt there is a single poster here that I could not involve in some variation of what gets labeled a conspiracy theory by some. I think this conspiracy theory allegation stuff is a means to demean thoughts of others. I am trying to pull this board together, not split it apart, but it ain't easy when we have so many that seem so intent on dividing up in to camps. This is not survivor island folks, this is a bunch of UNC fans that love to discuss on topic. You do not have to agree with any one, I disagree with folks all the time but I try as hard as I can to logically discuss with folks that are wanting to discuss and I do not like anything that divides this fan base nor can I understand why folks feel the need to that are members of this fan base.
@Hark_The_Sound_2010 Whaddaya think, you gonna own up to this conspiracy stuff or what?
Boss, there are tuff games in the elite 8 and final 4 but are you really suggesting last season that Whisky & Ky were not any different than Villinova and Uva?
Now I don't have last years bracket available to review but I do clearly recall looking at duke's path and wondering how it could possibally have been any easier and that strikes me as a anual thought for the last few years.
