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No true PG - Concerns?

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Once Berry leaves after next season, we won't have a true PG on the roster through at least 2018-19. Does this concern anyone else?

We're looking at Jalek (combo), 7th (combo), BRob (wing), White (combo), Leaky (wing), Platek (wing). Even our remaining 2018 scholly looks like it's going to a big or a wing.

Our best teams have had true PG's (Lawson, Felton, Kendall, JB).

Seems like a June type discussion.
 
It's a concern, but I'm not super worried about it.

Felton isn't a true PG, but he's a much better passer than Berry; if he slows down a bit and gets better at running the offense rather than ad-libbing, he'll do the job very well.

I actually wouldn't consider Woods to be a combo. I'd just call him a low-skill PG (which isn't really better...). Hopefully he'll be reliable by his junior year, at least as a backup.

White is definitely a combo (I'd call him a 1.75), but I think he'd run the offense decently.
 
It's a concern, but I'm not super worried about it.

Felton isn't a true PG, but he's a much better passer than Berry; if he slows down a bit and gets better at running the offense rather than ad-libbing, he'll do the job very well.

I actually wouldn't consider Woods to be a combo. I'd just call him a low-skill PG (which isn't really better...). Hopefully he'll be reliable by his junior year, at least as a backup.

White is definitely a combo (I'd call him a 1.75), but I think he'd run the offense decently.


Well stated. I agree with all of it.
 
there are not dominant defensive teams anymore..how many teams(title contending teams) have elite PGs?..3 wings good at passing-feeding the post(if we have someone that's a threat)...not concerned..gotta have someone to pass to, if not one on one skills..plenty in the cupboard I think
 
It's a concern, but I'm not super worried about it.

Felton isn't a true PG, but he's a much better passer than Berry; if he slows down a bit and gets better at running the offense rather than ad-libbing, he'll do the job very well.

I actually wouldn't consider Woods to be a combo. I'd just call him a low-skill PG (which isn't really better...). Hopefully he'll be reliable by his junior year, at least as a backup.

White is definitely a combo (I'd call him a 1.75), but I think he'd run the offense decently.

I agree with most of this. It does seem like Roy is looking at a few pure pgs for 19, but we have a lot of flexibitlity and I agree if Felton stays for more than a year hes the guy.. Althought the op's post does bring up a good point in that Roys best teams do have a pure pg running the show.
 
how many teams(title contending teams) have elite PGs?

Really? Just going back 3 years to the elite 8 teams...

2017 - UNC (JB), Zags (NWG), Kansas (Mason), Kentucky (Fox)
2016 - Nova (Archie), UNC (JB), Oklahoma (woodard), Oregon (cook), UVA (Perrentes)
2015 - Duke (Tyus), ND (Grant), Zona (McConnell), Lville (Rozier), Zags (Pangos)
 
my counterpoint-I did not adequately make..I believe our guards won't be sooo overmatched-JB on bad wheels proved that..but,good point and research there but..hey..Sean Miller is a micromanager(reason for their lack of success) according to AZ fans..dook guards we see twice a year..our guys can play too..like Nova teams with a 3 guard offense can win it all, so a traditional 5 starting isn't "all that"..and for me, its who ends the game more than starters..remember the other team-officials..probably the same old same there and last year wasn't a banner yr
 
Once Berry leaves after next season, we won't have a true PG on the roster through at least 2018-19. Does this concern anyone else?

We're looking at Jalek (combo), 7th (combo), BRob (wing), White (combo), Leaky (wing), Platek (wing). Even our remaining 2018 scholly looks like it's going to a big or a wing.

Our best teams have had true PG's (Lawson, Felton, Kendall, JB).

Seems like a June type discussion.
Jalek is a true PG. The fact he can play the 2 dosn't change that. Point is his first, best calling. He is a Lead Guard like JB and thoroughly capable of being the next great Carolina PG.

On other side of that coin, 7th is certainly not a PG.
 
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Felton is a true PG! It is because we want him on the court with Berry we keep saying he would play SG.

Woods may need to improve, but he is a PG. Maybe I'm not understanding.
 
Jalek is a true PG. The fact he can play the 2 dosn't change that. Point is his first, best calling. He is a Lead Guard like JB and thoroughly capable of being the next great Carolina PG.

Exactly. Jalek shouldn't be discounted because he can also play the 2 very well. Marshall, Lawson, Felton, etc. we're great "true" PGs, but would any of them have been less effective at PG if they also happened to play the 2 very well? No.
 
Exactly. Jalek shouldn't be discounted because he can also play the 2 very well. Marshall, Lawson, Felton, etc. we're great "true" PGs, but would any of them have been less effective at PG if they also happened to play the 2 very well? No.
Yeah, and I was about to post something about this subject.

There is only one talent that is absolutely required for a Carolina PG --- floor command --- the sbility to control balance and spacing, move the defense, knowing when to take and when not, and getting the ball in the right places, whether via direct passes or passes that lead to passes.

While there is a learning curve for newbies coming into the system, this is ultimately dependent on instinct --- some of it just cannot be taught. If you have that you have a chance to succeed here. If you want an example of an otherwise modestly talented PG who excelled at floor command look no further than Jimmy Black.

Bottom line is it doesn't require any specific "type" of PG. You can be a pass-first guy like Cota, Phelps or Butter, or you can be an alpha scorer "Lead Guard" like Phil, The Jet or JB, or somethng in between like Ray or Ty. All these guys were still "pure" Carolina PGs because they had floor command.

As far as a learning curve, yeah our system is different than many in PG responsibilities and it can be an adjustment coming in for guys who are used to pounding the ball and triggering everything in HS --- it took both Ray and Ty a season to fully embrace that cultiure change, but both were highly successful because they had the proper instincts. Larry Drew (who was a pure PG), on the other hand, never did or should I say, never would.

Finally, as for this "pure" label, coming in everyone labeled Nate as a "pure PG", but unfortunately he didn't have the command instinct. He only knew pound and penetrate, and once teams figured out they could just let him do it our offense went south fast. Bless his heart, Nate worked hard and learned to get somewhat better, at the 1, but that key instinct was just not there. Thus, he ultimately became more of an asset for us at the 2.

As for Jalek? Like the Lead Guards mentioned above, sure he can score and could easily play the 2, but he absolutely has the PG comand instinct. 2-Guards are a dime-a-dozen. Carolina PGs are a much rarer commodity, and Jalek has what it takes. BTW: I'll tell ya who else has floor command --- Platek --- and that's a bonus, because I've seen enough of 7th at PG to be reasonably sure he does not. Some don't like hearing me say it, but the sooner we can move that young man off the ball the better it will be for him and the team, IMO.
 
Nice Gary, but I'm going to disagree about Woods. Think he will get-it sooner or later and will flourish by his Sr season. He has done some amazing moves-passes in the little PT he has gotten, it's coming. jmhho
 
Yes I see it with Woods, his mind is going a million miles and hour, once he is slowed down to where he needs to be, then it's on..
 
Nice Gary, but I'm going to disagree about Woods. Think he will get-it sooner or later and will flourish by his Sr season. He has done some amazing moves-passes in the little PT he has gotten, it's coming. jmhho
Maybe... for now I'll just refer you to the brief pick-up video. Go back and watch and make a mental note of where JB is on the floor with the ball and compare to where 7th goes with it when he comes in. Don't even worry about making shots, etc... just watch the difference in floor command and angle creation.

I know... it's just a few minutes of a pickup game but we watched it all last season. The kid's still lost... and that's such a waste of that freaky talent you correctly referred to. All I'm saying is I hope Roy will relieve him of that responsibility and let him just play basketball as a 2.
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