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Show one piece of evidence something I have said is not factual. Your opinion by the way is not evidence. And then show some more.
Look, you are pretending legit concern over abuse of children and female athletes isn't legit; that somehow it's all about you or people like you rather than protecting innocent people.
No one is erasing you. We just don't want you, or people like you, or people who support what you espouse, to abuse children and female athletes as well as others, and you quite obviously want to defend that abuse by deflecting on some rant about the Bible.
They were protesting the election being stolen which is beyond proven at this point.
What could go wrong with transferring men to women's prisons? Of course, it's just Bible thumpers that envision a problem with this in your world.
California allows 47 biological men to transfer to women’s prison—approve no requests of biological women to move to the men’s estate
SB 132 was enacted in Jan 2021, granting biological males the right to request transfer to women’s prisons based upon a self-declared female gender identity, as well as the right for these males to request to be searched by female staff.
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I agree there. It is definitely BEYOND proven. Ask Rupert Murdoch if it's been proven.
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Former CDC Director Robert Redfield, speaking at the House Oversight Committee on the origin of Covid, defines gain-of-function research and calls for it to be halted. ***
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No, I'm not in anyone's "camp". I'm simply saying it hasn't been proven at all. That's why Rupert Murdoch is being sued for a billion dollars. He knowingly perpetuated a lie. His network was responsible for perpetuating, or helping to perpetuate, those lies. Donald Trump lost the election.
That’s exactly what’s happening. There are bills in Florida, Texas, Tennessee, and Arkansas that aim to do so. Just watch the latest CPAC gathering.
Lol this is exactly what I’m talking about. “Oh we’re not against you we just don’t you do abuse women and children.” That’s pretty aggressive, demeaning language. But it operates under the guise of being noble in order to justify using us as a political scapegoat. Meanwhile none of you Bible thumpers can point to any instance of actual child abuse or that transgender athletes are are a major threat to cisgender ones.
Don’t bother posting any of your usual links that have very clear outlined right wing agendas. In fact, don’t bother replying at all.
Because if there’s one thing I can take solace in, is that in the end, this too shall pass. You cannot stop us from being who we are.
How do any of those bills erase you, carolinablue34? No one is erasing you.
As far as what you see as aggressive, demeaning language, well preying on children and female athletes calls for a very, very serious response.
But even there, how does that hurt you?
And I can fill pages and pages, and have linked to some, proving harm after harm to children and female athletes.
Why would you lie and claim no one has provided that? You know full well I have linked right here of people talking of the harm and damage they suffered at the hands of overly aggressive pushers of transgenderism and treatment, sometimes quite horrible suffering.
Lastly who you are is a man suffering from gender dysphoria who has chosen to treat it via transitioning, right? You are not actually female, correct? No one is taking that from you if that's what you want.
I keep thinking that the authors of the Bible probably wish people Reverend Randman would leave the Bible out of their bigotry, prejudice and ignorance. Whatever guidance, wisdom and comfort offered by Biblical text gets diminished every time it's associated with these lost causes.
Why have you guys brought up the Bible? You don't need the Bible to know allowing men to compete against women is unfair; that people's genders are defined by their chromosomes and not their choice; and that targeting and grooming children is wrong.
I'd wager even you and many others advocating these things know it's wrong as well.
These people single handedly drove me away from organized religion. Not my belief in God. But Christianity might be the most distorted religion of all time from its original message. Even more than Islam, which carries no false pretenses about the violence it intends to inflict to infidels.
So who brought religion into this because this isn't about religion? Even atheists, agnostics, religiously irreverent and any normal person whether religious or not can see grooming children is wrong; that one's chromosomes define one's gender and not their choice, and that allowing men to compete in women's sports is grossly unfair to women.
Nope.
Lemme ask you something. Do you think it's fair for biological men to compete against females in sport?
Yes or no.
No, I did not. CRB did in some weird fantasy that Bible believers were out to erase him or some such.
Are you kidding? Are you just being purposefully stupid at this point? Calling trans people predators and groomers isn't designed to rile people up, get them angry, and turn them against us? Just like I'm sure using that language against gay people didn't get them killed or discriminated against either, right? Or women? or Black people? Or anyone who didn't fit the WASP ideals. You're so full of hatred, you don't even recognize it.
Because your links are lies. Your words are lies. Straight out of the fascist playbook. Your links are misleading, false, or deliberately twist data from legit studies to suit your ignorant narrative.
You're naive if you don't think there's a movement to completely get rid of trans people from public life and criminalize transition. Even for adults. A movement you facilitate.
Here's the bottom line: for the vast majority of people, sex defines their gender. It aligns. For a very small percentage it does not. You can't see chromosomes. But you can see a body, hear a voice, and perceive in public.
Or do you really think this person is a woman simply because he has XY chromosomes? You want him in a women's room? lol
Fair? The way it is constructed and demonstrated now... probably not. Especially in sports where individuals compete. I'm not really sure. I gotta believe that some women can beat some men in a lot of sports. In others, maybe not. If women want equal recognition, then they can compete against men, right? I'm not really against it. I'd be fine with women and men competing against each other in all sports. Doesn't really matter to me. This fixation that human beings have on one being the strongest, most skilled physically, and thus "better than" than the rest is kind of archaic. I guess it's some innate human nature competition thing.
If sports institutions, in general, decided that men and women should be allowed to compete together, in all sports, it would be fine with me. In other words, you could have men and women on the same basketball team, and I'd be fine with that. I don't really care how they pick who is on their respective teams. It might even be kind of cool!
No states are creating laws that are “erasing” anyone. Using hyperbolic language like that does nothing but move the fence-sitters farther away from tolerant. It also paints you as just another group of people trying to grab some victimhood.
Did you not read the list I just posted? At this point, it's not hyperbolic.
Lol. I looked at that list of proposed bills. None of those bills erase anyone. Again, they’re simply saying that we, in those states, are not subscribing to the same fantasy that you are. That seems reasonable to me. What doesn’t seem reasonable is demanding everyone adhere to how you view yourself when we’ve been taught by science for years that what you’re claiming is not scientifically correct.
Also, I don’t get why someone who is trans would choose to use the ladies room when they are a male. Why would someone even want to invite the possibility of someone looking side-eyed at them. I’d like to believe that trans people would choose - on their own volition- to avoid the awkward situation. But as we’ve seen, that is not the case. They want to meet the awkward head on and force the other party to be ok with it. If I were trans, I’d look for the single hitter restroom where I go in and am by myself. That way I avoid potentially being mocked and shamed and I avoid making others feel uncomfortable. Just seems like the more appropriate way to deal with life from the perspective of someone with such an abnormality.
Also, I don’t get why someone who is trans would choose to use the ladies room when they are a male. Why would someone even want to invite the possibility of someone looking side-eyed at them. I’d like to believe that trans people would choose - on their own volition- to avoid the awkward situation. But as we’ve seen, that is not the case. They want to meet the awkward head on and force the other party to be ok with it. If I were trans, I’d look for the single hitter restroom where I go in and am by myself. That way I avoid potentially being mocked and shamed and I avoid making others feel uncomfortable. Just seems like the more appropriate way to deal with life from the perspective of someone with such an abnormality.
As for sports, all trans athletes should compete in the male division or in blue states where this seems to be running rampant, I guess they could create a trans division that those folks can all compete against each other. Seems fair to me.
I love how seamlessly this guy equates trans people with grooming.
There are gazillion times the number of child abuse cases in this world as there are people who feel a disconnect regarding sex/gender in terms of gender norms or their body.
If you are worried about pedo's and child abuse, start with the catholic church and similar orgs.
A) Not every building or restaurant has a single stall restroom.
B) I posed this statement originally and you never addressed it. Do you think trans women look like super tall, muscular, hairy people with wigs and poorly applied makeup? Most of us don't. Yes, there are various stages of passing. But why on earth...
...should this person be arrested for using the women's room? Is that a man simply because she was originally born with a dick? It is not the fault of trans people for being cruelly mocked. That's on those who perpetuate the idea we're just freaks and weirdos. Or threats.
C) Please don't pretend to care about science when a good portion of the people passing these laws deny science on a regular basis.
D) Do you think a trans person should be arrested for using the bathroom because they have the wrong chromosomes?
The Catholic priests have been grooming children for 2000 years!
When butt-ugly people use their "proper restrooms" no one usually cares, do they?A) Not every building or restaurant has a single stall restroom.
B) I posed this statement originally and you never addressed it. Do you think trans women look like super tall, muscular, hairy people with wigs and poorly applied makeup? Most of us don't. Yes, there are various stages of passing. But why on earth...
...should this person be arrested for using the women's room? Is that a man simply because she was originally born with a dick? It is not the fault of trans people for being cruelly mocked. That's on those who perpetuate the idea we're just freaks and weirdos. Or threats.
C) Please don't pretend to care about science when a good portion of the people passing these laws deny science on a regular basis.
D) Do you think a trans person should be arrested for using the bathroom because they have the wrong chromosomes?
I must be missing-out on the public restroom activity. I'm going in their to pee... or, in very extreme, unavoidable circumstances, have a bowel movement. And, I'm gone! I'm not there to make new friends. I don't understand the opportunity for intimacy.
the scienceA) Not every building or restaurant has a single stall restroom.
B) I posed this statement originally and you never addressed it. Do you think trans women look like super tall, muscular, hairy people with wigs and poorly applied makeup? Most of us don't. Yes, there are various stages of passing. But why on earth...
...should this person be arrested for using the women's room? Is that a man simply because she was originally born with a dick? It is not the fault of trans people for being cruelly mocked. That's on those who perpetuate the idea we're just freaks and weirdos. Or threats.
C) Please don't pretend to care about science when a good portion of the people passing these laws deny science on a regular basis.
D) Do you think a trans person should be arrested for using the bathroom because they have the wrong chromosomes?
Biology 101
----dick and balls, and no vagina; male
----vagina, and no dick, and no balls; female
----vagina and dick and/or balls; hermaphrodite
----no discernible genitalia; @Heels Noir
A) Not every building or restaurant has a single stall restroom.
B) I posed this statement originally and you never addressed it. Do you think trans women look like super tall, muscular, hairy people with wigs and poorly applied makeup? Most of us don't. Yes, there are various stages of passing. But why on earth...
...should this person be arrested for using the women's room? Is that a man simply because she was originally born with a dick? It is not the fault of trans people for being cruelly mocked. That's on those who perpetuate the idea we're just freaks and weirdos. Or threats.
C) Please don't pretend to care about science when a good portion of the people passing these laws deny science on a regular basis.
D) Do you think a trans person should be arrested for using the bathroom because they have the wrong chromosomes?
If the person looks like that, how would anyone know they’re trans?
I don't equate trans people with grooming except to the extent they or anyone frankly supports the practice.
Do you support grooming? Your party does. The difference in other areas of grooming is they are openly doing it and using taxpayer money to do it in schools.
If they'd just all vote overwhelmingly democrat, they'd still be doing here in the USA. As the Catholic vote became more Republican, that's when the dems and their allies stepped in on this issue. Should have been stopped a long time ago.
EXACTLY. What difference does it make? And yet under proposed laws in Florida and Arkansas, she could be arrested.
How is a law like that enforceable? You present an ID before going in? You get searched like at an airport? How about for people who are androgynous looking or are for the lack of a better term...ugly?
None of these bills are needed. It's a waste of time and effort.
Even children understand males are stronger, faster and quicker on average than females. The best women's soccer/football team cannot even beat a very good club soccer team of 13-15 year old males, for example.
Look, people on the trans side who are like you are your own worst enemies.Don't tell me that these bills aren't an effort to target and dehumanize us. I will NOT be arrested for using the women's room just because someone under 18 also happens to be in there. I am NOT going to written out of the law and be defined solely by what's between my legs. And I'm going to wear feminine attire in public whether you like it or not.
Are you kidding? Are you just being purposefully stupid at this point? Calling trans people predators and groomers isn't designed to rile people up, get them angry, and turn them against us? Just like I'm sure using that language against gay people didn't get them killed or discriminated against either, right? Or women? or Black people? Or anyone who didn't fit the WASP ideals. You're so full of hatred, you don't even recognize it.
Because your links are lies. Your words are lies. Straight out of the fascist playbook. Your links are misleading, false, or deliberately twist data from legit studies to suit your ignorant narrative.
You're naive if you don't think there's a movement to completely get rid of trans people from public life and criminalize transition. Even for adults. A movement you facilitate.
Here's the bottom line: for the vast majority of people, sex defines their gender. It aligns. For a very small percentage it does not. You can't see chromosomes. But you can see a body, hear a voice, and perceive in public.
Or do you really think this person is a woman simply because he has XY chromosomes? You want him in a women's room? lol
Society moved toward being very tolerant in this area, and maybe too tolerant, as you guys won't take yes for an answer.
Instead, you want to viciously exploit others and push your views on everyone else and create a legit, codified system of discrimination against anyone daring to point out, hey, you can do all this stuff but don't pretend everyone must buy into claims of changing your gender because gender is determined by your chromosomes, not your choices, and that's a fact.
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