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Jmo but if the talks on the NBA collective bargaining changes to some form of the baseball rule the recruiting landscape could certainly change.I could see many more HS players going the overseas route

Any version of a baseball rule allows kids to enter right out of high school so it would tend to take away the reason to go over seas rather than college.
Jmo but if the talks on the NBA collective bargaining changes to some form of the baseball rule the recruiting landscape could certainly change.I could see many more HS players going the overseas route

Ken, what I think we are more likely to see is the NBA begin to fund the pay rolls for the NBADL heavier, just as Ayton spoke to earlier this summer. Players are talking now that the NBADL option could make sense if the money they could make from it were increased. Another thing they could do is to ties the NBADL time to the time length required for the rookie salary structure so that kids could enter the NBADL and a year later NBA and already have a year removed form the time line they could sign a market value contract.

For example, if the NBA could lure a Wendal Carter or Ayton to the NBADL, more folks would want to see these future stars so it should give the DL some extra pop and maybe get more TV revenues that allow for even higher DL pay rolls. And it allows the GMs to evaluate these players vs pro players rather than ametures who mostly need the degree for their future jobs (only a small % of NCAA players will be able to earn a living playing their sport).
 
I think it's interesting to think about overseas. As more and more kids do it and then become successful in the league, UK and Duke could start to see their own OAD's never even show up on campus.

Personally, I don't know why more kids don't do this. Who wouldn't want an 8 month trip to a different country and to get paid? It seems like that beats the shit out of doing schoolwork. I'm speaking from the perspective of a kid that obviously has no interest in going to school.
 
It might weed out the ones who want to go to college rather than the ones who simply want to make the jump to the NBA.

The rule should be like it is in baseball. You can go from high school, but if you go to college you have to stay for three years.
Three years seems unrealistic. Two might make sense. Matches the existing JC setup.

The way I see it, a kid should be able to enter the draft out of HS and, if not selected, can go to college or try his chances in the D league or overseas. If he picks the school route, he commits to 2 years before reentering the draft. Kids who aren't interested in college can go the D league or overseas route. Those who are go through the same process we have now, but stay longer.

One of the interesting changes that might make is that some top kids who now go to OAD factories may choose the JC approach, instead. They know they can't handle real courses at a top university but with a 2-year rule they actually have to attend (and pass) 3 semesters of classes. So they go where the classes are easier and less closely scrutinized.
 
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dip back???...K has always gotten talented players

I think he's referring to the level his recruiting classes have reached now.

K wasn't always pulling in 2014 and 2016 caliber classes. The ones that could rival the same as Cal's year in and year out.
 
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Three years seems unrealistic. Two might make sense. Matches the existing JC setup.

The way I see it, a kid should be able to enter the draft out of HS and, if not selected, can go to college or try his chances in the D league or overseas. If he picks the school route, he commits to 2 years before reentering the draft. Kids who aren't interested in college can go the D league or overseas route. Those who are go through the same process we have now, but stay longer.

One of the interesting changes that might make is that some top kids who now go to OAD factories may choose the JC approach, instead. They know they can't handle real courses at a top university but with a 2-year rule they actually have to attend (and pass) 3 semesters of classes. So they go where the classes are easier and less closely scrutinized.

After a kid has reached the age that he can legally enter in to a contract (18) I can not agree with any rule that says a kid can not enter in to his chosen profession if there is someone willing to take him and pay him. I can not support any version of a baseball rule, a kid should be able to enter the NBA draft right after high school as well as after any season of college play. As a fan I want to see the best players playing in the college game, as a fan I want them to stay in the college game for as long as they have eligibility, but fanhood should not drive this, what is right should be the driving factor. It was right for Kobe, it was right for Garnett, it is right for lebron...
 
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After a kid has reached the age that he can legally enter in to a contract (18) I can not agree with any rule that says a kid can not enter in to his chosen profession if there is someone willing to take him and pay him. I can not support any version of a baseball rule, a kid should be able to enter the NBA draft right after high school as well as after any season of college play. As a fan I want to see the best players playing in the college game, as a fan I want them to stay in the college game for as long as they have eligibility, but fanhood should not drive this, what is right should be the driving factor. It was right for Kobe, it was right for Garnett, it is right for lebron...
Agree with you philosophicaly but the rule is not for the benefit of the kids.The NBA uses this to protect themselves from their own stupidity.You used Kobe and Lebron as examples but their have more failures than successes for straight out of HS players,remember Robert Swift.The NBA ha no reason to spend more money on a minor league system when the NCAA provides one for free
 
After a kid has reached the age that he can legally enter in to a contract (18) I can not agree with any rule that says a kid can not enter in to his chosen profession if there is someone willing to take him and pay him.
This has always been my position. But since we aren't likely to go there, it behooves us to come up with the most reasonable authoritarian, unfree approach.

Which is why I want kids to be able to enter the draft out of HS (that's the freedom part), still go to school with eligibility if they aren't drafted (another freedom part), but then commit to 2 years if they do choose school (the reasonable part).
 
Agree with you philosophicaly but the rule is not for the benefit of the kids.The NBA uses this to protect themselves from their own stupidity.You used Kobe and Lebron as examples but their have more failures than successes for straight out of HS players,remember Robert Swift.The NBA ha no reason to spend more money on a minor league system when the NCAA provides one for free

Exactly why thinking in terms of what benefits college fans is flawed thinking. But if you get a Robert Swift in the minor leagues he may never make it to the majors and if he doesn't he does not get paid like a major leaguer.

Major flaw in your thinking in this Ken is the NBA NEVER had to spend a single penny on having a minor league system, they had one for free for how many years? It was called the NCAA... So considering the NBA decided to spend money on something they used to get for free, could still today have for free, they elected to spend money on their own minor league system. Now you are saying they will not spend more on something they never had to spend anything on in the first place? LOL
 
This has always been my position. But since we aren't likely to go there, it behooves us to come up with the most reasonable authoritarian, unfree approach.

Which is why I want kids to be able to enter the draft out of HS (that's the freedom part), still go to school with eligibility if they aren't drafted (another freedom part), but then commit to 2 years if they do choose school (the reasonable part).

How can you ask a kid to commit to a school for 2 years when the school can not commit to the kid for more than 1 year? A big tool some of these one & done kids have discovered is they can now play a single season for a college program and then in the future come back to that school and finish up their degree at no cost. How that is handled is the decision of the individual schools but it is getting to the point that all the major programs will have to offer a version of this.

Now personally, I do not like this new line of thinking the younger folks seem drawn to in that playing college ball is more akin to servitude than a square deal. The school gets all the money and all you get is your classes, books, and a place to sleep? I don't like that argument but we are talking a bunch of millions the schools make off what these kids do. But when you add to that by REQUIRING a kid to stay away from his ability to earn off his skills and ability for even 1yr it is not right but more than that is just going to feed in to that servitude line of thinking like gas to a fire. I do not want to see that explode...
 
After a kid has reached the age that he can legally enter in to a contract (18) I can not agree with any rule that says a kid can not enter in to his chosen profession if there is someone willing to take him and pay him. I can not support any version of a baseball rule, a kid should be able to enter the NBA draft right after high school as well as after any season of college play. As a fan I want to see the best players playing in the college game, as a fan I want them to stay in the college game for as long as they have eligibility, but fanhood should not drive this, what is right should be the driving factor. It was right for Kobe, it was right for Garnett, it is right for lebron...

I AGREE 100%. A kid should be able to go to the nba anytime he wants. The excuses the NBA gave for the OAD rule is bs.
 
How can you ask a kid to commit to a school for 2 years when the school can not commit to the kid for more than 1 year?
Another good point. The first 2 years should be binding on the school, too.

And we'd probably have to tighten up on things like "invited walkons" too, to keep less scrupulous coaches from abusing that option.
 
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I AGREE 100%. A kid should be able to go to the nba anytime he wants. The excuses the NBA gave for the OAD rule is bs.
As I understand it, big-time sports have anti-trust exemptions. They can use what used to be called lockouts and black-balling and price fixing and other actions in restraint of trade with relative impunity.

Maybe we should start by reexamining that can of worms. But could the NBA and other cartels (to call them what they are) survive without their special privileges?
 
Personally, I don't know why more kids don't do this. Who wouldn't want an 8 month trip to a different country and to get paid? It seems like that beats the shit out of doing schoolwork. I'm speaking from the perspective of a kid that obviously has no interest in going to school.
that would be most of the top 100.
 
I can remember back in the day when you had to sweat it out waiting for a lot of top players to make 750 on the SAT. It just never seems to be a problem getting almost anybody eligible since the changes.
 
I think he's referring to the level his recruiting classes have reached now.

K wasn't always pulling in 2014 and 2016 caliber classes. The ones that could rival the same as Cal's year in and year out.
Yep, it took the LOM sacrificing the concept of the "student athlete" and fully embracing the OADU mindset to enable him to do that. Which he was perfectly happy to do. He'd recruit Jack the Ripper if he could shoot the trey.
 
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