In defense of the OP on this, I understand why it was started b/c of all the sudden talk about things on the TBS broadcast the day the post was created.
NCAA investigation?
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It's all anyone is talking about. It's the front page, lead story on ESPN.com right now. It's mentioned in depth in the lead story on SI.com. Any preview of the game talks about it. Why are we going to hide from it and pretend it doesn't exist?
It does exist, Emmert even issued a comment on it last week.
As Carolina fans we ought to give an assist to those that need clarification such as those that appear on fan sites with bad information or outright falsehoods.. As to the idiots out there "reporting" like Ms. O'Neil at dspn (couldn't even get her facts straight on Brice's foul and the entire nation saw it live on TV) they are simply amazing, they have ALL the facts and still screw it up.
That and it is filler reporting until Friday.
As Carolina fans we ought to give an assist to those that need clarification such as those that appear on fan sites with bad information or outright falsehoods.. As to the idiots out there "reporting" like Ms. O'Neil at dspn (couldn't even get her facts straight on Brice's foul and the entire nation saw it live on TV) they are simply amazing, they have ALL the facts and still screw it up.
That and it is filler reporting until Friday.
Exactly. I'd rather talk about it and talk about the actual facts. If we run and hide from it then we look like we're guilty. We know what the facts are and we should bring those to light.
It's gonna be discussed here,just wish it would wait until after the tourney is over is all we're asking.
I said this two days ago but some on here will not quit posting. Nobody is trying to hide from it! It's just the wrong time to talk about it! SMH!
Who is hiding from it?? hell we have been inundated by it for FOUR Friggin years. This whole "media" outrage was entirely predictable.The vast majority of these folks are lazy and really have no interest in the facts of our case. They have THEIR narrative ( spawned by the wretched slime ball Dave Keene at the N and O) and THAT is the one they will follow. I, along with others, have been discussing the FACTS for years. The media narrative is complete Bull ish and I am not going to waste any more time discussing the value of their dung.
Tar Heels fans look forward to letting the cards fall where they may so we can put this all behind us.
One thing is certain: NONE of THESE players on THIS team had ANYTHING to do with ANY of it. They have had a phenomenal season and are playing for the big prize. They are by all accounts a great group of kids. It's a shame for this shadow to be any part of the discussion surrounding their efforts.
One thing is certain: NONE of THESE players on THIS team had ANYTHING to do with ANY of it. They have had a phenomenal season and are playing for the big prize. They are by all accounts a great group of kids. It's a shame for this shadow to be any part of the discussion surrounding their efforts.
Hiding is a BS charge. It's been on this Board constantly for the last 5 year so if ANYONE has "missed the facts": it's because they are too stupid to or too lazy to READ the facts. And if you just want to post to drag it out again then you are well past the stupid or lazy marks.
It exists, but seems to be an issue with the smaller minds located in Raleigh, Durham, crap hole Indiana and backwoods Kentucky more than anywhere else. Doesn't bother me at all, I don't mind being hated, I don't mind saying I've taken paper classes oh dear god no!!!! 
Look, some folks need to get over themselves, and may as well do it now. Because nothing is going to touch the basketball program violation wise (because there are no violations directly related to the program, "genius" folk need to read more, B-$tch less, stop making up bs that doesn't exist except in some simple mind), regardless of how many lesser intelligent's tied to other programs by fandom or incest think something major will happen. All signs say, nope. So suck it up, root for your own teams success or failure, you'll feel better in the morning
Look, some folks need to get over themselves, and may as well do it now. Because nothing is going to touch the basketball program violation wise (because there are no violations directly related to the program, "genius" folk need to read more, B-$tch less, stop making up bs that doesn't exist except in some simple mind), regardless of how many lesser intelligent's tied to other programs by fandom or incest think something major will happen. All signs say, nope. So suck it up, root for your own teams success or failure, you'll feel better in the morning
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I would suggest you use your knowledge to research the IAK and it's founder. Maybe next you can point us to the KKK for the "knowledge is power" about black people.
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Question.
Easy classes...not a violation and obviously people in basketball pushing kids into classes that aren't real and just grades is.
I am interested in what can be different in classes. Obviously athletes don't have to be in every class as traveling gets in the way. Also they do get note takers and tutors. What about actual class requirements. I recently read they found classes where athletes didn't have to do as much work and projects as the non athletes. Is that in any way a violation? Perhaps somebody who was a college athlete can weigh in. I would assume that it likely would depend on how vast the difference. For example, if the class was like a lot of mine and 3 tests and 1 term paper, would it be a violation to keep that as the requirements for non athletes but let athletes just do the term paper?
Easy classes...not a violation and obviously people in basketball pushing kids into classes that aren't real and just grades is.
I am interested in what can be different in classes. Obviously athletes don't have to be in every class as traveling gets in the way. Also they do get note takers and tutors. What about actual class requirements. I recently read they found classes where athletes didn't have to do as much work and projects as the non athletes. Is that in any way a violation? Perhaps somebody who was a college athlete can weigh in. I would assume that it likely would depend on how vast the difference. For example, if the class was like a lot of mine and 3 tests and 1 term paper, would it be a violation to keep that as the requirements for non athletes but let athletes just do the term paper?
This is a great question, and one that I would like to know the answer to as well. Travel schedules ensure that athletes will miss a good portion of the classes. I assume that if one of the classes they miss is one of the big exams for the semester, that they need to make that up at some point - but I'm not certain of that.
We know that athletes get preferential treatment at every school with a major program in the country. How over the top is the preferential treatment is I guess what determines whether there's been a violation. I think we should allow the people who's job it is to investigate/determine that kind of thing do their jobs and let us know if there's been a violation (although if there has been, I would encourage them to take as long of a look at several other institutions and tell me something similar wasn't going on there). I realize the nature of fan bases is to see a headline and automatically assume guilt, and throw that guilt in the faces of other fans every chance they get - but it would be nice if people had even the slightest inkling about that which they talk. The clowns that keep saying "UNCheat!!!!11!1!111!" and things of that nature without even knowing the first thing about the situation, what a violation is, or any of the evidence in this particular case - are morons of the highest degree.
I do wonder what makes Roy so certain about all of this. I assume and hope he knows something we don't.
Clearly fans will run with what they want esp online. Mike seems to think I'm fishing...haha. I just honestly wonder. Assuming the burden of proof is on the NCAA, I assume that from what I have read its 1. Did people associated with basketball push kids into these classes. 2. Did they receive improper benefits while in these classes. The only improper benefit I can think of is, did they get a grade improved bc they are an athlete? or did they have to no do the work and still get the grade bc they are an athlete? Either can be proved or not which is why I asked about requirements bc that's the one thing I do know happened(tho not to what extent the different was)
We hard to fool, been at it a very long time ........................... keep talking.
HIDING FROM IT????
Geez man, I know I have personally thrown a total number of words at this very topic than the combination of War & Peace, Moby Dick, Gone with the Wind? Tell me exactly why asking for a freakin week away from having to discuss this constitutes HIDING from this? Why are YOU so passionate about having to discuss this NOW, as if waiting until the final 4 is done is to long to wait? Is there something so amazing that you can not talk about it a week from now, something so capitivating that it can not wait, is the earth about to end, so we either talk about this right this minute or it will never be able to be discussed?
Tell me, you need to discuss this fine, what the heck is it that you have to share that in your opinion we discuss this now and the Ky fans, the duke fans, the NC State fans will all the sudden collectively see the light and look at this from our perspective? I really want to know what that jewel of wisdom is because we have been looking for that for 4yrs now and you must have it, so by all means share and share it right now, this second, share it even before I hit the post reply button on this reply, don't wait a extra second or 2, cause ya wouldn't want to be accused of hiding...
Tell ya what boss, I will extend to you and open invitation for you & I to discuss this just as soon as this season is done, don't worry, hopefully for us that is 2 games from now, can ya wait for 2 games to be played, considering they will be done and played in less than a week?
Would you have taken kindly to UNC fans going to your duke site last year this time and wanting to discuss the Lance Thomas issue a day or 2 before your final 4 game? Trust me, I already know the answer, you don't need to answer that...
#1 to the post above...being that we're not actually playing in the game, I think we can focus on the game and this issue at the same time. I don't think Roy will mind.
#2 to the post right above it from the same guy...most people have not read the report. I find that most Tar Heel fans on this board have. So yes, we can shed light on the specifics of the report instead of just the horribly gross assumptions and exaggerations the national media provides. We know there is not much that the NCAA has against men's basketball. Most people don't know that due to said national media.
#3 College athlete here and have a few family members the same. Here's the deal. Any class you miss cuz you're on the road is excused. However, there are absolutely mandatory study halls that you have to attend to make up that work (or just attend even if the work is light early semester) Bottom line, you can't miss these. Countless times you're working on the plane, bus, etc. Tutors are absolutely available and 99.9999% of the time nothing shady at all goes on. They help, that's it. You can't skip tests, etc.
Now, what we're accused of is skirting that final part. Some people have claimed that some of these classes didn't even require attendance (before the online classes days) and athletes were not required to do all of the work. That is what the NCAA is investigating; plus if athletes were told to take these classes from either coaches or administrators for easy grades. From what I've gathered from the report, it seems like there isn't much proof of that happening with men's basketball.
#4 For those that don't want to talk about it this week even though all of America is, just ignore the thread. Plain and simple.
P.S. Let's kick some Cuse butt Saturday night.
Ok thanks for that info. The study halls make sense and obviously as you said they can be done on the road.
As a former college athlete i can tell you about 80% of the regular college enrollment could not succeed with the schedule of a college player. I played baseball and on avg we played around 60 games in the spring semester. About half of those on the road riding on a damn bus. We had study halls and wven had to take test and write papers. We were all guided to easier classes during the season (ie library science,football physics etc) . Then when most students went home for the summer we had to bust our ass in summer school to make sure we stayed eligible and on track to graduate.
You see this is not only at unc (which i didnt attend) this is at every school that has a varsity sport. Not ONE college athletic dept has it any other way. It is the only way a college athlete can do it. Then throw in practice films meetings and everything else and you jackasses that sit online and criticize kids because they get prefarential treatment. Maybe you should try what we have done and then tell us how easy it is. I think you will have a diffrent view from other than your couch. Jmho
You see this is not only at unc (which i didnt attend) this is at every school that has a varsity sport. Not ONE college athletic dept has it any other way. It is the only way a college athlete can do it. Then throw in practice films meetings and everything else and you jackasses that sit online and criticize kids because they get prefarential treatment. Maybe you should try what we have done and then tell us how easy it is. I think you will have a diffrent view from other than your couch. Jmho
Professors have the academic freedom to conduct classes as they see fit. While some AFAM classes, available to all students, were not consistent with Carolina's high academic standards, each of them remain sanctioned by both UNC and SACS. That ASPSA advisors raised questions about the courses and were told it was none of their concern (a failure on the academic side) largely mitigates their requests for additional offerings. In short, this is not in the NCAA's wheelhouse. That's why there's so much window dressing in the NOA. Now, does this mean the NCAA won't move to wrongfully punish revenue athletics? No, of course not, just that we have a strong case against the NCAA overstepping its bounds if that happens and UNC decides to fight it.
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