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Open Letter To Derryck Thornton & Chase Jeter

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Derryck, there is a rumor out there that you and/or Chase Jeter many be considering a transfer. I hope this is true because your situation has all the signs of being strikingly similar to Andre "Bail-Out" Dawkins. In case you don't know, K convinced Dawkins to enroll early because K had a big need for guard to come in to fill a vacuum......In other words enroll early to "bail' K out. The rest is history.

Andre Dawkins enrolled at Duke early and K abused him his entire career while at Duke. K even convinced Dawkins to redshirt for a year. Bottom line, K does not care about you.

Frank Jackson has already been designated the starter at point for Duke next year. Your brief time as a starter for Duke will officially end when Jackson sets foot on the Duke campus. If you stick around, you will be the second coming of Andre "Bail-Out" Dawkins. Think about it! You bailed K out last year by enrolling early and now you will get abused. You will not start over Frank Jackson. K has invested heavily in the one-n-done philosophy and since you look like a 4-year player you will be abused. Trust me son.

Oh my Chase. How much playing time do you think you are going to get with Amil "Shaq Jabbar" Jefferson returning and the imminent signing of Bolden out of Texas? Please don't let K convince you to redshirt. Just get the heck out of there!

You heard it here first! You will thank me for this.

K only thinks about himself. He does not care about either of you. Get out!
 
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Could not care less what happens to them and oh BTW neither does their Leader of Men. They are just movable interchangeable pieces on his board and nothing more. That is why LTCC leadsin transfers among all ACC schools... SO many of them over the last ten years.
 
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dadika13 said:
I'm sure Duke players are going to listen to open letters from UNC fans.
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They may have already made the decision to move on. I'm just supporting them.
keysersosay#1 said:
Could not care less what happens to them and oh BTW neither does their Leader of Men. They are just movable interchangeable pieces on his board and nothing more. That is why LTCC leadsin transfers among all ACC schools... SO many of them over the last ten years.
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So true......
 
already twitter buzz about Thornton transferring. I hope he knows he got suckered!
 
gunslingerdick said:
Transferring isn't enough. I hope after he leaves, Thornton or his family run K through the mud. That would be awesome.
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I'm still waiting for Suilamon's family to do it. The closest so far was Suliamon's mom saying " no one wants to break the Duke code". I think it's the fear that K has so much power he could ruin a kid's basketball future if he bad mouthed Duke.
 
Steat said:
I'm still waiting for Suilamon's family to do it. The closest so far was Suliamon's mom saying " no one wants to break the Duke code". I think it's the fear that K has so much power he could ruin a kid's basketball future if he bad mouthed Duke.
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That one may be a bit different based on how/why he left. He's still going to graduate from Duke and walk in May (a Maryland player...interesting, huh?). I think not exposing the details of what he may have done is a pretty good reason not to spill the beans on how K runs a program.
 
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That one may be a bit different based on how/why he left. He's still going to graduate from Duke and walk in May (a Maryland player...interesting, huh?). I think not exposing the details of what he may have done is a pretty good reason not to spill the beans on how K runs a program.
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Coach, is Suilamon really going to graduate from Duke this spring after attending Maryland for one year? Can you elaborate more on this?
 
That's what was mentioned on a recent story I watched on him, yes. He was on track to graduate at Duke through summer sessions last year. He did that and plans to actually walk at Duke with his class. He transferred as a graduate transfer, so he actually stayed at Duke months after being dismissed from the team.
 
Duke is transfer U. Coach K recruits over players year after year. Chappelle,Joey Beard, just to name a few that have transferred out from there.
 
smooth as butter said:
Duke is transfer U. Coach K recruits over players year after year. Chappelle,Joey Beard, just to name a few that have transferred out from there.
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McCaffery
Beard
Burgess
Thompson
Sweet
Boykin
Boateng
Chappelle
King
E. Williams
Czyz
Murphy
Gbinije
Suliamon

That's off the top of my head.
 
smooth as butter said:
Duke is transfer U. Coach K recruits over players year after year. Chappelle,Joey Beard, just to name a few that have transferred out from there.
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Ohio State might deserve the title of "Transfer U" this year. 4 out of 5 players from their freshman class are transferring or have transferred (Austin Grandstaff only made it to December).
 
I was told by a State dad that the Martin twins are transferring. Anybody heard that? Also Abu said he would leave if he could go in 1st round which seems as likely as me going in the 2nd.
 
Plus: Nobody here expects the puke players to have the common sense to listen to UNC fans OR the b*lls to act on the advice!
If these two can't read the writiing on the walls, they probably shouldn't have qualified to get into puke!
 
Isn't that how the real world works? Get the job done or somebody else will. It's as simple as that.
 
TRU CANE said:
Isn't that how the real world works? Get the job done or somebody else will. It's as simple as that.
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Good point, but you are overlooking something. I doubt K told Thornton and his parents this when he walked into their living room convincing Thornton to come to Duke to bail K out. You can see the difference between Roy and K with this example. K got a kid to reclassify to help him for a year, knowing he was recruiting over him with Frank Jackson. Thornton, an impressionable kid, had to accept the offer or not have the offer on the table this year. So now if he transfers, he has to sit out a year and he wasted a year of eligibility at Duke. I can't ever see Roy doing this to a kid. If anything, we as fans get on Roy at times for how loyal he is to his players, particularly upperclassmen who should not be starting over more talented younger players. Just illustrates the difference in being self-serving and actually caring about the guys you recruit. K only cares about his legacy. K did the same thing to Andre "Bail-Out" Dawkins. Andre's case was really sad because the kid left with mental problems, which IMO was caused in part by the way K treated him. Then you have Obi the transfer from Rice. That's another situation that will not end well. I'll stop now. I'm breaking up.
 
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This is big time college basketball. You are there to produce. A coach should not have to tell you this. It's understood by every honest person at this level, coaches, players, parents and fans alike. Sink or swim. Fans sometimes pay hundreds even thousands of dollars to attend games. I'm glad K operates the way he does. So yeah you can have the Roy way to each his own. Some kids (Quinn Cook and Nolan Smith) had difficulties early on but stayed the course and it worked out. Others (Bobby Hurley, jay Williams, kyrie Irving, Tyus jones) performed immediately. Andre Dawkins sister was killed. I'm going to guess that probably had a lot more to do with anything than what K did to him. The kid has a national title for which he played a significant role helping the team to get and he has a degree from Duke, so I doubt he left Duke a broken man, and the victim of horrible abuse and treatment. But trust me I get it. It's a Carolina board, so you have to keep it tailored toward a certain narrative and you've done an excellent job but I gotta challenge you atleast a little bit or it isn't any fun is it?
 
TRU CANE said:
This is big time college basketball. You are there to produce. A coach should not have to tell you this. It's understood by every honest person at this level, coaches, players, parents and fans alike. Sink or swim. Fans sometimes pay hundreds even thousands of dollars to attend games. I'm glad K operates the way he does. So yeah you can have the Roy way to each his own. Some kids (Quinn Cook and Nolan Smith) had difficulties early on but stayed the course and it worked out. Others (Bobby Hurley, jay Williams, kyrie Irving, Tyus jones) performed immediately. Andre Dawkins sister was killed. I'm going to guess that probably had a lot more to do with anything than what K did to him. The kid has a national title for which he played a significant role helping the team to get and he has a degree from Duke, so I doubt he left Duke a broken man, and the victim of horrible abuse and treatment. But trust me I get it. It's a Carolina board, so you have to keep it tailored toward a certain narrative and you've done an excellent job but I gotta challenge you atleast a little bit or it isn't any fun is it?
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Soooo, when they don't produce it is on the player and when they do produce it is because of the coach? Did K work magic on Ochafor, Jabari, Jones, Winslow, INgram but some how elected to not use that same magic on Dawkins, Jeter, Thorton? Kinda amazing actually how he works magic on top 10 recruits, guys that have big time talent in a way no other coach ever could? I mean sure, hey, why not, no other coach could have done what K did for those top 10 talents??? REALLY???

Cause I kinda think those same top talents would have produced no matter what program they played for and if they banded together in trio's would have elivated pretty much any program with any coach to a similiar level.

Remind me again how much AMAZING development actually occurs in freshmen? Frosh to soph season yeah but incoming freshmen are not really developed all that much, most of the development occurs in the off season between frosh & soph seasons.

Basically what you are telling us is that with K a kid has to come in already able to produce big time as a freshman or he is not worthy of being on the floor and deserves to be recruited over? Interesting....
 
dadika13 said:
Just not exactly sure why we're talking about Duke players during the week we are in the Final Four.
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You read and posted on a thread about duke players during the week we are in the final 4 so maybe you can answer your own question?
 
It's a message board. People should be able to discuss what they want basketball related?
 
TRU CANE said:
This is big time college basketball. You are there to produce. A coach should not have to tell you this. It's understood by every honest person at this level, coaches, players, parents and fans alike. Sink or swim. Fans sometimes pay hundreds even thousands of dollars to attend games. I'm glad K operates the way he does. So yeah you can have the Roy way to each his own. Some kids (Quinn Cook and Nolan Smith) had difficulties early on but stayed the course and it worked out. Others (Bobby Hurley, jay Williams, kyrie Irving, Tyus jones) performed immediately. Andre Dawkins sister was killed. I'm going to guess that probably had a lot more to do with anything than what K did to him. The kid has a national title for which he played a significant role helping the team to get and he has a degree from Duke, so I doubt he left Duke a broken man, and the victim of horrible abuse and treatment. But trust me I get it. It's a Carolina board, so you have to keep it tailored toward a certain narrative and you've done an excellent job but I gotta challenge you atleast a little bit or it isn't any fun is it?
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With that thinking, take student out of student athlete for Duke players. How long can kids be eligible to play college Basketball? 4 years? So if a 17, 18 year old kid doesn't produce right away, kick him to the curb? I thought the whole part of college basketball is to learn and improve your game? I guess I was wrong. I am so happy I am not a Dukie.
 
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Who said anything about kicking a kid to the curb? If you bring in a player that has more talent than the kid that's struggling? That's wrong? Nobody said kick the kid to the curb. Also I didn't give K the credit for kids playing well or poorly.

Listen let me make this simple and clear.

Some players produce right away because they are just built that way. Has very little to do with the coach other than he got them to come there. Some kids THINK they are built that way the coach may think they are too only to find out they are not when they play at the major college level. As a coach of you have the opportunity to bring in a more talented player you do it. Does it mean you give up on the first kid? No. It just means the first kid has to work harder and it may take longer. Thornton should stay. He may not start but he will play ALOT. like I said learn from guys like Cook and Nolan Smith.
 
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Who said anything about kicking a kid to the curb? If you bring in a player that has more talent than the kid that's struggling? That's wrong? Nobody said kick the kid to the curb. Also I didn't give K the credit for kids playing well or poorly.

Listen let me make this simple and clear.

Some players produce right away because they are just built that way. Has very little to do with the coach other than he got them to come there. Some kids THINK they are built that way the coach may think they are too only to find out they are not when they play at the major college level. As a coach of you have the opportunity to bring in a more talented player you do it. Does it mean you give up on the first kid? No. It just means the first kid has to work harder and it may take longer. Thornton should stay. He may not start but he will play ALOT. like I said learn from guys like Cook and Nolan Smith.
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Cane, Quinn Cook and Nolan Smith came in with their regular classes. Big difference. Thornton and "Bail-Out" Dawkins sacrificed their final year in high school to bail K out. K forced Alex "Can't Miss" Murphy to redshirt. Murphy redshirts and then transfers. Murphy was the first 5-star recruit ever to be redshirted. Now, everyone knows Thornton is not going to start next year. Frank Jackson is a stud! It would be one thing if Thornton would have joined Duke in his regular class, but K convinced him to come in one year early to in order to convince Ingram to sign-on.

Bottom line, something does not compute when you consider the list of Duke transfers as follows below. I may have missed some.There was one kid that transferred to a school out west a few years ago that I know is missing from the list.

The situation speaks for itself. Look at this list of Duke transfers. K also has a lot of redshirts.

McCaffery
Beard
Burgess
Thompson
Sweet
Boykin
Boateng
Chappelle
King
E. Williams
Czyz
Murphy
Gbinije
Suliamon
 
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FWIW, Dawkins re-classifying appears to have been initiated by the Dawkins family and not the Duke coaching staff. Re-classifying wasn't a common practice in 2009 like it is nowadays. Here's an except from The Virginian-Pilot:

"We were like, 'Well, they only have two guards now,'" said Dawkins' father, also named Andre. "I ran the question by him and asked him, 'If you could go now, would you want to?' And he thought about it and said yes. So we put in a call to the Duke coaches and they became excited about the possibility."

The decision became even easier when Dawkins found out he had all of his core credits required by the NCAA Clearinghouse. All he needed was to pass English 12.
 
dukedevilz said:
FWIW, Dawkins re-classifying appears to have been initiated by the Dawkins family and not the Duke coaching staff. Re-classifying wasn't a common practice in 2009 like it is nowadays. Here's an except from The Virginian-Pilot:

"We were like, 'Well, they only have two guards now,'" said Dawkins' father, also named Andre. "I ran the question by him and asked him, 'If you could go now, would you want to?' And he thought about it and said yes. So we put in a call to the Duke coaches and they became excited about the possibility."

The decision became even easier when Dawkins found out he had all of his core credits required by the NCAA Clearinghouse. All he needed was to pass English 12.
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You have not been posting that long. I wish I had access to the the several threads on this topic on this board several years ago. This article conflicts with some other articles out there at the time. Bottom line, K went after "Bail -Out" Dawkins real hard, plus K made is known in national circles that he needed a guard. Sort of like posting a job on Zip Recruiter that goes out to 1 million possible applicants. Get the drift?

I started a fan club for "Bail Out" Dawkins and was one of his biggest supporters. The kid left Duke with mental problems. I remember very vividly that K forced him to take the redshirt. No doubt that he was distraught because of his sister's death, but the extent of his mental problems go far beyond his sister's death. Sad stuff....
 
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