OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[bluetoe]

Very well said.

People being supported in part by Osama bin Laden helping us "win" the Cold War is the definition of irony. Also, the Soviets are idiots for not learning from our disaster in Vietnam...Afghanistan was their Vietnam, they just weren't strong enough to recover from their mistake like we did with ours.

that's assuming that we recovered, and I'd have to say we never have fully recovered in some ways. To your point though, we were strong enough economically to survive, and that's testament to the relative strengths of the two systems. Unfortunately, we have adopted the notion that resilient and strong is synonymous with unbreakable, and that's where we should take a lesson from the Soviets.

What the Soviets thought that they had going for them that we didn't was control over the media. The media defeated us in Vietnam, whereas an unfettered media might have kept the Soviets from plunging in too deeply and quickly in Afghanistan.

 

[uncboy10]

I think 30 billion to bankrupt the soviet union was a good investment. Honestly, what do they bring to the table?

 

[dadika13]

Don't forget robbing them, raping their women, and castrating their children...

 

[uncboy10]

Don't forget robbing them, raping their women, and castrating their children...

Actually I think I would rather forget that part if you don’t mind...

 

[Grayhead]

that's assuming that we recovered, and I'd have to say we never have fully recovered in some ways. To your point though, we were strong enough economically to survive, and that's testament to the relative strengths of the two systems. Unfortunately, we have adopted the notion that resilient and strong is synonymous with unbreakable, and that's where we should take a lesson from the Soviets.

What the Soviets thought that they had going for them that we didn't was control over the media. The media defeated us in Vietnam, whereas an unfettered media might have kept the Soviets from plunging in too deeply and quickly in Afghanistan.

I remember stories of people in line around cor ers for toilet paper.....did they have covid that far back

 

[bluetoe]

I remember stories of people in line around cor ers for toilet paper.....did they have covid that far back

not sure what you are referring to

 

[Grayhead]

not sure what you are referring to

People of soviet union and their shortage of essentials during that period. Lined up for those basic supplies. And referring to last years shortage of ourown

 

[strummingram]

People of soviet union and their shortage of essentials during that period. Lined up for those basic supplies. And referring to last years shortage of ourown

There was no shortage of toilet paper and paper towels. There was a panic by Americans to buy more than they would ever need, and force others to be without it.

 

[bluetoe]

People of soviet union and their shortage of essentials during that period. Lined up for those basic supplies. And referring to last years shortage of ourown

gotcha now.

 

[carolinablue34]

The Soviets definitely gave us something to unite against.

China could provide that again but they still aren't as strong as us in many areas. They also have enormous problems of their own that prevent them from becoming a solely, dominant superpower.

 

[bluetoe]

The Soviets definitely gave us something to unite against.

China could provide that again but they still aren't as strong as us in many areas. They also have enormous problems of their own that prevent them from becoming a solely, dominant superpower.

it's a little more than just something to unite against. It's about perceptions. It needs to be pretty much diametrically opposed to us, a stark contrast to us politically, economically, even philosophically, and most importantly, opposed TO us. China was smart enough to adopt a capitalist approach and open up socially, such that they now seem to the average yokel to merely be competitors in the marketplace. Only some of us realize that they intend to suck out our marrow by hook or by crook. They aren't going toe-to-toe with us with their own technology to prove a point, they are going toe-to-toe with us with OUR technology to kick our ass and displace us. Look at what happened when Trump tried to push back (one of the major reasons I supported his Presidency); few could see the worth of standing up to them and he received his usual rashion of shit for trying to help the country.

It wasn't that way with the Soviets. They were flat out villains and we were the good guys. Now the left paints us as the bad guys and the rest of the world are our victims.

 

[blazers]

The Soviets definitely gave us something to unite against.

China could provide that again but they still aren't as strong as us in many areas. They also have enormous problems of their own that prevent them from becoming a solely, dominant superpower.

China is strong in the long game. It is just a matter of time before we realize they could've called check-mate awhile ago.

 

[blazers]

Pwning the libs




Of course the Repubs would also lie about this simply to pander to Maga. Just like Trump quietly (secretly) getting the vaccine months ago.

 

[heelmanwilm]

I’ve never understood “pwning”. I know what it means but htf did it originate?

 

[Heelicious]

I’ve never understood “pwning”. I know what it means but htf did it originate?

without looking it up, IIRC there was some prominent video game player that was playing some other player, in say a Call of Duty or other weaponized game, where you could type comments to the player you were playing. I guess when he typed to the person he was "owning" in their game competition, he accidentally typed "pwned" instead of "owned" and somehow it stuck as a cultural thing for totally owned.

 

[dadika13]

They were flat out villains and we were the good guys.

Hollywood, the media, etc. helped paint that picture more than anything the Soviets did. Every 80s action movie has the same villain, some shady Russians and the media pumped up the divide no matter what was actually happening (sound familiar?)

So for someone who hates being told what to think by the media as you've shown in your posts, I'm surprised you fall into that villain vs. good guy thinking of the Cold War. After the 60s, the Cold War was more of a Cool War diplomatically with arms race slowdown agreements, economic agreements, etc. (it's actually a shame Nixon was such a moron for taping himself being shady during an election he was going to win in a landslide because his US-Soviet strides should have earned him a Nobel). The "New Cold War" in the 80s was a 100% media driven creation, the Soviets were in shambles by then and we knew it.

So sure, it gave the average American an us vs. them mentality but we've already learned the average American is an idiot.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Hollywood, the media, etc. helped paint that picture more than anything the Soviets did. Every 80s action movie has the same villain, some shady Russians and the media pumped up the divide no matter what was actually happening (sound familiar?)

So for someone who hates being told what to think by the media as you've shown in your posts, I'm surprised you fall into that villain vs. good guy thinking of the Cold War. After the 60s, the Cold War was more of a Cool War diplomatically with arms race slowdown agreements, economic agreements, etc. (it's actually a shame Nixon was such a moron for taping himself being shady during an election he was going to win in a landslide because his US-Soviet strides should have earned him a Nobel). The "New Cold War" in the 80s was a 100% media driven creation, the Soviets were in shambles by then and we knew it.

So sure, it gave the average American an us vs. them mentality but we've already learned the average American is an idiot.

That's how it should be in America. We should all be united against a common foe. The problem is that now a large segment of America wants to paint us as the villain. I don't know about y'all, but I'm a homer. We could indeed be the villain but that's not how any of us should see it. There was a time - not that long ago - when all of us were irrationally pro-America.

 

[dadika13]

That's how it should be in America. We should all be united against a common foe. The problem is that now a large segment of America wants to paint us as the villain. I don't know about y'all, but I'm a homer. We could indeed be the villain but that's not how any of us should see it. There was a time - not that long ago - when all of us were irrationally pro-America.

I agree with it - when the foe is a foe.

Post 9/11 was an incredible feeling of shared patriotism. We were attacked and everyone stood up and said now you're going to pay. There were American flags on every street corner where I grew up and on campus. The feeling of not caring if you're a republican or democrat or if you voted for Bush or not it didn't matter, that's my f-ing President and this is all of our f-ing country and if you don't like it then GFTO. It was awesome.

I just wouldn't compare that to the actual threat of the Soviets from like 1972-90 when compared to how it was portrayed in the media.

 

[blazers]

That's how it should be in America. We should all be united against a common foe. The problem is that now a large segment of America wants to paint us as the villain. I don't know about y'all, but I'm a homer. We could indeed be the villain but that's not how any of us should see it. There was a time - not that long ago - when all of us were irrationally pro-America.

'a large segment' - the number of rioters attacking the villainous enemies in Congress (and traitor pence) was actually small, just 483 people have been arrested and charged with crimes as of may 18.

 

[blazers]

"Know your client" amirite?

The attorney for alleged insurrectionist and “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley says:

“A lot of these defendants… they’re all ****ing short-bus people,” Albert Watkins told Talking Points Memo. “These are people with brain damage, they’re ****ing retarded... But they’re our brothers, our sisters, our neighbors, our coworkers—they’re part of our country. These aren’t bad people, they don’t have prior criminal history. ****, they were subjected to four-plus years of goddamn propaganda the likes of which the world has not seen since ****ing Hitler.”

 

[bluetoe]

Hollywood, the media, etc. helped paint that picture more than anything the Soviets did. Every 80s action movie has the same villain, some shady Russians and the media pumped up the divide no matter what was actually happening (sound familiar?)

So for someone who hates being told what to think by the media as you've shown in your posts, I'm surprised you fall into that villain vs. good guy thinking of the Cold War. After the 60s, the Cold War was more of a Cool War diplomatically with arms race slowdown agreements, economic agreements, etc. (it's actually a shame Nixon was such a moron for taping himself being shady during an election he was going to win in a landslide because his US-Soviet strides should have earned him a Nobel). The "New Cold War" in the 80s was a 100% media driven creation, the Soviets were in shambles by then and we knew it.

So sure, it gave the average American an us vs. them mentality but we've already learned the average American is an idiot.

"So for someone who hates being told what to think by the media as you've shown in your posts, I'm surprised you fall into that villain vs. good guy thinking of the Cold War."

I'm surprised, your comment is completely unfounded. First of all, I was pointing out the general public perception, not my individual ones. The last time I checked. my perceptions have had little to do with what the country at large was doing, and what the country at large was doing was the subject.

My point was that we needed to have the good guy vs bad guy way of looking at an entity that could spread its negative influence across the globe, and the commies were always active in spreading that rathole system. Otherwise, that is without that 'evil' foil to play off of, we would fall into that easy socialistic mindset just as we have. What we knew behind the scenes has nothing to do with it, and how that perception was brought about is immaterial.

I don't know how you arrived at what you did. That the average American is an idiot may very well be true and germane to the point, but that is pretty much a conclusion for you to draw on your own.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Pwning the libs

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Of course the Repubs would also lie about this simply to pander to Maga. Just like Trump quietly (secretly) getting the vaccine months ago.

I'd love to know how these stats would change if the election had gone the other way. This time last year all we heard from the left was about how the "Trump vaccine" was a rushed botch-job that was a desperate attempt to get re-elected. So I'm guessing the Republicans would be all-in on getting it, and the Democrats would keep to their messaging. Partisan hacks, all of them.

 

[gunslingerdick]

'a large segment' - the number of rioters attacking the villainous enemies in Congress (and traitor pence) was actually small, just 483 people have been arrested and charged with crimes as of may 18.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. I'm sure it's idiotic though. I'll probably kick myself for asking for an explanation.

 

[Heelicious]

I'd love to know how these stats would change if the election had gone the other way. This time last year all we heard from the left was about how the "Trump vaccine" was a rushed botch-job that was a desperate attempt to get re-elected. So I'm guessing the Republicans would be all-in on getting it, and the Democrats would keep to their messaging. Partisan hacks, all of them.

@Hark_The_Sound_2010 yes - 100% provably true, not just opinion. Just take HCQ as a treatment or prevention measure for example. It clearly was proven to be very useful in treating , fighting COVID, but the left couldn't have anything to do with it because DJT pushed for it and supported it. So lots of people have died that could have been saved, if HCQ didn't come across to the left as "a DJT hoax / placebo drug".
You can draw the parallel on opposite sides about the COVID vaccine. While I haven't gotten vaccinated yet, (but very likely will) - DJT is in support of the vaccine and has himself gotten vaccinated, and pushed for others to do the same. And no, he didn't get vaccinated "in secret" as some on this board have said. How stupid of them.

For me personally, while I will still get vaccinated - what makes me consider more and more, not wanting to do it, is just on a principle standpoint, how opposed I am to the vax pushers just saying "STFU and do it because I said so" - in lieu of strong evidence that the vaccine has significantly reduced COVID (I think the vaccine has helped a lot worldwide, BTW in getting close toward herd immunity BTW, and is a great thing. I don't believe masking has ever really made much of any difference. Results just don't back up masks helping).

It just really rubs me the wrong way, the govt or businesses or media or the Karen I don't even know in the grocery store or park, deranged screaming at me about what I need to do with my body / health, without making a good case for it.

 

[tarheel0910]

Post 9/11 was an incredible feeling of shared patriotism. We were attacked and everyone stood up and said now you're going to pay. There were American flags on every street corner where I grew up and on campus. The feeling of not caring if you're a republican or democrat or if you voted for Bush or not it didn't matter, that's my f-ing President and this is all of our f-ing country and if you don't like it then GFTO. It was awesome.

Don't forget about that perfect strike from Bush during the world series. The pitch heard round the world.

 

[chickenhunter]

Wonder if there will be any riots for the kid that was murdered.

Did his life matter?

Who is Darriynn Brown and what did he do?

DALLAS teen Darriynn Brown had a previous run-in with the law from an arrest dating back to April 2021. The 18-year-old was facing a misdemeanor charge of evading arrest, according to court documen…

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[uncfootball-]

 

[carolinablue34]

I understand the need for some abortion restrictions after the second trimester. But why 6 week freaking weeks as it's now banned in Texas? A lot of women don't even know they're pregnant by then. It's essentially banning the practice.

 

[Heelicious]

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In this same speech Dementia Joe had a point where he took a joke jab at the Navy that he thought the Coast Guard would / should clap for or laugh at.

Instead, dead silence.

He literally cannot string two coherent sentences together even reading a prompter. So its impossible for his audience to decipher even a simple setup and punch line out of the raw brain-rot human sewage that pours from his mouth.

Then he berated the graduates for not laughing or clapping. His "please clap" moment (and not his first or last, to be sure).

So much cringe.

 

[Heelicious]

Wonder if there will be any riots for the kid that was murdered.

Did his life matter?

Who is Darriynn Brown and what did he do?

DALLAS teen Darriynn Brown had a previous run-in with the law from an arrest dating back to April 2021. The 18-year-old was facing a misdemeanor charge of evading arrest, according to court documen…

www.the-sun.com

You know the answer to this. The only black lives that matter to BLM are the ones taken by white cops when the black life resists arrest, attacks cops, is in middle of committing a violent crime...

do the 100s of other black, white, brown innocent people killed each year matter in the least to the BLM crowd? Don't be ridiculous. They never have, and never will. They aren't part of the narrative / agenda.

In Minneapolis, just in this last week alone, in three separate shooting incidents, three black children (one girl, two boys) all ten years old or younger, were killed by gunshot wounds - innocent victims of stray bullets from other black criminals, gang members. Riding home in a car from McDonalds, etc. Imagine the grief to parents / family.

Surely you all heard about this atrocity, right? No? The media and BLM are sickening gutless immoral frauds.

BLM is now siding with/supporting Hamas. Quite the reinforcement of their Marxist and anti-Semitic roots.

 

[strummingram]

BLM is now siding with/supporting Hamas. Quite the reinforcement of their Marxist and anti-Semitic roots.

Black people hate Jews??? That's a strange paradox since Karl Marx WAS Jewish!

 

[Heelicious]

Somebody on this thread made a good point about the delusion of thinking anyone from either pol party is looking out for the interests of voters.

I saw a related funny, astute tweet today by a guy I like named Zuby (@zubymusic on Twitter):

"The guys who think government / politicians care about them are the same guys who think strippers really like them".

 

[bluetoe]

I understand the need for some abortion restrictions after the second trimester. But why 6 week freaking weeks as it's now banned in Texas? A lot of women don't even know they're pregnant by then. It's essentially banning the practice.

please explain why not knowing you're pregnant justifies a delayed destruction of a human life. Why does what you aren't aware of somehow logically justify allowing a human to become more developed before it's destroyed? Is this about a woman's right to choose and that's it? How about a little consideration for the tiny human who is at the mercy of a female who is apparently too fvcking stupid to avoid pregnancy.

This isn't a rant against abortion, I'm just trying to find the logic in your viewpoint.

 

[tarheel0910]

Somebody on this thread made a good point about the delusion of thinking anyone from either pol party is looking out for the interests of voters.

I saw a related funny, astute tweet today by a guy I like named Zuby (@zubymusic on Twitter):

"The guys who think government / politicians care about them are the same guys who think strippers really like them".

Are you saying Candy and Natasha don't really like me?

 

[blazers]

I'd love to know how these stats would change if the election had gone the other way. This time last year all we heard from the left was about how the "Trump vaccine" was a rushed botch-job that was a desperate attempt to get re-elected. So I'm guessing the Republicans would be all-in on getting it, and the Democrats would keep to their messaging. Partisan hacks, all of them.

Trump politicized everything around covid, including the vaccine. Lefties worried about him 'rushing' because he meddled in public health too much.

Everything he touches breaks, so I think the worries were founded

FDA head Hahn did a decent job convincing me that they weren't rushing the process, and the general scientific community familiar w the process didn't disagree.

 

[blazers]

"Just take HCQ as a treatment or prevention measure for example. It clearly was proven to be very useful in treating , fighting COVID"

Link?

 

[chickenhunter]

You know the answer to this. The only black lives that matter to BLM are the ones taken by white cops when the black life resists arrest, attacks cops, is in middle of committing a violent crime...

do the 100s of other black, white, brown innocent people killed each year matter in the least to the BLM crowd? Don't be ridiculous. They never have, and never will. They aren't part of the narrative / agenda.

In Minneapolis, just in this last week alone, in three separate shooting incidents, three black children (one girl, two boys) all ten years old or younger, were killed by gunshot wounds - innocent victims of stray bullets from other black criminals, gang members. Riding home in a car from McDonalds, etc. Imagine the grief to parents / family.

Surely you all heard about this atrocity, right? No? The media and BLM are sickening gutless immoral frauds.

BLM is now siding with/supporting Hamas. Quite the reinforcement of their Marxist and anti-Semitic roots.

The kid that was killed was white. 4 years old. Bastard almost got the boys twin a little later.

Will anyone riot for the white kid?

 

[carolinablue34]

please explain why not knowing you're pregnant justifies a delayed destruction of a human life. Why does what you aren't aware of somehow logically justify allowing a human to become more developed before it's destroyed? Is this about a woman's right to choose and that's it? How about a little consideration for the tiny human who is at the mercy of a female who is apparently too fvcking stupid to avoid pregnancy.

This isn't a rant against abortion, I'm just trying to find the logic in your viewpoint.

I have never advocated that people don't have personal responsibility. My reasoning is this.

1) Circumstances. Many people become pregnant by accident without intending to and it's not due to negligence.

2) Only women carry the ability to lug around another life form for nine months. I can't imagine doing the same. To force them, without exception, without choice to have a baby is unethical.

3) Child care is costly and expensive. On a practical level, why force a woman without means or merit to take care of a baby when she receives little support in the first place that ends up costing the state and the country more in terms of social services? Another reason I'm in favor of child care tax credits but you get the idea.

4) These laws are designed to bring a challenge to the precedent set by Roe vs. Wade when the court has a conservative majority which has a greater chance of striking it down, which it now officially has. The state of Texas is being clever about it by not technically 'banning' it but essentially rendering it impossible to have one. Most abortions occurs in the first 13 weeks. Only about 1.4% of them occur after 21 weeks.

 

[bluetoe]

I have never advocated that people don't have personal responsibility. My reasoning is this.

1) Circumstances. Many people become pregnant by accident without intending to and it's not due to negligence.

2) Only women carry the ability to lug around another life form for nine months. I can't imagine doing the same. To force them, without exception, without choice to have a baby is unethical.

3) Child care is costly and expensive. On a practical level, why force a woman without means or merit to take care of a baby when she receives little support in the first place that ends up costing the state and the country more in terms of social services? Another reason I'm in favor of child care tax credits but you get the idea.

4) These laws are designed to bring a challenge to the precedent set by Roe vs. Wade when the court has a conservative majority which has a greater chance of striking it down, which it now officially has. The state of Texas is being clever about it by not technically 'banning' it but essentially rendering it impossible to have one. Most abortions occurs in the first 13 weeks. Only about 1.4% of them occur after 21 weeks.

that's a lot of words spent not answering a question. I don't care about an answer at this point, but maybe you could try again to at least understand the question. Let me try to make it simpler.

If you agree that there is a point after which a baby should not be aborted, why would the mothers awareness (or lack thereof) of her pregnancy have any bearing on the determination of that point? If it shouldn't be aborted after X weeks, it shouldn't be aborted after X weeks...unless the mother wants it aborted, is what your reasoning seems to be.

So what you're really saying is let the mother, and, as you now explain, concerns for factors other than the right to life of the baby, determine when an abortion is appropriate. If you let the mother and those other factors determine when destroying a human life is appropriate, why not let people murder their children if they get tired of raising them? There are a lot of moms who would, and it would solve a lot of societal problems.

 

[bluetoe]

Are you saying Candy and Natasha don't really like me?

hell, your wife doesn't even like you and she gets a lot more of our money.