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[gunslingerdick]

Play seditious games, win seditious prizes.

Federal judge imposes longest sentence yet for Jan. 6 defendant

Peter Schwartz was sentenced to 14 years and two months in prison. Prosecutors said he was the first to throw a folding chair at officers protecting the Capitol’s Lower West Terrace.

www.nbcnews.com

He had 38 prior convictions. So 14 years for assault seems reasonable. You and the article touting it as some hammer down on Jan 6 is a reach. Frankly, it’s irrelevant. That guy was going to assault someone, somewhere and was going to be sentenced to the same. But cool sensationalism.

 

[gunslingerdick]

The body counts get higher and higher. The framers of the constitution never intended for every household to have one of these in the front yard

Which framer told you that?

 

[strummingram]

He's asking for trouble when people realize he has the ability to "look over the past million years."

Oh, and endorsing his "I don't even wait" molestation which can sometimes be "unfortunate".

You are dreaming. People don't give a shit about his "indiscretions" with women. Most of them (the ones who support him, especially) admire him for it- men and women. It might not earn him new votes, but that's about all it would do.

His mouth might get him convicted in this case... maybe. But, that would just be a medal/accolade for him as far as his disciples are concerned. He called the lawyer, as part of his deposition, a "political plant."

 

[strummingram]

Which framer told you that?

The same ones that told you that they did intend for them to have one.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You are dreaming. People don't give a shit about his "indiscretions" with women. Most of them (the ones who support him, especially) admire him for it- men and women. It might not earn him new votes, but that's about all it would do.

His mouth might get him convicted in this case... maybe. But, that would just be a medal/accolade for him as far as his disciples are concerned. He called the lawyer, as part of his deposition, a "political plant."

Yeah, we refer to it as “good trouble”. Isn’t that a thing?

 

[strummingram]

He had 38 prior convictions. So 14 years for assault seems reasonable. You and the article touting it as some hammer down on Jan 6 is a reach. Frankly, it’s irrelevant. That guy was going to assault someone, somewhere and was going to be sentenced to the same. But cool sensationalism.

Yep, if he hadn't been in DC and helped overrun the Capitol, he'd be a free man.

 

[gunslingerdick]

The same ones that told you that they did intend for them to have one.

So it looks like we’re at an impasse. I reckon we’ll just keep things the way they are since neither side can prove anything in this regard. Cool.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Yep, if he hadn't been in DC and helped overrun the Capitol, he'd be a free man.

Not for long. He obviously was an habitual law breaker. Frankly, it’s coincidental he was in DC on Jan 6. He was bound for a long stay in lock up had he overslept that day.

 

[strummingram]

Yeah, we refer to it as “good trouble”. Isn’t that a thing?

I dunno... I'm not someone who finds it favorable to look for excuses to violate women, and/or defend those who do just because they pretend to have similar political views. Is it?

 

[bluetoe]

How’s about some British politics? Watched about 10 min of the kings coronation. What an utterly pathetic, excessive, and disgusting display of religious hero worship. To glorify and deify a monarchy responsible for some of the most evil repressive and racist conquests and endeavors in the history of mankind is disgusting. God fuk the king

you might want to go a little deeper into the value of having a monarchy to worship, silly as it seems (as it did to me as well). We are smack dab in the middle of a huge clue. People are just prone to put someone or ones on a pedestal that they idolize and/or accept as an authority over them. You know, like @Heels Noir does with me.

We elect such people, but half of us despise the elected and we become divided as a people. We have no ongoing rallying point to bring us together like 9/11 did. Having an idolized, politically neutral figurehead authority (that is, with only ceremonial authority) can be a harmonizing influence, something for people to rally around. You probably wouldn't want to thump King Charlie on the back of the head while he's being crowned, because you wouldn't be safe from the British left OR right OR center.

And as others have pointed out, it's OK to accept and even take pride in historical behavior that represented the then current status quo. And it was the British monarchy that gave the British a reason to be proud of their history.

And of course, some very wise people have noted that the best government is by a king or dictator...as long as it's the right one. We worship democracy and oppose autocracy, but as practiced democracy has serious problems. Long live the King.

Which brings me to my point. As you may by now know, I have applied for the position of King of Everything; and I need your support.....

 

[strummingram]

Not for long. He obviously was an habitual law breaker. Frankly, it’s coincidental he was in DC on Jan 6. He was bound for a long stay in lock up had he overslept that day.

Except that can't be proven. He was, however, imprisoned for his participation at the insurrection. And, with every conviction, the fact that it was an insurrection is solidified. He regrets it, so there's that.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I dunno... I'm not someone who finds it favorable to look for excuses to violate women, and/or defend those who do just because they pretend to have similar political views. Is it?

No. You prefer to break different laws and then say it was justified in the name of good trouble. Tomato, tomahto.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Except that can't be proven. He was, however, imprisoned for his participation at the insurrection. And, with every conviction, the fact that it was an insurrection is solidified. He regrets it, so there's that.

No. He was imprisoned for multiple assaults.

 

[strummingram]

So it looks like we’re at an impasse. I reckon we’ll just keep things the way they are since neither side can prove anything in this regard. Cool.

Well, that would be cool if it were just you and I. But, there are a lot more people involved in this impasse. Archaism and obsolete eventually dies. It's like your precious traitor monuments. They're finally gone. But, you do get to keep the memories.

 

[strummingram]

No. He was imprisoned for multiple assaults.

Including the sedition. It's also great to see those kinds of people are the ones that Trump appeals to all the time.

 

[strummingram]

No. You prefer to break different laws and then say it was justified in the name of good trouble. Tomato, tomahto.

I don't even know wtf you're talking about. What law(s) did I break again?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Well, that would be cool if it were just you and I. But, there are a lot more people involved in this impasse. Archaism and obsolete eventually dies. It's like your precious traitor monuments. They're finally gone. But, you do get to keep the memories.

I’m assuming that my team is about the same size as your team. So again, we’re at an impasse. So we’ll just keep things the way they are until a significant majority can move the needle.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I don't even know wtf you're talking about. What law(s) did I break again?

My bad. Your support of law breakers in the name of good trouble. That’s all I’m doing.

You and I are the same.

 

[strummingram]

I’m assuming that my team is about the same size as your team. So again, we’re at an impasse. So we’ll just keep things the way they are until a significant majority can move the needle.

Well, I don't have a team. I just see victims... dead people. And, then people who refuse to budge on their needledick compensations.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Well, I don't have a team. I just see victims... dead people. And, then people who refuse to budge on their needledick compensations.

I see dead people too. If they had been armed, they might not be.

 

[strummingram]

My bad. Your support of law breakers in the name of good trouble. That’s all I’m doing.

You and I are the same.

"Good Trouble - Representative John Lewis' guiding principle, “Good trouble, necessary trouble—It's not only OK, but necessary to enact and inspire meaningful change.” Government Sanctioned - authoritative approval or permission from local, state or federal levels of elected officials."


What does that have to do with men who believe their privilege allows them to be able to sexually violate women?

 

[gunslingerdick]

"Good Trouble - Representative John Lewis' guiding principle, “Good trouble, necessary trouble—It's not only OK, but necessary to enact and inspire meaningful change.” Government Sanctioned - authoritative approval or permission from local, state or federal levels of elected officials."


What does that have to do with men who believe their privilege allows them to be able to sexually violate women?

Why does he get to have the only definition of good trouble?

 

[strummingram]

I see dead people too.

You do?

If they had been armed, they might not be.

 

[strummingram]

Why does he get to have the only definition of good trouble?

Okay... then you're talking about the TV show streaming on Hulu?

He doesn't get to have anything. Apparently, this colloquialism isn't as universal as you want it to be.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Okay... then you're talking about the TV show streaming on Hulu?

He doesn't get to have anything. Apparently, this colloquialism isn't as universal as you want it to be.

Sure it is. If some people can break laws in the name of what they believe is good trouble, then can’t we all?

 

[gunslingerdick]

You do?

 

[strummingram]

Sure it is. If some people can break laws in the name of what they believe is good trouble, then can’t we all?

Ask, @bleeduncblue that one. All laws are going to be broken, so we shouldn't have laws, in his mind.

They can also get arrested and convicted and serve time for it, too. Except the stars who get a pass for just being stars.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Ask, @bleeduncblue that one. All laws are going to be broken, so we shouldn't have laws, in his mind.

They can also get arrested and convicted and serve time for it, too. Except the stars who get a pass for just being stars.

Yeah, I guess we agree that good trouble doesn’t work for everyone.

 

[bluetoe]

I dunno... I'm not someone who finds it favorable to look for excuses to violate women, and/or defend those who do just because they pretend to have similar political views. Is it?

many here are like my sister. She was shocked that I would vote for Trump, given that Trump said that vile thing about grabbing 'em by the puss and given how much I love her four liberal girls. Yet none of them would as much as blush while pulling the lever for Hillary, whose husband was a KNOWN molester of females and whose many accusers were thrown under the bus by Hillary herself (only to turn around a few years later and say 'you have to believe the woman'...but I digress). I'm not sure who you're referring to when you say someone needs an excuse to violate women.

It should surprise no one who has moved past grade school that guys say things like Trump did; and he wasn't lying, which he gets honesty points for. The shock was that he said it to someone who might repeat it.

BTW, do you feel the same way about women who throw themselves at celebrity and wealth...especially the ones who wait years to claim they were molested?

 

[bleeduncblue]

Reduction seems like a good thing.

of course it is, but you act like laws are the end all, be all ... that was my original point. laws dont stop stupidity and irresponsibility (the dad leaving a gun out).

 

[bleeduncblue]

Ask, @bleeduncblue that one. All laws are going to be broken, so we shouldn't have laws, in his mind.

They can also get arrested and convicted and serve time for it, too. Except the stars who get a pass for just being stars.

c'mon @strummingram, dont be an ass - you know exactly what i'm saying. laws are important and necessary, of course ... but we should not be surprised and aghast when people do stupid stuff and break laws, causing harm and death.

 

[strummingram]

many here are like my sister. She was shocked that I would vote for Trump, given that Trump said that vile thing about grabbing 'em by the puss and given how much I love her four liberal girls. Yet none of them would as much as blush while pulling the lever for Hillary, whose husband was a KNOWN molester of females and whose many accusers were thrown under the bus by Hillary herself (only to turn around a few years later and say 'you have to believe the woman'...but I digress). I'm not sure who you're referring to when you say someone needs an excuse to violate women.

It should surprise no one who has moved past grade school that guys say things like Trump did; and he wasn't lying, which he gets honesty points for. The shock was that he said it to someone who might repeat it.

I don't think anyone is unclear about your ability to make excuses for things that Donald Trump has been accused of doing most of his life.

To me, that has been one of the most enjoyable things about the man's entire political career. It's been interesting watching the lengths that so-called moral conservatives will go to deflect and defend what they would otherwise condemn. They're not really "conservative... all the time.

BTW, do you feel the same way about women who throw themselves at celebrity and wealth...especially the ones who wait years to claim they were molested?

Do I feel what way? And, which women are we talking about? Do some women exploit their sexual prowess to gain influence and pay-offs from powerful men? Absolutely, they do! That doesn't mean they all do that. And, it certainly doesn't allow me to give a pass to the men that are actually violating women.

As soon as DJT is accused of doing anything inappropriate, the instinctive response is for Republicans to go and find any example of it happening elsewhere in order to defend and downplay it.

I bet average rapists an murderers wish that worked in common-people court! "Your honor, my client may have been guilty of the crime, but a lot of men do it and a lot of women are asking for it!"

 

[strummingram]

c'mon @strummingram, dont be an ass - you know exactly what i'm saying. laws are important and necessary, of course ... but we should not be surprised and aghast when people do stupid stuff and break laws, causing harm and death.

Actually, no. I really don't know "exactly what you're saying." I know what I'm reading, and I see what you're writing.

Is it really that frivolous to you to at least TRY and reduce the body counts? If you say "yes", then you're the one being an ass, in my opinion. Someone you love winds up in the pile of dead bodies after a mass shooting, maybe you'd have a different perspective. Maybe not!

Average American citizens do NOT "need" weapons like AR-15s for "defense" or for survival. Those weapons, in the hands of the wrong people, are killing hundreds an hundreds of innocent people. If you're too stubborn to address that because you're too hard-headed... being an ass... about the intentions of men writing a document 250 years ago, then maybe it's your shepherd that needs his flock taken away.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Actually, no. I really don't know "exactly what you're saying." I know what I'm reading, and I see what you're writing.

Is it really that frivolous to you to at least TRY and reduce the body counts? If you say "yes", then you're the one being an ass, in my opinion. Someone you love winds up in the pile of dead bodies after a mass shooting, maybe you'd have a different perspective. Maybe not!

Average American citizens do NOT "need" weapons like AR-15s for "defense" or for survival. Those weapons, in the hands of the wrong people, are killing hundreds an hundreds of innocent people. If you're too stubborn to address that because you're too hard-headed... being an ass... about the intentions of men writing a document 250 years ago, then maybe it's your shepherd that needs his flock taken away.

@strummingram - see you dont even know what conversation you chimed in on. we were not talking about AR-15's (i dont own or want one). it was about the dumb ass irresponsible dad who left a gun laying out, his kid got ahold of it and killed himself ... absolutely tragic. AND absolutely impossible to prevent by any gun law on earth. stop being a seagull, shitting on everyone for no good reason.

 

[strummingram]

@strummingram - see you dont even know what conversation you chimed in on. we were not talking about AR-15's (i dont own or want one). it was about the dumb ass irresponsible dad who left a gun laying out, his kid got ahold of it and killed himself ... absolutely tragic. AND absolutely impossible to prevent by any gun law on earth. stop being a seagull, shitting on everyone for no good reason.

They're all LINKED in this discussion! It's all about trying to further minimize the deaths from firearms. You're claiming that the only time you've chosen to offer an opinion was for the isolated instance of the irresponsible dad?

And, shrugging your shoulders and saying "people are always going to break the law"... that's asinine!

 

[strummingram]

I hope more pubic defenders encourage their rape defendants to use the "she's not my type" defense.

 

[bleeduncblue]

They're all LINKED in this discussion! It's all about trying to further minimize the deaths from firearms. You're claiming that the only time you've chosen to offer an opinion was for the isolated instance of the irresponsible dad?

And, shrugging your shoulders and saying "people are always going to break the law"... that's asinine!

so tell me what law would keep that dumb ass dad from doing what he did? dont speak in poems or libtard BS ... specifically tell me what law you would enact that would stop that from happening. be honest, i can take it.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I’m a firm believer the numbers wont change; only the methods. It’s for that reason, among others, that I’m not budging.

You’re gonna say that I’ve convinced myself of that so that I can have the opinion that I do. You may be right. I don’t care. And the more it’s a national conversation with the typical virtue signaling histrionics, the more I’m skeptical and digging my heels in. And I’d estimate that those sentiments match a very large number of Americans’. So good luck.

 

[strummingram]

dont speak in poems or libtard BS

That was funny!

so tell me what law would keep that dumb ass dad from doing what he did?

In the isolated case of the irresponsible father... I agree with you.

 

[Heels Noir]

People are just prone to put someone or ones on a pedestal that they idolize and/or accept as an authority over them. You know, like @Heels Noir does with me.

Whatever you say, princess.