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Poll: UNC coaches and discussing politics

Are you okay with UNC coaches publicly discussing politics/their political views?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 60.0%
  • No

    Votes: 8 40.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
I'm fine with Roy doing this for the same reason I was fine with Kaepernick kneeling. I agreed with one, disagreed with the other (well, in the sense that I personally wouldn't do it), but they are adults who can do what they want and are open to criticism for those decisions by those who disagree and open to praise by those who agree.
 
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I've always thought Bobby Knight was an a-hole.
I agree, but I have to give him props for keeping it real and not try to hide who he is.

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I thought it was funny that he didn't try to backtrack when they told him one of the people had actually died. He just doubled down.
Yes, but as I was just reading it I thought his next line was going to be, "I hope they rest in peace." Confusing and ironic as it may have been, it would have suggested he has actual feelings which would piss so many more people off.
 
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Why does that make him a fraud?

I think the act he puts on of not even being willing to say "dammit" when he or a player royally screws the pooch in the sport he gets paid millions to coach doesn't jibe with casually tossing out a much worse word "bullshit" when discussing not only something he wasn't asked about, but also something that has nothing to do with his profession.
 
And wow. I'm going to be much more appreciative of the political discussions we have on this board after reading that thread on Radar.

We have people saying that Roy is "on the right side of history" because he said Trump tweets out bullshit.
We have people accusing others of being fascists, and then literally in the next sentence say that people that don't agree with them politically shouldn't follow the athletic programs.
We have people that think that winning a re-election bid makes you both the 43rd and 44th president.

I guess I should expect stupidity like that in political discussions given the quality of basketball discussions over there, but even so - that was a real eye opener.
 
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And wow. I'm going to be much more appreciative of the political discussions we have on this board after reading that thread on Radar.

We have people saying that Roy is "on the right side of history" because he said Trump tweets out bullshit.
We have people accusing others of being fascists, and then literally in the next sentence say that people that don't agree with them politically shouldn't follow the athletic programs.
We have people that think that winning a re-election bid makes you both the 43rd and 44th president.

I guess I should expect stupidity like that in political discussions given the quality of basketball discussions over there, but even so - that was a real eye opener.
I was about to post the same thing. I'm surprised that thread hasn't been locked up. Also, was anyone else surprised when they found out that G7 was a democrat? For some reason I always imagined that he was a republican.
 
I was about to post the same thing. I'm surprised that thread hasn't been locked up. Also, was anyone else surprised when they found out that G7 was a democrat? For some reason I always imagined that he was a republican.
No, I wasn't. Dean Smith was a democrat, so I'm sure Gary blindly votes democrat on everything because "that's how Dean did it."
 
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I think the act he puts on of not even being willing to say "dammit" when he or a player royally screws the pooch in the sport he gets paid millions to coach doesn't jibe with casually tossing out a much worse word "bullshit" when discussing not only something he wasn't asked about, but also something that has nothing to do with his profession.
Do you swear freely at work? Do you swear freely in your private life? If your respective answers are no and yes, then I guess you're a fraud too by your standard. What a ridiculous accusation.
 
Do you swear freely at work? Do you swear freely in your private life? If your respective answers are no and yes, then I guess you're a fraud too by your standard. What a ridiculous accusation.

No, I'm not, because I don't go around work saying stupid shit like "dadgummit" and "dickens" and trying to play myself off as holier than thou only to get caught with my pants down when a topic I get a little carried away with comes up.

His use of "bullshit" was certainly not in his private life, it was in a post game interview which is directly in his job description as things he's obligated to do as part of the job.
 
No, I'm not, because I don't go around work saying stupid shit like "dadgummit" and "dickens" and trying to play myself off as holier than thou only to get caught with my pants down when a topic I get a little carried away with comes up.

His use of "bullshit" was certainly not in his private life, it was in a post game interview which is directly in his job description as things he's obligated to do as part of the job.
I kinda get your argument but I can't fully buy it. Roy does say stuff like "I try to never swear" when he obviously does swear, both on the court and in press conferences sometimes. But I don't think that really makes him a "fraud."

In the South, we use words like dadgum and frickin in lieu of outright cussing, especially if we're in a setting where bad language would be inappropriate. I know this is a foreign concept up there :p
 
No, I'm not, because I don't go around work saying stupid shit like "dadgummit" and "dickens" and trying to play myself off as holier than thou only to get caught with my pants down when a topic I get a little carried away with comes up.
So Roy says "crap" and "dadgummit" and "frickin" because he feels like he's better than everyone else? Hahahaha. That's just straight up stupid, dude.
 
In the South, we use words like dadgum and frickin in lieu of outright cussing, especially if we're in a setting where bad language would be inappropriate. I know this is a foreign concept up there :p
Exactly. I started to type the same thing in my response but didn't want to create a distraction. Talking like this is absolutely part of the southern psyche, though.
 
In the South, we use words like dadgum and frickin in lieu of outright cussing, especially if we're in a setting where bad language would be inappropriate. I know this is a foreign concept up there :p

Yes this is my point. I was just pointing out that saying "We couldn't shoot the dadgummed ball" in post game interviews and "Trump tweets out bullshit" in post game interview **same setting!!!** doesn't make sense. Like you refuse to say "I coached like shit" or "we played like shit" because you think it makes you look more proper, but then are willing to say "Trump tweets out shit"?
 
Yes this is my point. I was just pointing out that saying "We couldn't shoot the dadgummed ball" in post game interviews and "Trump tweets out bullshit" in post game interview **same setting!!!** doesn't make sense. Like you refuse to say "I coached like shit" or "we played like shit" because you think it makes you look more proper, but then are willing to say "Trump tweets out shit"?
I think you're really over-analyzing the words themselves. I do think he tries to show a little more "decorum", at least in his mind. He's trying to exhibit what he feels is proper/acceptable language in those post-game PC's. You support Donald Trump, so you're probably going to be more sensitive to someone knocking him. And, please don't claim some kind of neutrality where Trump is concerned.
 
I think you're really over-analyzing the words themselves. I do think he tries to show a little more "decorum", at least in his mind. He's trying to exhibit what he feels is proper/acceptable language in those post-game PC's. You support Donald Trump, so you're probably going to be more sensitive to someone knocking him. And, please don't claim some kind of neutrality where Trump is concerned.

I agree with this. I'm certainly over analyzing it, that's for sure. I also think he tries to exhibit proper language. I just think he looks stupid when he goes through all the trouble of building the Proper Roy persona (sounding like a clown while he does it with all of his dadgummits) and then has it all unraveled by dropping a "bullshit" when talking about something that wasn't even his own timeout policy, or substitution patterns.

I realize this sounds like being sensitive to it because it was a Trump bash, but I did say I have no problem with him speaking out politically, and I assure you that if he had said something non-political like "Moonlight winning Best Picture is bullshit" I'd be calling his Proper Roy persona fraudulent as a result as well.
 
Not sure if HN deliberately analogized "conservative numnuts" to Muslims praying in response to SK in the same thread that SK revealed he was Muslim - but I must say I chuckled at it.

Interesting comment. Roy simply calls a spade a spade, and in fact, by leaving it at merely "bullshit" he took it easy on ol' prez. Meanwhile, the leader of the free world spews twitter diarrhea daily and these conservative numnuts fall to their knees in praise like a mosque full of Muslims paying homage to Allah.
 
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I agree with this. I'm certainly over analyzing it, that's for sure. I also think he tries to exhibit proper language. I just think he looks stupid when he goes through all the trouble of building the Proper Roy persona (sounding like a clown while he does it with all of his dadgummits) and then has it all unraveled by dropping a "bullshit" when talking about something that wasn't even his own timeout policy, or substitution patterns.

I realize this sounds like being sensitive to it because it was a Trump bash, but I did say I have no problem with him speaking out politically, and I assure you that if he had said something non-political like "Moonlight winning Best Picture is bullshit" I'd be calling his Proper Roy persona fraudulent as a result as well.
He's inconsistent, no doubt. What I take exception to is your description of him as a fraud. Roy isn't trying to deceive anyone or misrepresent himself. He's simply trying -- and sometimes failing -- to present himself in a professional manner.
 
He's inconsistent, no doubt. What I take exception to is your description of him as a fraud. Roy isn't trying to deceive anyone or misrepresent himself. He's simply trying -- and sometimes failing -- to present himself in a professional manner.

Fair enough. Maybe fraud is a bit strong. I feel like he aims to put out the "Aww shucks/dadgummit" persona. You seem to feel like he is just trying to be professional and it inadvertently comes off as "Aww shucks/dadgummit".

Looks like we agree that the "Gee golly I'd never say any swear word" reputation that Roy has is not a correct way to characterize him, we're just at odds over whether he strives for that reputation or not.
 
Yeah I don't think Roy is a fraud, he has said "shit" before on a huge stage following the National Championship loss to Cuse in 03 when he was still at Kansas. I think he said something worse than he usually does, but it doesn't mean he is a fraud.

Just for the sake of asking, if he said "the president tweets a lot of BS" or "a lot of bullcrap," would you have a problem with Roy saying it, even though it's not as harsh as actually saying "bullshit" and more in character with his "daggum"s?
 
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Just for the sake of asking, if he said "the president tweets a lot of BS" or "a lot of bullcrap," would you have a problem with Roy saying it, even though it's not as harsh as actually saying "bullshit" and more in character with his "daggum"s?

No problem at all in those scenarios. I feel like those would go right along with his persona. He could have even attacked Trump more, while using his normal language, "Trump is a complete ninkumpoop who never has the slightest idea what the dickens he's talking about and makes the country look like a dadgummed joke" and I would have been completely fine with it.

I had forgotten about his use of "shit" after the 2003 championship game.

*Also lets be clear here that I swear like a sailor, so I'm not trying to bash him for saying "shit" in and of itself.
 
Not gonna go back and quote it directly because I'm too lazy, but @Hark_The_Sound_2010 I disagree that Roy sounds like a "clown" by saying dagummit a lot. That's just how some Southerners talk (especially rural Southerners from poverty, which is what Roy is).

People said the same thing about Bobby Bowden. The "people" who said those things and mocked him -- playfully or not -- for saying "shucks" and "daggumit" are either just haters or they're northerners who don't realize that's how folks talk.

But not everyone would agree with that. Wolpfack fans think Roy is an uneducated hillbilly, the irony of which makes me chuckle.
 
No problem at all in those scenarios. I feel like those would go right along with his persona. He could have even attacked Trump more, while using his normal language, "Trump is a complete ninkumpoop who never has the slightest idea what the dickens he's talking about and makes the country look like a dadgummed joke" and I would have been completely fine with it.

I had forgotten about his use of "shit" after the 2003 championship game.

*Also lets be clear here that I swear like a sailor, so I'm not trying to bash him for saying "shit" in and of itself.
Ok, that's fair enough, just was curious.
 
BTW, y'all must never watch Roy's pressers. He dropped an F bomb during one last season and it was after a win.
I had forgotten that, but you're right. I watch them sometimes, but it's not something I go out of my way for. Generally when something exciting in them happens, I hear about it, but other than that, a lot of them are pretty much the same. Only exciting when Roy cusses or Theo shows up.
 
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