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I don’t have a problem with criticizing a Y for letting a guy use the women’s room. Especially if he was naked.

But you used this incident as an example of why ‘transgenderism’ should never be promoted. You made that connection not me.
yeah, so? What does that have to do with you? You can be trans without promoting it, as we have discussed. And I don't think it should be promoted, as I have made well known.

I have to chuckle though at your being OK with the guy WITH a dick claiming to be a trans being in the women's locker room, as long as the dick isn't showing. Maybe you really are a slice shy of a loaf.
 
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even more lost than usual?


lol, and dimwits with nothing to lose think that if it's change, it must be cool. Sound about right?
It's not a matter of "cool" or "uncool"... it's just fun watching old guys shake with fear when it inevitably comes.
 
yeah, so? What does that have to do with you? You can be trans without promoting it, as we have discussed. And I don't think it should be promoted, as I have made well known.

I have to chuckle though at your being OK with the guy WITH a dick claiming to be a trans being in the women's locker room, as long as the dick isn't showing. Maybe you really are a slice shy of a loaf.

Where did I ever claim I was ok with that?

If someone is just using being trans as an excuse to enter a locker room, they should be kicked out.
 
yeah, so? What does that have to do with you? You can be trans without promoting it, as we have discussed. And I don't think it should be promoted, as I have made well known.

Promoting= existing. In your case.

God forbid someone raises awareness over our struggle. God forbid we seek greater understanding.
 
Promoting= existing. In your case.

God forbid someone raises awareness over our struggle. God forbid we seek greater understanding.
that's such self-absorbed bullshit on your part. I have gone out of my way to let you know that I consider your existence AS YOU ARE completely acceptable (as have others), and you still insist on holding your little pity party.

Greater understanding? Of what? Who the fvck needs to understand you any more than anyone needs to understand me. I and most people don't beg for recognition that way. We are normal in that respect, and if you don't want to not be considered normal, then act normally. Stop with the liberal woe is me crap, wherein you demand to have your cake and eat it too. You know, 'look at me and my abnormal condition but don't look at me as abnormal'. Self-serving, self-absorbed liberal bullshit.

I don't care that you exist, not even a smidge of caring one way or the other. If we have a decent conversation I appreciate it and if we don't that's fine as well. Your transgenderism isn't an issue of any kind until you start sticking it in our faces and demanding to be accepted no matter how stupidly you display yourself, or who you display yourself in front of...
 
Where did I ever claim I was ok with that?

If someone is just using being trans as an excuse to enter a locker room, they should be kicked out.
you didn't exactly condemn that situation either specifically or in general, you just seemed to treat it as a wrong but not entirely unacceptable situation. Just like the above...you are saying that if someone is using trans as an excuse to check out the women's area it isn't OK, but if they are simply exercising their right to use any locker room they want to, then no problem. What is decent and right is to say no dicks, no way, in the women's locker room.
 
It's not a matter of "cool" or "uncool"... it's just fun watching old guys shake with fear when it inevitably comes.
don't mistake fear for disgust, nimrod. Disgust is what you and your mindless ilk provoke in me, You support any abject stupidity that comes along.

And lol at it not being about you wanting to feel cool. That's all your simple, virtue-signaling ass is about. Why else would you always step up to support the completely idiotic.
 
don't mistake fear for disgust, nimrod. Disgust is what you and your mindless ilk provoke in me, You support any abject stupidity that comes along.

And lol at it not being about you wanting to feel cool. That's all your simple, virtue-signaling ass is about. Why else would you always step up to support the completely idiotic.
Tomato, tomahtoe

Me thinks thou dost project too much. Cool? Pish tosh.
 
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What is decent and right is to say no dicks, no way, in the women's locker room.
Stop being such a creepy old man, blue. Can't you create more age-appropriate discussions with your fellow old white men here, like AARP membership and ways to add more fiber to your diet?
 
you didn't exactly condemn that situation either specifically or in general, you just seemed to treat it as a wrong but not entirely unacceptable situation. Just like the above...you are saying that if someone is using trans as an excuse to check out the women's area it isn't OK, but if they are simply exercising their right to use any locker room they want to, then no problem. What is decent and right is to say no dicks, no way, in the women's locker room.

Yeah, you're projecting. Nothing about it was acceptable.
that's such self-absorbed bullshit on your part. I have gone out of my way to let you know that I consider your existence AS YOU ARE completely acceptable (as have others), and you still insist on holding your little pity party.

Greater understanding? Of what? Who the fvck needs to understand you any more than anyone needs to understand me. I and most people don't beg for recognition that way. We are normal in that respect, and if you don't want to not be considered normal, then act normally. Stop with the liberal woe is me crap, wherein you demand to have your cake and eat it too. You know, 'look at me and my abnormal condition but don't look at me as abnormal'. Self-serving, self-absorbed liberal bullshit.

I don't care that you exist, not even a smidge of caring one way or the other. If we have a decent conversation I appreciate it and if we don't that's fine as well. Your transgenderism isn't an issue of any kind until you start sticking it in our faces and demanding to be accepted no matter how stupidly you display yourself, or who you display yourself in front of...

This entire spiel is exactly why one of my goals in the future is to engage on this topic more in a thoughtful, concise manner. Because there are huge inconsistencies here.

I don't consider myself a victim or 'woe is me' on a personal level. I lead a good life and I'm accepted by the people around me. I do think on a broader level across the country there is great fear and misunderstanding, sometimes bordering on violent hatred when it comes to trans people.

But what you're saying fundamentally misrepresents me and my place in all of this. Calling what I am a 'condition'. Asking for simple recognition is 'self absorbed bullshit', and apparently 'stupidly displaying' myself. Bro, I don't walk around with a sign post on my back. I don't get in people's faces. I go about my business and dress like any other young woman my age would dress. You'd never be able to pick me out of a crowd.

You're right, you don't really need recognition. Because you're a late middle aged white guy. Meanwhile, there are LGBT people out there abused, spat upon, and shunned simply for being who they are. By your logic here, it's their fault.

Plain and simple, I'm not losing sleep over this. This forum is basically a place for us to vent about the bullshit we see in the news. And there are a lot of 50+ year olds or near 50 year olds who have no real grasp of these issues nor do they want to learn about them. In the end, it doesn't affect my daily life. But I am going to voice my opinions whenever this issue pops up, especially if it's rooted ignorance.
 
Stop being such a creepy old man, blue. Can't you create more age-appropriate discussions with your fellow old white men here, like AARP membership and ways to add more fiber to your diet?
why are you butting in? Oh that's right, dicks in a locker room is being discussed. Should have known you'd show up to voice your approval.
 
God forbid someone raises awareness over our struggle.

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Yeah, you're projecting. Nothing about it was acceptable.


This entire spiel is exactly why one of my goals in the future is to engage on this topic more in a thoughtful, concise manner. Because there are huge inconsistencies here.

I don't consider myself a victim or 'woe is me' on a personal level. I lead a good life and I'm accepted by the people around me. I do think on a broader level across the country there is great fear and misunderstanding, sometimes bordering on violent hatred when it comes to trans people.

But what you're saying fundamentally misrepresents me and my place in all of this. Calling what I am a 'condition'. Asking for simple recognition is 'self absorbed bullshit', and apparently 'stupidly displaying' myself. Bro, I don't walk around with a sign post on my back. I don't get in people's faces. I go about my business and dress like any other young woman my age would dress. You'd never be able to pick me out of a crowd.

You're right, you don't really need recognition. Because you're a late middle aged white guy. Meanwhile, there are LGBT people out there abused, spat upon, and shunned simply for being who they are. By your logic here, it's their fault.

Plain and simple, I'm not losing sleep over this. This forum is basically a place for us to vent about the bullshit we see in the news. And there are a lot of 50+ year olds or near 50 year olds who have no real grasp of these issues nor do they want to learn about them. In the end, it doesn't affect my daily life. But I am going to voice my opinions whenever this issue pops up, especially if it's rooted ignorance.
more self-absorbed bullshit. Paragraph after paragraph about how it isn't about you, lol.


Yeah, you're projecting. Nothing about it was acceptable.
Really? I'm still waiting for you to say exposed dicks or a dick-bearing human being in a women's locker room is never appropriate.

You should probably read up on what projecting is.
 
No, I'm speaking broadly. Not about me personally.
well, you would be speaking 'broadly', har har.

Still waiting for you to say exposed dicks or a dick-bearing human being in a women's locker room is never appropriate, BTW. To bolster your assertion that the situation being discussed was in no way appropriate.


ETA. I love how you want to talk about the transgender struggle so much, while claiming to not be so connected to it.
 
well, you would be speaking 'broadly', har har.

Still waiting for you to say exposed dicks or a dick-bearing human being in a women's locker room is never appropriate, BTW. To bolster your assertion that the situation being discussed was in no way appropriate.

No, you're not going to boil down this discussion in a game of 'gotcha' over a hit piece article.

A random guy in a women's room, naked? That's unacceptable. A pre-op trans woman who otherwise passes but still has her birth genitals who changes in private? That's fine.

Same goes for trans men. A trans man who still has their breasts changing in front of other men? Not acceptable. A post op trans man with a beard and deep voice changing in front of other men? No issue.

This is what I'm talking about, there's a complete lack of nuance in your insistence I take a certain line for my assertion to be legitimate.
 
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Yeah, you're projecting. Nothing about it was acceptable.


This entire spiel is exactly why one of my goals in the future is to engage on this topic more in a thoughtful, concise manner. Because there are huge inconsistencies here.

I don't consider myself a victim or 'woe is me' on a personal level. I lead a good life and I'm accepted by the people around me. I do think on a broader level across the country there is great fear and misunderstanding, sometimes bordering on violent hatred when it comes to trans people.

But what you're saying fundamentally misrepresents me and my place in all of this. Calling what I am a 'condition'. Asking for simple recognition is 'self absorbed bullshit', and apparently 'stupidly displaying' myself. Bro, I don't walk around with a sign post on my back. I don't get in people's faces. I go about my business and dress like any other young woman my age would dress. You'd never be able to pick me out of a crowd.

You're right, you don't really need recognition. Because you're a late middle aged white guy. Meanwhile, there are LGBT people out there abused, spat upon, and shunned simply for being who they are. By your logic here, it's their fault.

Plain and simple, I'm not losing sleep over this. This forum is basically a place for us to vent about the bullshit we see in the news. And there are a lot of 50+ year olds or near 50 year olds who have no real grasp of these issues nor do they want to learn about them. In the end, it doesn't affect my daily life. But I am going to voice my opinions whenever this issue pops up, especially if it's rooted ignorance.
" there is great fear and misunderstanding, sometimes bordering on violent hatred when it comes to trans people."

That's just ignorance, paranoia and passive aggressive bullying.

What people are pissed about is you guys, those supporting your cause, not leaving the children alone.

What is so hard about understanding that and unequivocally condemning the grooming?
 
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No, you're not going to boil down this discussion in a game of 'gotcha' over a hit piece article.

A random guy in a women's room, naked? That's unacceptable. A pre-op trans woman who otherwise passes but still has her birth genitals who changes in private? That's fine.

Same goes for trans men. A trans man who still has their breasts changing in front of other men? Not acceptable. A post op trans man with a beard and deep voice changing in front of other men? No issue.

This is what I'm talking about, there's a complete lack of nuance in your insistence I take a certain line for my assertion to be legitimate.
in opposing me, YOU said nothing about the core situation was acceptable...yet there wasn't any nuance to suggest that your 'acceptable' above conditions might have existed. That's why I challenged you. THAT is what I was trying to establish, your bullshit and your hypocrisy, not any introduced 'nuance'.

The supposed trans in question wasn't qualified as being 'random' or 'pre-op' or anything else.

I knew all along and said so, that you were not completely condemning the presence of a dick in the women's locker room, but you didn't want to say it.

Once a person has physically changed such that they no longer possess a dick w/balls but have instead had a vag created, that's another ball game (NPI). Until that happens, I have a suggestion for trans with dicks...just stay the fvck out of the women's locker room. As for you, stop acting like that's such a terrible imposition while telling us about the 'struggle'. Give me a break..
 
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You're getting all nostalgic on us, old blue.
yeah, I do miss those discussions about you hanging around the men's locker room in high school and occasionally getting stuffed into a locker; and then trying to portray yourself to us as an athlete. Lots of laughs back then.
 
I knew all along and said so, that you were not completely condemning the presence of a dick in the women's locker room, but you didn't want to say it.

Yes and in doing so, you're trying to make me to be the bad guy in this debate. Once again, the sole purpose of this argument is for you to win it. I do the same thing. Takes one to know one.

But you were the one who made it a transgender issue, not me.
I have a suggestion for trans with dicks...just stay the fvck out of the women's locker room.

I think we'll decide that for ourselves. We have to change somewhere. And we sure as hell can't use the men's room.
As for you, stop acting like that's such a terrible imposition while telling us about the 'struggle'. Give me a break..

There's a thing called 'empathy' that you don't employ often enough. You get way too easily ruffled and you don't genuinely try to understand another point of view.
 
"They surrendered in Afghanistan and armed the Taliban with $80 billion in US arms. Now, they installed a communist regime in Brazil, the largest South American country and economy."

 
Yes and in doing so, you're trying to make me to be the bad guy in this debate. Once again, the sole purpose of this argument is for you to win it. I do the same thing. Takes one to know one.

But you were the one who made it a transgender issue, not me.

not at all trying to make you anything other than to own up to your position. And not trying to win the argument, because there's no argument to win. Again, just trying to get you to clarify what you wanted to avoid clarifying. I stated my position and you hedged yours.

And I made this about transgender? The post and the video this is centered around is precisely about a transgender. DUH. I commented on it and YOU chimed in, and you did so as a transgender. But I made this about transgender?

I think we'll decide that for ourselves. We have to change somewhere. And we sure as hell can't use the men's room.
you don't 'have to' use ANY room. You can either choose the appropriate one according to the presence of male gonads or not use one at all. Not using one at all is not the hardship you want to make it out to be. It's simply a minor limitation of your condition. Stop trying to impose it on the rest of us. You are different. Accordingly, aspects of your life will be different. Deal with it.

There's a thing called 'empathy' that you don't employ often enough. You get way too easily ruffled and you don't genuinely try to understand another point of view.
you don't get to say when or how much I employ empathy. That's the issue here. You somehow believe that you are entitled to it. You aren't, and neither am I. Oh wait, that's right, you have decided that I'm an older white male so I don't need any recognition or empathy or consideration. You have no clue as to what my life is and has been like, but you can pigeonhole me as not deserving considerations while you demand not only considerations but accommodation as well. If there's an argument here (now that you've come clean, [so to speak]), it's that you think your condition entitles you to special consideration, and I say bullshit to that. You aren't physically handicapped.

The only POV I need to understand is the one that imposes itself on society. I fully understand your self-centered POV here and reject it on this matter.
 
not at all trying to make you anything other than to own up to your position. And not trying to win the argument, because there's no argument to win. Again, just trying to get you to clarify what you wanted to avoid clarifying. I stated my position and you hedged yours.

And I made this about transgender? The post and the video this is centered around is precisely about a transgender. DUH. I commented on it and YOU chimed in, and you did so as a transgender. But I made this about transgender?

Yes, you did. The article was in regards to a man in the women's room walking around naked. No reference to what he actually was or wasn't. You interpreted that as a result of a few 'transgenders' combined with lib sheep herd ideology. That's what I was countering.

you don't 'have to' use ANY room. You can either choose the appropriate one according to the presence of male gonads or not use one at all. Not using one at all is not the hardship you want to make it out to be. It's simply a minor limitation of your condition. Stop trying to impose it on the rest of us. You are different. Accordingly, aspects of your life will be different. Deal with it.
I mean yeah, if I'm at a gym, I have to go somewhere. I'm not going to use the damn men's room when I do not look, sound, or act like a man. It's really not that big of a deal that I use the women's bathroom. I impose nothing. You're the one imposing your prejudice and ignorance on me because I'm different.

you don't get to say when or how much I employ empathy. That's the issue here. You somehow believe that you are entitled to it. You aren't, and neither am I. Oh wait, that's right, you have decided that I'm an older white male so I don't need any recognition or empathy or consideration. You have no clue as to what my life is and has been like, but you can pigeonhole me as not deserving considerations while you demand not only considerations but accommodation as well. If there's an argument here (now that you've come clean, [so to speak]), it's that you think your condition entitles you to special consideration, and I say bullshit to that. You aren't physically handicapped.

The only POV I need to understand is the one that imposes itself on society. I fully understand your self-centered POV here and reject it on this matter.

Lol, you literally could not be more tone deaf. I didn't say you weren't deserving of empathy or recognition because you're an older white man. Of course you are deserving it. But that's the point. We ALL are. Your existence and status as an older white man isn't questioned. You aren't told you're going to hell for it, or assaulted, told that you aren't what you say you are.

For the millionth time, trans people aren't asking for special consideration. We're asking for the same thing everyone else gets. I'm not better or worse than anyone else for what I am. But you can't do that, can you? I'm too abnormal. I'm just indulging in a lifestyle choice, therefore whatever negative word or action I receive is entirely my fault.

You are so wrapped up, you interpret my assertion to be treated fairly and equally as an assault on your own recognition and consideration as a white man. And me desiring special privilege. Good Lord.
 
Yes, you did. The article was in regards to a man in the women's room walking around naked. No reference to what he actually was or wasn't. You interpreted that as a result of a few 'transgenders' combined with lib sheep herd ideology. That's what I was countering.
yes I did what? You need better reading comprehension. It is clearly mentioned that the naked guy was supposedly transgender....and it has to be assumed that the Y's policy of allowing naked men to use the women's locker room is based on said male being what amounts to a woman. C'mon man. This is a transgender issue, and I'm not the one who made it one. I'm giving you here the FIRST PARAGRAPH of the text...

"There was a time in American when a man walking around naked in a girl’s locker room at the YMCA, flashing his penis to teens and pre-teens would be lucky to get arrested because otherwise he’d likely get beaten to a pulp by fathers doing what fathers SHOULD do in such a situation. But in America in 2023, a man pretending to be a woman has more protections and better rights than the young girls he scars for the sake of inclusivity."

I mean yeah, if I'm at a gym, I have to go somewhere. I'm not going to use the damn men's room when I do not look, sound, or act like a man. It's really not that big of a deal that I use the women's bathroom. I impose nothing. You're the one imposing your prejudice and ignorance on me because I'm different.

You do? Well here's a novel approach...GO HOME. Understand that YOU are the one who needs to make accommodations to the majority, rather than insisting that the majority accommodates you. That's as I say, self-centered bullshit on your part. And I lol at the idea that I'm imposing on you in not denying the long-held understanding that men and women are different, and that being naked in front of the opposite sex is problematic if both parties aren't in agreement on the situation. Maybe you don't have a normal sex drive. But those of us that do know that it's insane to think it's OK to mix the sexes that way. Maybe you thought 'Starship Troopers' shower scene represented normalcy. Here's a clue...it was just a movie, and it was mocking supposed aspects of the 'progression' of society.
For the millionth time, trans people aren't asking for special consideration.

and for the millionth time, you twist everything so as to make it all about you. I plainly said I don't deserve recognition, but you twist that into that I think you're assaulting the recognition that I said I don't deserve. You are the one now saying I deserve recognition after previously saying...

You're right, you don't really need recognition. Because you're a late middle aged white guy.


And you're only asking for what everyone else gets? Really? I can go freely into the women's locker room? I'm beginning to think that you are so self-absorbed you can't think straight. Wait, let me be honest. I had realized that quite some time ago.

I'm just indulging in a lifestyle choice, therefore whatever negative word or action I receive is entirely my fault.
tell me this...who said you were abnormal? That's right I did, and you are. That's a fact. Who said I said you were TOO abnormal. That's right, not me. YOU said it in attempting to distort my POV for your own purposes, which of course is making this all about you and your condition. And like it or not, it doesn't matter what I call it, it is an 'it', a condition. A rose by any other name smells just as sweet.
 
yes I did what? You need better reading comprehension. It is clearly mentioned that the naked guy was supposedly transgender....and it has to be assumed that the Y's policy of allowing naked men to use the women's locker room is based on said male being what amounts to a woman. C'mon man. This is a transgender issue, and I'm not the one who made it one. I'm giving you here the FIRST PARAGRAPH of the text...

"There was a time in American when a man walking around naked in a girl’s locker room at the YMCA, flashing his penis to teens and pre-teens would be lucky to get arrested because otherwise he’d likely get beaten to a pulp by fathers doing what fathers SHOULD do in such a situation. But in America in 2023, a man pretending to be a woman has more protections and better rights than the young girls he scars for the sake of inclusivity."



You do? Well here's a novel approach...GO HOME. Understand that YOU are the one who needs to make accommodations to the majority, rather than insisting that the majority accommodates you. That's as I say, self-centered bullshit on your part. And I lol at the idea that I'm imposing on you in not denying the long-held understanding that men and women are different, and that being naked in front of the opposite sex is problematic if both parties aren't in agreement on the situation. Maybe you don't have a normal sex drive. But those of us that do know that it's insane to think it's OK to mix the sexes that way. Maybe you thought 'Starship Troopers' shower scene represented normalcy. Here's a clue...it was just a movie, and it was mocking supposed aspects of the 'progression' of society.


and for the millionth time, you twist everything so as to make it all about you. I plainly said I don't deserve recognition, but you twist that into that I think you're assaulting the recognition that I said I don't deserve. You are the one now saying I deserve recognition after previously saying...




And you're only asking for what everyone else gets? Really? I can go freely into the women's locker room? I'm beginning to think that you are so self-absorbed you can't think straight. Wait, let me be honest. I had realized that quite some time ago.


tell me this...who said you were abnormal? That's right I did, and you are. That's a fact. Who said I said you were TOO abnormal. That's right, not me. YOU said it in attempting to distort my POV for your own purposes, which of course is making this all about you and your condition. And like it or not, it doesn't matter what I call it, it is an 'it', a condition. A rose by any other name smells just as sweet.

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This is what it’s like talking to you sometimes. Alas, this is getting pointless.

I’m going to watch football and have a beer.
 
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This is what it’s like talking to you sometimes. Alas, this is getting pointless.

I’m going to watch football and have a beer.
I hope you don't have to watch it alone. Just let your dick hang out and @Heels Noir will be right over.
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This is what it’s like talking to you sometimes. Alas, this is getting pointless.

I’m going to watch football and have a beer.
lol yes, it must be like talking to the 'brick wall of truth'. I can't say you've done much to bring it down or get around it, so it is pretty much pointless for you to keep trying to defeat it. It's been fun watching you try.

Sorry you missed the Buffalo/Miami game, it was pretty good.
 
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I hope you don't have to watch it alone. Just let your dick hang out and @Heels Noir will be right over.

lol yes, it must be like talking to the 'brick wall of truth'. I can't say you've done much to bring it down or get around it, so it is pretty much pointless for you to keep trying to defeat it. It's been fun watching you try.

Sorry you missed the Buffalo/Miami game, it was pretty good.

I watched the second half. I think the Bills played down to their competition. Frankly, they were lucky to pull that out.
 
More to come.

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So, that brings the current tally to what? Something like roughly 1000 convictions to one acquittal? After two years? I wonder if it will take another two years for "more to come." Be sure to keep us posted!
 
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