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this is somber material, but still I had to laugh at this. This is from my newsfeed which doesn't let me c&p a link, but the article is from 'The Hill'. Apparently, Russia has been not-so- subtly rattling the nuclear saber again and this is about our response.....
"The U.S. has privately been warning the Kremlin for months of consequences if they use a nuclear weapon in their conflict with Ukraine, according to officials."
"Anonymous officials told The Washington Post that the White House has publicly been purposefully vague about what those consequences would be in an attempt to build concern among Russian leaders, a method of nuclear deterrence called “strategic ambiguity.” "
"Biden added that the U.S. response to Russian use of nuclear weapons would depend on “the extent of what they do.” "
'Strategic ambiguity'? You've got to be shitting me.
Amazing how things boil down to kid games in the hands of....children. But those games are given ridiculously specious names by adults to make them seem something more acceptable to the public than what they are. 'Strategic ambiguity' amounts to this;
I'm gonna kick your ass.
_____Yeah? Well, you'll be sorry.
Oh Yeah? What are you gonna do about it?
_____You'll see.
I'll see what?
_____You'll see what I'm gonna do about it.
What's that?
_____I'm not saying, but you'll see. And it's gonna be big, unless you don't hurt me that much. But you'll be sorry anyway.
Nothing says 'I'm not going to stand up to you' like this does. It is so ridiculously lame it's actually embarrassing. I'm not saying I know of a better alternative, but if that's all I had I wouldn't publicize such lame crap and try to make it sound like I was 'large and in charge'. I would only say 'we have been communicating with Russia about the consequences of such an action' and leave it at that.
Strategic ambiguity, give me a break. 2016 can't get here soon enough. No, that isn't a misprint.
"The U.S. has privately been warning the Kremlin for months of consequences if they use a nuclear weapon in their conflict with Ukraine, according to officials."
"Anonymous officials told The Washington Post that the White House has publicly been purposefully vague about what those consequences would be in an attempt to build concern among Russian leaders, a method of nuclear deterrence called “strategic ambiguity.” "
"Biden added that the U.S. response to Russian use of nuclear weapons would depend on “the extent of what they do.” "
'Strategic ambiguity'? You've got to be shitting me.
Amazing how things boil down to kid games in the hands of....children. But those games are given ridiculously specious names by adults to make them seem something more acceptable to the public than what they are. 'Strategic ambiguity' amounts to this;
I'm gonna kick your ass.
_____Yeah? Well, you'll be sorry.
Oh Yeah? What are you gonna do about it?
_____You'll see.
I'll see what?
_____You'll see what I'm gonna do about it.
What's that?
_____I'm not saying, but you'll see. And it's gonna be big, unless you don't hurt me that much. But you'll be sorry anyway.
Nothing says 'I'm not going to stand up to you' like this does. It is so ridiculously lame it's actually embarrassing. I'm not saying I know of a better alternative, but if that's all I had I wouldn't publicize such lame crap and try to make it sound like I was 'large and in charge'. I would only say 'we have been communicating with Russia about the consequences of such an action' and leave it at that.
Strategic ambiguity, give me a break. 2016 can't get here soon enough. No, that isn't a misprint.
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Of course, there’s a reason the Democrats are not interested in Ray Epps or in the Pipe Bomber. They know not to ask questions about these things because the answers are dark, and point in explosive directions that would be devastating to both the democrats and their allies in the national security establishment. Indeed, Ray Epps and the Pipe Bomb situation are the smoking guns of the entire Fedsurrection hoax that the Democrats have been shoving down the American people’s throats as a pretext to weaponize the national security and law enforcement apparatus against Trump and his supporters."
www.revolver.news
Of course, there’s a reason the Democrats are not interested in Ray Epps or in the Pipe Bomber. They know not to ask questions about these things because the answers are dark, and point in explosive directions that would be devastating to both the democrats and their allies in the national security establishment. Indeed, Ray Epps and the Pipe Bomb situation are the smoking guns of the entire Fedsurrection hoax that the Democrats have been shoving down the American people’s throats as a pretext to weaponize the national security and law enforcement apparatus against Trump and his supporters."
Massie and Gaetz demand answers on Epps in heated Congressional hearing... what is Raskin hiding? - Revolver News
The more they try to sweep the Fedsurrection scandal under the rug, the greater will be the intensity, focus and resolve.
www.revolver.news
Yeah, too bad we can't go back to the four years of Trump constantly bending over to appease the Russian President. Putin never had it so good.
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FIF your dumb ass.
Only the completely moronic would try to sell the idea that a presidency where no invasion of Ukraine occurred is somehow less capable of preventing such an invasion, than the presidency which actually allowed an invasion of Ukraine. What a toad.
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Only MAGAtards like yourself believe that nonsense. Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office because he didn't need to since he had his orange BFF doing his dirty work for him. You know, like holding back military aid to Ukraine in an effort to win the 2020 election and continue on as Putin's errand boy, or trying to dismantle NATO, or obliging any other special request Putin made. As I said, Putin never had it so good.
You mean above where I actually share your posts, proving you said those things and that I wasn't lying? This isn't the first time I've BUSTED you using your own words, but each time you call me a liar rather than legitimately defending yourself or better yet, owning up to it. Lately, whenever I bother reading your posts that aren't addressed to me, I've noticed you do the same thing with others.
You need to work on your ignorantly limited vocabulary, fire pants.
you need to work on your vocabulary. AND not being a liar. I've gotten where I don't respond as much to your stupidity and your deceit, as the other time when I refused to dance to your music and find some other bullshit you had posted. But I'll take on your latest example.
You've decided to make a lame case out my use of the term 'bullshit', choosing for all concerned that bullshit equates to lies. That's bullshit. When I say bullshit here, I'm not saying you are lying, I'm saying that what you're doing is objectionable or isn't in some way acceptable. Your neighbor says to you over the fence after you throw a dead cat in his yard, 'you know, I'm not putting up with your bullshit anymore'. Does that mean he's accusing you of lying? Of course not, but your lying ass wants to make my use seem to be that way. He's just saying he's not putting up with your shitty behavior anymore. Bullshit can equate to lying, but that's only one meaning. Your bullshit might very well contain lies but then it might not. Of course, your lying ass picks a meaning not intended because you are so desperate to wriggle out of being made a fool.
You are unquestionably the most deceitful poster I've ever encountered in all my years on the net, and I'm talking about going back to before there message boards. So while I'm at it, I'll go ahead and repost from MY POST inclusive of the following you said about Trump...
"- Following the white supremacist rally at Charlottesville, he called the Neo-Nazis involved as well as the far-right member who ran his car over and killed an innocent bystander "very fine people."
^^^^^this was you first lie, and a number of posts happened before this next one. This next one was after @pooponduke nailed your lying ass by providing the video where Trump said just the opposite....
"To go before the media and try and sugarcoat this rally was a big miscue by Trump which is all I originally was saying."
^^^^^ this is your second lie trying to cover up the first one. This was after @pooponduke called you out on your lies, and you thought your previous post was too far gone to notice. But I brought it back to the table, didn't I....
Whose pants are really on fire you fvcking lowlife turd? Not only are you a liar, but you're also a coward. You could have responded honestly when I posted the above, but instead you again waited until a number of posts had covered it up, and you found something else to distort and lie about. Why don't you count your lies for us? Don't forget the one insinuating that you quote me, but I don't quote you. LMAO.
Liar, coward and dork is no way to go through life, fishlips. I await your next slimy prevarication. If you only knew how much I enjoy letting shitheads like you make fools of themselves.
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In addition to calling anyone and everyone who disagrees with you "a liar," you also have a propensity for contradicting yourself. Above is the latest example. "That's bullshit" is simply another way of calling me a liar, you moron. By the way, since I haven't thrown any dead cats in your yard bullshit as you use the term does equate to lies.
Yours, fire pants.
I call anyone who lies a liar. YOU are a liar. I plainly said that 'bullshit' COULD indicate lies but that that isn't always the case and gave an example, which you stupidly mocked because you've got nothing else to offer in way of defense. And there is no defense of your lies.
Those who managed to graduate high school generally understand that context is key to understanding and meaning.
from some online dictionary...
context;
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
Maybe the above will help you with the language part of your problem.
Sometimes bullshit means lies and sometimes it means something objectionable, as I said. Understanding context is a great part of reading comprehension, which is the ability to derive meaning from what you read. Did you graduate from high school?
What exactly are you objecting to here? Do you think we're broadcasting our intentions is that the problem?
It's Friday afternoon, the weekend is upon us, temperatures outside are fall-like, and here you are contemplating the varied interpretations of the word bullshit and their specific meanings on a flipping message board. You lead quite an exciting life, blue.
You should get a cat.
broadcasting our intentions? WHAT intentions? We are hiding our supposed intentions with strategeric ambigosity. How the hell did you get that we were broadcasting anything other than our (Biden's) reluctance to go toe-to-toe with Putin?
You buy them books, you take them to school......
We might as well just roll out the red carpet for the Russians, it would be less humiliating than this de facto capitulation..
The lesson that was driven home with the bloodiest sledgehammer ever after WW II was that you can NEVER AGAIN not stand up to the bullies of the world. What is stopping Putin from just continuing to munch out on Eastern Europe? Maybe good election results in two years will do the trick, if it isn't too late.
you should just admit that you're a liar and get a cat yourself. Maybe a cat could stomach you without puking.
Are we not? Have we not given billions to Ukraine to defend their homeland?
Standing up to a bully requires a firm response. I believe we have done that. It needs to be broadcasted.
Russia has already lost. They’ll never conquer Ukraine much less march to the gates of Warsaw. Putin is desperate. That’s all this is.
Do you mean like how Donald Trump spent his one term cozying up with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un? Never again or at least until a spineless suck up gets into office.
you mean like how Donald Trump spent his one term not having Russia invade Ukraine? Never again or at least until a spineless dementia sufferer got elected by morons and UH OH.
seriously? We've given trillions to just about everybody, is the world a better place? Standing up to a bully requires standing up to a bully, not throwing money all over the place in the liberal fashion. 'Oh look, there's some strife...throw a gob of money we don't have at it and have the NYT do another article on how we are saving the world'.
"Russia has already lost. They’ll never conquer Ukraine much less march to the gates of Warsaw. Putin is desperate. That’s all this is."
when you were forming this thought in your mind, did it in some way actually make sense to you? If so, please explain how it did.
RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!!!!! @bluetoe you are wasting your time. One of a couple things is happening here. He's could be a parody poster, but his efforts are so poor that they are not intellectually engaging and aren't humorous either. He could just be stubborn or embarrassed and can't ever admit he was incorrect on anything. But more likely, he's just an idiot who believes the anonymous sources and bullet point summaries hook, line and sinker. He's the guy still arguing that the earth is flat, and that Trump was Putin's errand boy, despite all evidence to the contrary. His go to is some knee slapper. A zinger of some "clever" word of personal insult. Which brings me to a question.
Where are all our liberal, progressive, and PC posters????
You guys and gals should be ramming this down Noir's throat every time he uses this term. Or do the use of offensive terms and what is now considered appropriate language in our society have a different set of rules for references to the orangeman? Hypocrisy much? So, are we now again perfectly free to use the term Libtard and it is no longer offensive?
hypocrite
hĭp′ə-krĭt″
noun
- A Democrat.
- One who assumes a false appearance; one who feigns to be what he is not, or to feel or believe what he does not actually feel or believe; especially, a false pretender to virtue or piety.
- Synonyms, Democrat(see dissembler); Pharisee, formalist, cheat.
- One who plays a part; especially, one who, for the purpose of winning approbation of favor, puts on a fair outside seeming; one who feigns to be other and better than he is; a false pretender to virtue or piety; one who simulates virtue or piety.
- a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives.
I doubt we give most countries the kind of money we've given to Ukraine in the past half year.
My thought process is this: Putin faces no good options. His 'partial mobilization' is already stirring up trouble. Flights out of Moscow are overbooked. The Russian-Finland border is overwhelmed with people trying to avoid conscription. They're are using convicts to fill holes in the ranks. It's an army with a lot of fire power but little discipline and morale, not to mention the horrifically bad logistics.
Putin's sham referendums in the occupied regions will not be recognized by the vast majority of the world. He can't use a nuclear weapon because if he did, Russia would cease to exist. Their economy is being squeezed and to produce the kinds of weapons, tanks, and war materials needed to supply every single one of those 300,000 new soldiers requires said economy to go into a wartime state, which they do not have the capability of doing. It takes the better part of 9+ months or more to train and equip new men going into combat. That is also time they do not have.
So much man manpower and money has gone into this invasion and there's very little to show for it. Ukrainian weapons are too advanced, and their resolve too strong for Russia to topple Zelensky or take Kyiv. They currently have the initiative.
The only way for Russia to win this war is call up so many people to have a numerically superior force of 3 to 1, which would require drafting from Moscow and St. Petersburg. It would cause incredible discontent and rioting. Or he could use nuclear weapons and I don't need to explain to anyone how that could potentially backfire.
This war was a huge mistake and I'm confident the results will bear that out in the next year.
I'm liberal, I'm not PC. I don't get triggered over the word 'retarded.'
I'll use it jokingly with my friends. I'm not going up to a person with down syndrome or a developmental disorder and calling them that. There's a difference.
Woah relax with that nuance talk. It’s America in 2022 and specifically OOTB, that’s definitely not allowed.
that's naive. If they used a nuke in Ukraine, who in your opinion is going to start WW III, that is to say a nuclear holocaust, over it?
That is certainly a valid point.
However, one has to consider why Russia would use a nuke against a country it aims to conquer and exploit. If they turn into another Chernobyl, except bigger, the entire purpose is defeated.
Not to mention the potential retaliation. To use a nuke against Kyiv? It runs the risk of throwing the world into chaos.
you might not be familiar with tactical nukes. Also, the threat IINM is if Ukraine takes the action to Russian territory. That is, ACTUAL Russian territory. I might be mistaken about that now, but at one time that was correct.
Finally, you yourself said Putin was desperate. Wouldn't that qualify as an act of desperation?
Here's another funny situation. regarding the nuclear thing. Some lefty news media said that privately, the Biden admin has been warning Russia of the consequences of using nukes. See the irony? You can't make this numbnutted shit up. That's a test, BTW. If you don't see it, you're a knee-jerk liberal. If you do see it, you're still probably a knee-jerk liberal but there's a small chance that you are not.
Thank you for an honest and reasonable response. And, I would agree that context matters, usage matters, and that triggering is also a problem. The point was about how one is attacked for all those things as well as the hypocritical inconsistency of the attacks. It's exactly why @dadika13 was on the bullseye with what is allowed and what isn't.
I really have no idea of what to do about Ukraine and I must admit that I am so skeptical of all news sources that I really have no idea of what to believe about what has happened and what is happening in Ukraine. They lie and spin the narrative so much on issues right here where we do have access to other sources, it makes it almost impossible to believe anything from that situation.
However, the one thing I do know is that you can always follow the $$$$. The defense industry was hating orangeman for getting us out of our last war. Now, they are making big, big bank once again. All those dollars of weapons being sent over there under the label of doing the right thing just happen to have the consequence of dollars being spent on the defense contractors. America - arming the world.
and making the economy look better on paper as we spend more money we don't have.
My problem with Trump has always been his utter lack of morality, inability to keep his mouth shut, and the precedent he sets by inflaming people's lesser instincts. And, of course, trying to stay in power when he lost an election but I'm not getting into that again. As far as the childish insults go, it's all the same. Trump, Biden, etc. I'm not losing sleep over it.
What sources are you skeptical of? The Ukrainians just won themselves a major victory. What's been lied about? Are you not happy that we're helping a people defend themselves from an aggressive, imperialistic power?
Aside from your insipid flat earth "knee slapper" attempt at "personal insult," please tell me when Trump ever stood up to Vladimir Putin when he was in office.
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