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According to this guy it looks like we are talking about the additional allegations involving womens Bball and mens soccer

at least THAT is how I read it. Just passing this along have no way to confirm any of that.......
 
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So if you're keeping score at home, the WBB thing is related to issues already known, the MSOC thing is new and not academic in nature.
Friday, August 14, 2015 12:30 PM
 
Improper academic help in womens bball and a recruiting violation in mens soccer. They may have to be added to the noa which would add several more months to the process and make the 2016 bball recruiting class make their decisions without knowing ncaa outcome.
 
This crushes the small glimmer of hope I had remaining for the 2016 recruiting class. We'll get some recruits but they'll be plan C type guys. Most recruits will have committed somewhere by the time this gets resolved. I wouldn't be surprised if this surpasses the spring signing period with the new timeline.
 
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If the NCAA determines that the men's soccer recruiting issues are Level 1 or Level 2 violations, the NCAA would amend the current NOA. UNC would then have another 90 days to respond to the amended NOA.
 
This crushes the small glimmer of hope I had remaining for the 2016 recruiting class. We'll get some recruits but they'll be plan C type guys. Most recruits will have committed somewhere by the time this gets resolved. I wouldn't be surprised if this surpasses the spring signing period with the new timeline.
Most recruits might be in the NBA or overseas by the time TFS gets resolved.
 
This is ****ing asinine. Now we're probably going to have to probably wait another 90 days for them to sort this out. Amazing that it comes RIGHT BEFORE WE RESPONSE TO THE NOA!!! We can kiss even having a chance at getting any top recruits in 2016 goodbye.
 
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As for soccer, I'm hearing an assistant coach missed a compliance exam question then went to get clarification on the question after the fact which leads to the fact that he had already committed the violation due to lack of clarity. Promise I didn't make this up.
 
Football just landed 4 star RB Jordan Brown and look to add another kid tonight....This is good IMO....No chance of the Bball team being banned from the NCAAT this year...
 
If you want to believe, that because it mentions only WBB and MSOC, that this no big deal, keep on dreaming. We are going to get drilled when the NCAA finally makes their call.


I'm sorry,...but who are you? It's wise for newbies to post with a better tone. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you could have at least introduced yourself before getting smartassy with one of our regulars here.
 
If you want to believe, that because it mentions only WBB and MSOC, that this no big deal, keep on dreaming. We are going to get drilled when the NCAA finally makes their call.
Somehow I don't think YOU can use the term "we", unless you're referring to dook, uk or moo.

Go away.
 
I'm sorry,...but who are you? It's wise for newbies to post with a better tone. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you could have at least introduced yourself before getting smartassy with one of our regulars here.
I'm saying he's wrong, and he's also most likely no Heel fan.
 
Nothing worse than paranoid tin foil hat fans. I'm an '86 graduate that happens to think what's been going on at this great university for more than 2 decades is galling.
If you think for one second that MBB is going to get hammered by the NCAA then you better check the tin foil in your own hat for short circuits. :confused:
 
I don't think this will make much of a difference myself. Seems like I read somewhere they still believe this can be settled within 60 days.
 
I hate too see more reported .. I am ready for this to be over ... least UNC has enough balls to admit to possible violations instead of covering up things .... Go Heels !!
 
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Hard to tell which is more screwed up, US politics or UNC Administration?!?!?

We have to be the only college in history to self-impose a death penalty!
 
Guys this is a good thing....this will push the NCAA back after this season in Bball...the team we have coming back can win it all.....Truth be told UNC is now playing the game right.....Time is on our side people ..

We are good and the haters gone hate...


Football just landed 2 today and Bball is on the way....Mark my words they tried to destroy us but they only made us stronger.....
 
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I hate too see more reported .. I am ready for this to be over ... least UNC has enough balls to admit to possible violations instead of Kovering up things .... Go Heels !!
just remember: this had less than nothing to do with MBB. This will soon pass. Enjoy this season. It could be special.
 
Got to agreed with Gary-7 because UNC basketball is going to be tremendous this season so do indeed enjoy it and stop worrying about something u have no control over anyway.
 
death penalty??/ This is bad and gives loads more ammo to the negative recruiters at dook, Moo Ky and everywhere else .They ARE doing it and this will add fuel to their fire.


But it appears to me that MENS Bball and football, while they may get some sort of penalty clearly will NOT get any death penalty

What would be the basis for such action??

Please explain
 
When our own fan base continues to post inaccurate information when the AD's press conference notes are on this site....simply amazing.
 
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Guys this is a good thing....this will push the NCAA back after this season in Bball...the team we have coming back can win it all.....Truth be told UNC is now playing the game right.....Time is on our side people ..

We are good and the haters gone hate...


Football just landed 2 today and Bball is on the way....Mark my words they tried to destroy us but they only made us stronger.....
I just can't see how this is a good thing. It pretty much destroys the 2016 recruiting class which means the 16-17 season is going to be awful, like NIT type season. We HAD to have a big 2016 class to sustain a high level of play and that's not gonna happen with the uncertainty outlasting spring signing.
 
My crystal ball is way better than you feebs! I say our '16 class will be great! We have Roy, plenty of PT, and a loaded class all working in our favor. We have seen nothing that could seriously impact Men's Bball and negative Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded who we don't need at our school. I really hate his scandal for Sylvia Hatchell more than MBB, because she will probably take an early retirement for the good of the team. This could have been a feel good story of her overcoming her illness, but instead it looks like she will leave under a cloud. Death penalty? Idiocy is all that talk is sir! AND I feel a special season coming so I intend to enjoy the ride (especially since the pukies and poor little wuffies will tear their hair out the whole time, lol)

Walk in the light my brethren, your reward is already prepared for you!
Go Tar Heels!

Heels are Family!
 
I just can't see how this is a good thing. It pretty much destroys the 2016 recruiting class which means the 16-17 season is going to be awful, like NIT type season. We HAD to have a big 2016 class to sustain a high level of play and that's not gonna happen with the uncertainty outlasting spring signing.


So you would rather get hit with a postseason ban in Bball in Feb when we could very well be the No.1 team in the Nation and own our way to another Title or be banned for the 16 season which you say will be a Nit year anyway...Just for 1 class....I say push it back till after Bball season and go from their....
 
So you would rather get hit with a postseason ban in Bball in Feb when we could very well be the No.1 team in the Nation and own our way to another Title or be banned for the 16 season which you say will be a Nit year anyway...Just for 1 class....I say push it back till after Bball season and go from their....

Honestly, I don't see a post season ban happening for men's bball which is why we need the NCAA cloud to be over sooner than later. Roy has a better chance landing top talent again when this is over.
 
just remember: this had less than nothing to do with MBB. This will soon pass. Enjoy this season. It could be special.
So you would rather get hit with a postseason ban in Bball in Feb when we could very well be the No.1 team in the Nation and own our way to another Title or be banned for the 16 season which you say will be a Nit year anyway...Just for 1 class....I say push it back till after Bball season and go from their....
SMH. There will be no post-season ban.
 
I wish I could be as confident as you. The NCAA is way too unpredictable to make an absolute statement like that.
Fair enough, the NCAA is a capricious bunch, but they just don't have anything on MBB to anywhere near justify a post-season ban. They would have to break their own precedents or literally invent a new class of violations in mid-stream to do that.
Think about what we know: There were no recruiting violations. There were no ineligible players used. And unlike WBB, there was no coordination with anyone in the AFAM dept. And even characterizing the AFAM courses as an "extra benefit" was quite the piece of linguistic gymnastics.
Bottom line is that attempting any tangible sanctions (as opposed to some nebulous institutional reprimand) against MBB would be jumping the proverbial shark, and something that I would hope they know the University wouldn't stand still for that could open up a world of legal push-back.
WBB opened themselves up to provide the NCAA with their pound of flesh. Any shots at MBB would be gross overreach.
 
Fair enough, the NCAA is a capricious bunch, but they just don't have anything on MBB to anywhere near justify a post-season ban. They would have to break their own precedents or literally invent a new class of violations in mid-stream to do that.
Think about what we know: There were no recruiting violations. There were no ineligible players used. And unlike WBB, there was no coordination with anyone in the AFAM dept. And even characterizing the AFAM courses as an "extra benefit" was quite the piece of linguistic gymnastics.
Bottom line is that attempting any tangible sanctions (as opposed to some nebulous institutional reprimand) against MBB would be jumping the proverbial shark, and something that I would hope they know the University wouldn't stand still for that could open up a world of legal push-back.
WBB opened themselves up to provide the NCAA with their pound of flesh. Any shots at MBB would be gross overreach.
I would agree that I doubt any major action is taken but I wonder if the biggest issue is having a former player(McCants) on record saying his eligibility was maintained by being put in these classes....disgruntled player with a grudge or true....it's a difficult spot to argue as unc.
 
I would agree that I doubt any major action is taken but I wonder if the biggest issue is having a former player(McCants) on record saying his eligibility was maintained by being put in these classes....disgruntled player with a grudge or true....it's a difficult spot to argue as unc.

The point of contention is found in your use of the word "Put" in the line "put" in to these classes. The NCAA's decision and all the investigation was focused on who put players in those classes, was it on direction from the basketball staff (in the case of basketball) or was it a academic advisor or the player that caused a player to be in those classes. It is a violation if the coaching staff was responsible for their players being "put" on to those classes, it is an academic issue and outside of the NCAA authority if an academic advisor or the kid himself "put" himself in those classes.

The NCAA investigation as well as the investigation by the outside party (Weinstien) indicated no athletic involvement in "putting" men's basketball or football players in those classes. Boxhill's involvement with women's basketball players has been sketchy and just got a little worse with the last items we self reported.

WE are going to get the LOIC placed on the entire athletic dept for all sports but individual sports getting scholly reductions or post season bans is about those specific staffs involvement or lack there of direct involvement in their athletes being in those classes and in the 2 main revenue sports of football and men's basketball nothing was noted in the NOA inferring in any way that was discovered. The acreditation group basically ruled for us to fix it and move on without invalidating those grades and if those grades are not invalidated then the case for using players not eligible is not made. The NCAA does not have the authority to determine if a class is to easy to gain a grade in for eligibiliity, they specifically leave that up to the member schools. The NCAA in our case has already ruled in that way once prior to the Wienstien report.

BUT, the one major concern I have is the NCAA at times tends to bend to popular opinion and media driven agenda crafting. For example the NCAA, even thou the majority of folks felt it right, hammered Penn St but in doing so acted outside of their authority. They ended up publically having to back track its stance, public egg on the NCAA faces and that in itself has become a sensitive issue with them, an issue they do not likely want to see replayed out. But the yellow media is crafting public opinion with slanted articles almost dailey for the last 3-4yrs. The media is doing all it can to force the NCAA to hammer us. Does the NCAA cave to the public pressure by the media crafted public opinion and find itself having to back track only after we have suffered irrational punishment? Truth is we have already suffered that by the long delays in this process, in large part admit being UNC's snail's pace of dealing with this. But the delay in the face of the media spin has been in itself an "un-official" punishment that so far is an open ended deal. UN-offical as it may be, the effect is as bad if not worse than any "official punishment" would be outside of a death penality. It is because the fact it is open ended means we don't know, recruits don't know, no one knows how long it will last. At least with a post season ban, with scholly reductions like we had in football, you know when it begins and ends and recruits can make their decisions based on knowing rather than guessing.

You need but read these posts, posts by our fans over the last 3-4yrs to see this un-official punishment has severely effected the UNC fan base and seems to get worse with each passing day. You need only read the national media reporting on this to realize how strongly public opinion has been crafted in a negative way toward UNC. Now a small issue for us is magnified by a X100 lens, lies have been told so many times that even our own fans are beginning to believe them. It is so bad at this point that maybe the majority of UNC fans would accept post season bans and sever scholly reductions, even taking down banners just to see this over. That is the calculated destruction of our fan base and the ugly truth is it seems to be working, the UNC fans base seems to me to have all but lost hope. It is going to take many years for this to recover once this is done with by the NCAA. Honestly, I am more disappointed in the fact so many of our fans have lost faith than any of the rest of this, to many seem to have fallen for anything, I stand for something...
 
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