OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[joeydavid]

'nonexistent? Case in point. Nowhere did I see the word 'nonexistent' in the verbiage provided. The constituents mentioned I'm pretty sure exist. One can turn the narrative whichever way one wants to, but to imply nonexistence of the parties mentioned when nothing of the sort was indicated is exactly the kind of one-sided version of the truth that I'm talking about.

Did it occur to you at all to just let the words provided tell their tale without your biased interpretation? Did it occur to you to mention that Vance made sure to point out that the accounts of his 'existent' constituents is what formed the basis of the 'illegals eating pets' story? No, of course it didn't.

A lib would rather walk around the block to tell a lie than to stay where he is and tell the truth.*

*@heelmanwilm, this is an exaggeration for effect. But you can choose to call it a lie if you so desperately need to do so. Jesus loves you either way.

You are pretty sure? Lol.

If they existed, JV Vance could easily provide the names. People have asked his office for the names. They either don't have any names or need to create the constituents.

Here's another simple way to know that they are lying their asses off. They claim 20k Haitians have taken over Springfield, OH while the entire state of Ohio only has 5200 Haitians.

JV Vance and Trump simply think all of their supporters morons and will believe any nonsense they decide to spew.

In the case of Springfield, there is a fair debate to be had on the resettlement program. It's been great for business and economic growth but it's also stressing services. All of that is fair game for serious politicians- unfortunately both trump and JV are not serious politicians.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Now post the nonsense regarding trump.

Do you know that this was Ron Paul's idea back in 2012 and there's already a bill in Congress regarding tips?

lol. C'mon man.

Is Ron Paul running again? No? He didn’t beat out Trump for the GOP nomination? Hmmm. That almost seems like you bringing up something irrelevant to attempt to muddy the waters. But just in your short time here, I’ve noticed that’s not like you. No way.

 

[gunslingerdick]

He counseled trump on his impeachment.

Why Old Clinton Sleazeball Mark Penn Loves Trump

Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager has become a Trump propagandist.

nymag.com

Seriously, google should be your friend. You will find a lot of articles about this clown.

So a Trump supporter attempted to kill Trump? Is that what the memo the NPCs received says to try and sell? Thats the new strategy rolled out? Eeesh. Y’all should probably go back to the drawing board.

 

[joeydavid]

Is Ron Paul running again? No? He didn’t beat out Trump for the GOP nomination? Hmmm. That almost seems like you bringing up something irrelevant to attempt to muddy the waters. But just in your short time here, I’ve noticed that’s not like you. No way.

Why did you ignore the fact that a no tax on tips bill is already in Congress?

The relevancy, is the notion that this is some new concept by the orange godking. It's not. It's already a bill in Congress so he's wanting to take credit for something that's already proposed.

 

[bluetoe]

He counseled trump on his impeachment.

Why Old Clinton Sleazeball Mark Penn Loves Trump

Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager has become a Trump propagandist.

nymag.com

Seriously, google should be your friend. You will find a lot of articles about this clown.

I like the one you just provided. Noting the date it was posted and seeing it indicated that he was once Hillary's campaign manager kind of sets the tone of mistrust of the words of condemnation within. It's an opinion piece and to me it reflects more on Hillary Clinton and the dems than it does on someone who may have simply seen the light, the error of his ways.

Is it possible that like many of us here, he believes that the Trump impeachments were pure political assassination attempts?

 

[nctransplant]

Why did you ignore the fact that a no tax on tips bill is already in Congress?

The relevancy, is the notion that this is some new concept by the orange godking. It's not. It's already a bill in Congress so he's wanting to take credit for something that's already proposed.

Why did Harris propose it then? And I assume she copied Ted Cruz then.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Why did you ignore the fact that a no tax on tips bill is already in Congress?

The relevancy, is the notion that this is some new concept by the orange godking. It's not. It's already a bill in Congress so he's wanting to take credit for something that's already proposed.

And he beat Kamala to it. She should have been quicker on the draw if it was really something she supported. I’d bet it wasn’t until she saw Trump’s momentum with it and then decided to rip it off.

Also, show me the proposed legislation.

 

[bluetoe]

You are pretty sure? Lol.

Lol? You're the one who implied that his constituents don't exist, genius.

If they existed, JV Vance could easily provide the names. People have asked his office for the names. They either don't have any names or need to create the constituents.

Of course it isn't possible that they don't have names because no names were given, is it? No, we can just assume and then stipulate that constituents don't exist.

Here's another simple way to know that they are lying their asses off. They claim 20k Haitians have taken over Springfield, OH while the entire state of Ohio only has 5200 Haitians.

here's how we substantiate

"The Haitian population is estimated to be between 15,000 to 20,000 in the area and has provided a boost to the nearly dying city, which had lost both industry and population over the last decade, reported Dayton Daily News."

JV Vance and Trump simply think all of their supporters morons and will believe any nonsense they decide to spew.

While the real lies are being foisted on us by Harris/Biden? Exactly. I mean, Bidenomics is working. Right? There is nothing that could be done about the border invasion until the election was within sight. Right? Prez Biden is in full control and doing a splendid job for us. Right? And on and on and on and on.....

In the case of Springfield, there is a fair debate to be had on the resettlement program. It's been great for business and economic growth* but it's also stressing services. All of that is fair game for serious politicians- unfortunately both trump and JV are not serious politicians.**

*but then what happens when the gov. money runs out?

** really? I guess not. I suppose a serious politician would respond to a challenge while on the campaign trail of not doing enough to resolve the situation in Gaza by responding with a straight face that she was locked down with prez Biden 24/7 working to hammer out a solution. Now that there is some serious politicianing by a serious politician. With serious politicians like that, insurrections start to look like a pretty patriotic activity.


lol, GTFO with this nonsense.

 

[bluetoe]

And he beat Kamala to it. She should have been quicker on the draw if it was really something she supported. I’d bet it wasn’t until she saw Trump’s momentum with it and then decided to rip it off.

Also, show me the proposed legislation.

PBS no doubt

"Trump raised the idea to end taxing tips at a June campaign rally in Las Vegas, home to the Culinary Workers’ Union."

"Harris was also in Las Vegas when she announced she supported a similar proposal in August."

"Not long after Trump first raised the idea, a group of senators led by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, introduced legislation to eliminate federal income taxes on tips."

 

[gunslingerdick]

PBS no doubt

"Trump raised the idea to end taxing tips at a June campaign rally in Las Vegas, home to the Culinary Workers’ Union."

"Harris was also in Las Vegas when she announced she supported a similar proposal in August."

"Not long after Trump first raised the idea, a group of senators led by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, introduced legislation to eliminate federal income taxes on tips."

So Trump wants to take credit for the legislation that was created after he brought up the idea? That sonofabitch! How dare he?

 

[bluetoe]

PBS no doubt

"Trump raised the idea to end taxing tips at a June campaign rally in Las Vegas, home to the Culinary Workers’ Union."

"Harris was also in Las Vegas when she announced she supported a similar proposal in August."

"Not long after Trump first raised the idea, a group of senators led by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, introduced legislation to eliminate federal income taxes on tips."

I have to agree with the gist of the article though, that this is primarily for show since the low-income people this is supposed to help don't pay taxes anyway. Additionally, the 'tipped' are not all equal. Some absolutely make bank and don't need a break but they'd be getting one anyway. I know in my younger days I probably retired a dancer or two.

 

[bluetoe]

So Trump wants to take credit for the legislation that was created after he brought up the idea? That sonofabitch! How dare he?

I know, right? He just isn't a serious politician or he would have lied to take credit for it.

 

[bluetoe]

dang, @Heels Noir, why do even your laughing emojis seem to be lying? Mine don't. Maybe that's because I don't trot them out in place of an honest response. Har har.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Lol? You're the one who implied that his constituents don't exist, genius.



Of course it isn't possible that they don't have names because no names were given, is it? No, we can just assume and then stipulate that constituents don't exist.


here's how we substantiate

"The Haitian population is estimated to be between 15,000 to 20,000 in the area and has provided a boost to the nearly dying city, which had lost both industry and population over the last decade, reported Dayton Daily News."



While the real lies are being foisted on us by Harris/Biden? Exactly. I mean, Bidenomics is working. Right? There is nothing that could be done about the border invasion until the election was within sight. Right? Prez Biden is in full control and doing a splendid job for us. Right? And on and on and on and on.....



*but then what happens when the gov. money runs out?

** really? I guess not. I suppose a serious politician would respond to a challenge while on the campaign trail of not doing enough to resolve the situation in Gaza by responding with a straight face that she was locked down with prez Biden 24/7 working to hammer out a solution. Now that there is some serious politicianing by a serious politician. With serious politicians like that, insurrections start to look like a pretty patriotic activity.


lol, GTFO with this nonsense.

I think you've run lil @joeydavid off with this poast, @bluetoe . Why you want to hurt 'em like that?

 

[nctransplant]

I have to agree with the gist of the article though, that this is primarily for show since the low-income people this is supposed to help don't pay taxes anyway. Additionally, the 'tipped' are not all equal. Some absolutely make bank and don't need a break but they'd be getting one anyway. I know in my younger days I probably retired a dancer or two.

I guide turkey hunts in the spring for my son-in-law. He pays me well, but sends me a 1099, but I make bank on tips.

 

[joeydavid]

Lol? You're the one who implied that his constituents don't exist, genius.



Of course it isn't possible that they don't have names because no names were given, is it? No, we can just assume and then stipulate that constituents don't exist.


here's how we substantiate

"The Haitian population is estimated to be between 15,000 to 20,000 in the area and has provided a boost to the nearly dying city, which had lost both industry and population over the last decade, reported Dayton Daily News."



While the real lies are being foisted on us by Harris/Biden? Exactly. I mean, Bidenomics is working. Right? There is nothing that could be done about the border invasion until the election was within sight. Right? Prez Biden is in full control and doing a splendid job for us. Right? And on and on and on and on.....



*but then what happens when the gov. money runs out?

** really? I guess not. I suppose a serious politician would respond to a challenge while on the campaign trail of not doing enough to resolve the situation in Gaza by responding with a straight face that she was locked down with prez Biden 24/7 working to hammer out a solution. Now that there is some serious politicianing by a serious politician. With serious politicians like that, insurrections start to look like a pretty patriotic activity.


lol, GTFO with this nonsense.

Serious question, do you know of a congressional office, let alone a senator's office who doesn't track every communication with their constituents? I don't.

That article you quoted says... "Some have said there are around 15,000-20,000" then they quote "12,000 to 15000) Sounds like a very Trumpy comment to cover that it's nonsense.

See if you can following this. ACS lists the July 2023 population of people born in Haiti living in Ohio (state) as 5,264.

One woould assume the with 20,000 more people in a town of 60,000, the schools would be overwhelmed by the new students. Oddly, there's only 188 more students (3% increase) in their whole system.

Vital statistics show 599 births in 2023 to mothers born in Haiti verses 472 in 2024 (so far) . Birth trends aren’t linear, but even assuming linear increase, that’s a max of ~700 births (15% increase).

Through August 2024, there's been 29 deaths (a decrease) among all Black Hispanic (not just Haitians) Ohiohans.

2023: 62

2022: 45

2021: 59

If you have any understanding of statistical analysis- you should be calling bullshit on the notion that 20,000 to 70,000 Haitians are now in Springfield.

These 15,000-25,000 (again, use whatever number you want) Haitian immigrants beyond what the Census lists (5k)...

They're not dying,
They're not having extra babies,
They're not in the schools?

Where are they? It's a simple question.

But back to the point, you can cover for a old fool who actually believes people are eating the neighbors pets, which is fine but he's still an old fool.

 

[nctransplant]

Serious question, do you know of a congressional office, let alone a senator's office who doesn't track every communication with their constituents? I don't.

That article you quoted says... "Some have said there are around 15,000-20,000" then they quote "12,000 to 15000) Sounds like very Trumpy comment.

See if you can following this. ACS lists the July 2023 population of people born in Haiti living in Ohio (state) as 5,264.

One woould assume the with 20,000 more people in a town of 60,000, the schools would be overwhelmed by the new students. Oddly, there's only 188 more students (3% increase) in their whole system.

Vital statistics show 599 births in 2023 to mothers born in Haiti verses 472 in 2024 (so far) . Birth trends aren’t linear, but even assuming linear increase, that’s a max of ~700 births (15% increase).

Through August 2024, there's been 29 deaths (a decrease) among all Black Hispanic (not just Haitians) Ohiohans.

2023: 62

2022: 45

2021: 59

If you have any understanding of statistical analysis- you should be calling bullshit on the notion that 20,000 to 70,000 Haitians are now in Springfield.

These 15,000-25,000 (again, use whatever number you want) Haitian immigrants beyond what the Census lists (5k)...

They're not dying,
They're not having extra babies,
They're not in the schools?

Where are they?

Ask the New York Times, they reported it.

 

[Heels Noir]

I know in my younger days I probably retired a dancer or two.

There are a couple of ways of deciphering that. I'm going with "girls who quit their jobs because of the creepy guy who hangs around the strip club."

 

[nctransplant]

PBS no doubt

"Trump raised the idea to end taxing tips at a June campaign rally in Las Vegas, home to the Culinary Workers’ Union."

"Harris was also in Las Vegas when she announced she supported a similar proposal in August."

"Not long after Trump first raised the idea, a group of senators led by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, introduced legislation to eliminate federal income taxes on tips."

@joeydavid

 

[joeydavid]

@joeydavid

The initial report of "20,000-30,000" is linked to a Heritage-affiliated anti-immigration think-tank that writes a lot about brown immigrants. It's a lazy reporter not checking the numbers to see if they make any logical sense.

 

[nctransplant]

The initial report of "20,000-30,000" is linked to a Heritage-affiliated anti-immigration think-tank that writes a lot about brown immigrants. It's a lazy reporter not checking the numbers to see if they make any logical sense.

You didn't even answer the post I tagged you in. You are a dipshit. You fit right in with our local dipshits.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Serious question, do you know of a congressional office, let alone a senator's office who doesn't track every communication with their constituents? I don't.

That article you quoted says... "Some have said there are around 15,000-20,000" then they quote "12,000 to 15000) Sounds like a very Trumpy comment to cover that it's nonsense.

See if you can following this. ACS lists the July 2023 population of people born in Haiti living in Ohio (state) as 5,264.

One woould assume the with 20,000 more people in a town of 60,000, the schools would be overwhelmed by the new students. Oddly, there's only 188 more students (3% increase) in their whole system.

Vital statistics show 599 births in 2023 to mothers born in Haiti verses 472 in 2024 (so far) . Birth trends aren’t linear, but even assuming linear increase, that’s a max of ~700 births (15% increase).

Through August 2024, there's been 29 deaths (a decrease) among all Black Hispanic (not just Haitians) Ohiohans.

2023: 62

2022: 45

2021: 59

If you have any understanding of statistical analysis- you should be calling bullshit on the notion that 20,000 to 70,000 Haitians are now in Springfield.

These 15,000-25,000 (again, use whatever number you want) Haitian immigrants beyond what the Census lists (5k)...

They're not dying,
They're not having extra babies,
They're not in the schools?

Where are they? It's a simple question.

But back to the point, you can cover for a old fool who actually believes people are eating the neighbors pets, which is fine but he's still an old fool.

That’s President-Elect Old Fool to you. Show some respect.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You didn't even answer the post I tagged you in. You are a dipshit. You fit right in with our local dipshits.

He’s running from being taken to task trying to claim Trump planned on falsely taking credit for legislation (that was created after he floated the idea). He’s not going to speak to that.

 

[nctransplant]

He’s running from being taken to task trying to claim Trump planned on falsely taking credit for legislation (that was created after he floated the idea). He’s not going to speak to that.

Which makes him just like our resident liberal dipshits. They avoid answering questions as well as their queen.

 

[prlyles]

Hey noob. Thanks for chiming in.

You do realize a ton of shit that you Democrat NPCs have called conspiracy theories in the past have proven to be true, right?

And I'm sure in 6 months we will find out people really are eating cats. Just like the 2020 elections, you people knew in the beginning it was a lie and now 90% of you idiots believe it happened.

 

[nctransplant]

And I'm sure in 6 months we will find out people really are eating cats. Just like the 2020 elections, you people knew in the beginning it was a lie and now 90% of you idiots believe it happened.

Russia, Russia, Russia. Biden's mental incapacities, the list goes on and on.

Mention dipshits and this dipshit shows up.

 

[prlyles]

no, in my decent universe, I admit that everyone lies from time to time. But only some lie so habitually, as you do, that lying becomes their predominant character trait.

How in the hell can you say that with a straight face...lol

 

[prlyles]

Lol? You're the one who implied that his constituents don't exist, genius.



Of course it isn't possible that they don't have names because no names were given, is it? No, we can just assume and then stipulate that constituents don't exist.


here's how we substantiate

"The Haitian population is estimated to be between 15,000 to 20,000 in the area and has provided a boost to the nearly dying city, which had lost both industry and population over the last decade, reported Dayton Daily News."



While the real lies are being foisted on us by Harris/Biden? Exactly. I mean, Bidenomics is working. Right? There is nothing that could be done about the border invasion until the election was within sight. Right? Prez Biden is in full control and doing a splendid job for us. Right? And on and on and on and on.....



*but then what happens when the gov. money runs out?

** really? I guess not. I suppose a serious politician would respond to a challenge while on the campaign trail of not doing enough to resolve the situation in Gaza by responding with a straight face that she was locked down with prez Biden 24/7 working to hammer out a solution. Now that there is some serious politicianing by a serious politician. With serious politicians like that, insurrections start to look like a pretty patriotic activity.


lol, GTFO with this nonsense.

You people should stop sucking each other off long enough to at least attempt to get your shit straight.

 

[prlyles]

I guide turkey hunts in the spring for my son-in-law. He pays me well, but sends me a 1099, but I make bank on tips.

What part of the state do you guide them?

 

[nctransplant]

@prlyles how about you post properly? Are you saying Russia was a hoax? Was Trump saying the FBI was spying on him a hoax? Are you saying The left saying Biden was "sharp as a tack" was a hoax?

 

[bluetoe]

You people should stop sucking each other off long enough to at least attempt to get your shit straight.

How in the hell can you say that with a straight face...lol

how in the hell can you make post after post after pointless post without saying anything at all?

You should stop letting the board libs push your shit so far in that it's coming out of your ears. You do seem to have quite a yen for it though, and at least there's something up there filling that otherwise empty skull of yours.

 

[nctransplant]

What part of the state do you guide them?

North central

 

[prlyles]

Ask the New York Times, they reported it.

Don't make any difference who reported it, is it true or not?

 

[nctransplant]

how in the hell can you make post after post after pointless post without saying anything at all?

You should stop letting the board libs push your shit so far in that it's coming out of your ears. You do seem to have quite a yen for it though, and at least there's something up there filling that otherwise empty skull of yours.

I guess he believes all those things.

 

[nctransplant]

Don't make any difference who reported it, is it true or not?

I'm going with true for $1000 Alex. Of course the NYT is a liberal rag and liberals are known for lying.

 

[prlyles]

North central

Up close to the Virginia state line?

 

[gunslingerdick]

@prlyles how about you post properly? Are you saying Russia was a hoax? Was Trump saying the FBI was spying on him a hoax? Are you saying The left saying Biden was "sharp as a tack" was a hoax?

Hunter’s laptop, ivermectin, social media censoring Trump campaign, “good people on both sides”, and on and on and on. All conspiracy theories according to the left. We’re all just a bunch of crackpots spitballing these insane theories!

 

[nctransplant]

Up close to the Virginia state line?

I'm in Nebraska, Moved here in 2009.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Up close to the Virginia state line?

You know, up in Nowheresville, Nebraska…up near the Virginia state line

 

[nctransplant]

Hunter’s laptop, ivermectin, social media censoring Trump campaign, “good people on both sides”, and on and on and on. All conspiracy theories according to the left. We’re all just a bunch of crackpots spitballing these insane theories!

Yeah the laptop was a real nothing burger. No way did ol' Hunter just plead guilty to tax evasion because Weiss was about to bust him and paw paw over the money they received from Romania for influence peddling while paw paw was VP.