Berman isn't a NFL studio host anymore, so you won't hear it too much. Also, has there ever been a QB more overrated than Eli Manning?
NFL Offseason Thread
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We debated back and forth on the 2016 NFL Season Thread about this so I'm not going to rehash my entire argument, but go back and look at his time at Auburn. He was successful because he ran to set up the pass.
It's all well and good to say "Father Time will catch up to him" but so what? So what if in 4-5 years he loses a step? He isn't going to cut it as strictly a pocket passer from now until then. That isn't his game. He isn't Jameis Winston who is a pocket passer first, second, and third, but will look to run -- and can do so effectively -- only when they play breaks down. Cam is a true dual-threat QB, maybe the best dual-threat QB the NFL has ever seen not named Ron Mexico.
To restrict him from running is a dumb approach. I'll go on record, if the Panthers continue to restrict Cam from utilizing his legs, the Panthers won't win a playoff game the rest of CM's tenure there. Furthermore, he might not even be in the Panthers organization by 2020 (he's a UFA come 2021, but by 2020, his cap hit would be low enough that the Panthers could cut him)
I'll agree to disagree, solely on the excellent reference to Ron Mexico. Kudos for that one!
The Patriots didn't reach a long term agreement with Malcolm Butler, so they just put a 1st round tender on him ($3.9M for this year). I wonder if any team out there wants to try to F with Belichick and the Patriots $60M in cap space by putting an offer sheet in front of him. If they don't, 3.9M is a bargain for a top 5 CB in the league.
Not if you have to give up a first-round pick to get him.
Any other team would have to give up a 1st rounder to get him (which is a big penalty for the CLE, SF, and CHI's of the world, but the Falcons shitty defense could afford losing their #31 overall to sign him). But the Pats don't need to give up a first rounder and have him under contract at $3.9M if no other team offer sheets him, which is what I was saying was a bargain.
The Pats wouldn't give up a first-round pick regardless. You said $3.9M is a bargain for a Top 5 CB. I'm saying it stops being a bargain, for the receiving team, when you have to give up a first-round pick in addition to the $3.9M salary.
Right... I think we're arguing the same thing here.
The patriots have Butler signed for $3.9M which is a bargain. That bargain can get messed up by another team, but it would cost that team a first rounder in addition to whatever the offer sheet was (presumably a good amount higher than $3.9M or the patriots would just match it).
Panthers signing Matt Kalil (Ryan Kalil's brother) to shore up the left tackle position. YES!!! I'm sure a lot of fans are "meh" on this, but this is a huge signing IMO.
In other news...Deshaun Jackson going to the Bucs. Assuming they can keep all of the "me first" personalities on the same page down there, they are going to be legit on offense. I hope Worley and Bradberry are putting in the work this offseason.
In other news...Deshaun Jackson going to the Bucs. Assuming they can keep all of the "me first" personalities on the same page down there, they are going to be legit on offense. I hope Worley and Bradberry are putting in the work this offseason.
Patriots offering Stephon Gilmore (CB) a monster deal - can't imagine Malcolm Butler is going to be too thrilled making $3.9M opposite a guy making $14M, but dems da breaks I guess.
I'd be pretty pissed. Not that $3.9 mil is anything to be sad about though, FWIW.
Really? I'd be in favor of getting Cooks out of the NFC South. If New Orleans is that dumb, go for it...they are on the verge of imploding anyway.
I'll have to read into this more, but at first glance I'm not thrilled with it. A top 5 CB for a non top 5 WR seems like a bad deal, but maybe whatever the contracts are like makes it work. The patriots clearly don't want to pay Butler top dollar like they did for Gilmore, so he was most likely gone at the end of the season anyways.
Butler is a little under sized, so Evans and Julio might be tough for him within the division.
The way NE would use Cooks, this would be a massive win for the Patriots. FWIW
Ya, it's just that we've been selling off all of our young defensive stars (Collins, Jones, Butler - probably soon to be Hightower) and loading up on offense - which is sort of anti-Belichickian.
I have no doubt we'll still win a ton of games, but they'll be 42-35 games now instead of 28-17.
Could they be jaded a bit by how often Gronk gets hurt? I know Cooks is listed as a WR, but I almost feel like he's another version of Reggie Bush. He could easily be the Pats' leading receiver if this deal is true, with how they use the screen pass in NE.
That's exactly it I think. That's why they brought in Martellus Bennett last year, and now Dwayne Allen this year. I think they build the team assuming no Gronk, and then when he's able to play a full season that's just (incredibly awesome) icing on the cake.
The patriots are somewhat opposite of a lot of other teams in that their TE's are their deep threats and WRs are all around the line of scrimmage type guys. Gronk isn't happy with his contract, but I think the Patriots have essentially told him that until he can play a full season uninjured that he can pound sand on getting a raise.
And the Pats are extremely smart in that approach. Gronk can be replaced. Tell him to give Jimmy Graham a call.
Kirk Cousins asking the Redskins for a trade...no surprise, he openly pioneered for the chance to play under Kyle Shanihan again, who is the new HC in San Fran. But this thing with the GM not showing up for the first day of FA, and then having to publicly state that alcohol wasn't the reason...? That team is really trying to give Dallas a run for it's money in the Circus category.
And Mike Glennon getting a deal in Chicago. Hahaha...suckers. I guess Jay Cutler wasn't enough.
And Mike Glennon getting a deal in Chicago. Hahaha...suckers. I guess Jay Cutler wasn't enough.
It all just goes to show that teams without a franchise QB are in NFL Hell. If you don't have a franchise QB, you're fukked. No way around it.
Thus teams overpaying dudes like Glennon and Oswiler and hoping against hope that they pan out.
Thus teams overpaying dudes like Glennon and Oswiler and hoping against hope that they pan out.
terrell mcclain was pretty good for dallas when healthy...now he goes to the dumpster fire that is washington.
i would've liked to have garçon opposite dez
i would've liked to have garçon opposite dez
While this is very true...I still think those teams completely kill their ability to actually get a quality QB when they continue to overpay massively for unproven or mediocre ones.
Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't.
Those franchises (i.e., the GMs and head coaches) don't have time to wait 3-4 years to draft and develop a QB. Plus a QB in the draft is a complete unknown commodity. He could be the next Elway or the next Leaf. So, they overpay for known commodities like Oswiler and hope they turn into gold.
I understand that mentality. Just seems like a desperate move...one I empathize with, but not necessarily agree with.
That said -- this raiding of the Panthers roster today by the Saints is going to piss me off. AJ Klein signing with them as well.
Of course it's desperate. If the GM and coach had a lifetime contract, they'd probably play things smarter. But they're desperate to win now and keep their job, so unless an Andrew Luck QB is in the draft, they're gonna go throw money at Oswiler.
I agree with you though, it's stupid. But it's out of desperation. QB is everything in the NFL. No amount of pass rush or DB ballhawks or 4.24 40 WRs will help you if you ain't got a franchise QB
There's a reason I'm not a GM, but I think the focus has to be on the OL. If you have a strong OL, then you can have someone like Kirk Cousins have a Pro Bowl season. No one in their right mind would ever think that he would be Pro Bowl caliber based purely on talent. Instead of strapping your franchise with terrible QB contracts, build your assistant coaching staff with guys able to take OL-men that no one else wanted and get them to play at a high level...that's how you can succeed with a less-than-stellar QB. But...what do I know.
dallas finally understood about building from the inside out up front on both sides of the line...been preaching since 2005 that they needed to keep drafting o-linemen, but when parcells left, they stopped...keeping your qb upright and having 3rd and short is the key now.
also, i subscribe to the business of not spending a lot in building through free agency because when you have less to spend, it's because you're signing your own guys to 2nd contracts.
that's why i no longer care how dallas does in free agency as long as they are hitting with 4/7 draft picks every year...i would like a #2 receiver so it's not a must take in the draft....although ross from washington would be outstanding.
They are now saying Romo will be traded instead of released outright.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18864645/dallas-cowboys-now-expected-trade-tony-romo
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18864645/dallas-cowboys-now-expected-trade-tony-romo
that would be a coup for jerry and the org, especially given the preferred destination per tony was either of those places...they would essentially be bidding on a player that wanted to go to either place and would not only give up compensation, but also take on the contract.
dream scenario for me would be clowney and a 3rd for romo.
Panthers signing Matt Kalil at 5 years, $55.5 million...$25 mil guaranteed. Dayum.
I guess Cam's health is valued afterall. Holy crap.
I guess Cam's health is valued afterall. Holy crap.
Panthers won't draft Mixon because Richardson had to double down on "we don't accept guys who are violent towards women" with Greg Hardy, but damn Mixon would be a great fit in Carolina. Way, way, way better of a fit than Fournette, IMO
also, if you're a team, you want guys that you drafted if they aren't coming back, to sign elsewhere, for big money...you then get comp picks.
dallas has lost three fa's thus far, and stand to gain multiple 4th rounders next year.
now houston trades osweiler and a 2nd to the browns...making room for romo.
dallas has lost three fa's thus far, and stand to gain multiple 4th rounders next year.
now houston trades osweiler and a 2nd to the browns...making room for romo.
