Portal Opens Monday, Expect Movement Around UNC
The transfer portal opens Monday and North Carolina's players and coaches have decisions to make
Portal Opens Monday, Expect Movement Around UNC
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Will any potential portal entry guys all of a sudden opt out for the season if their team is still playing or suck up and wait til the end?
I hate the state of the college game overall, and our position on it. We are close to becoming just a name from the past (like Indiana).
I liked what I saw of him close up last Tuesday.
But would you bet your coaching career on him being your starting center? Or would you try and talk him into accepting a backup role for his sophomore year?
Hubert and the new GM really have to hit a homerun with our portal class, and the starting center spot is crucial. I love Gwath's upside based on his size, length, and what appear to be solid ball skills. I'm not sure he's going to be ready to start on a blue blood next season.
Exactly….We need a 5 that has been coached up and ready to go….We don’t have a coach on this staff that can develop a Big Man….
It’s pretty clear this staff struggles to recruit a dominant big man and further struggles to develop what they have.
Chatter around about EC to the portal. Great googly moogily. TOTALLY UNVERIFIED but claims he want $2M. Claim also said Wilson would bail if he left.
Let's hope that was all from a fan with as much inside knowledge as I have -ZERO
Let's hope that was all from a fan with as much inside knowledge as I have -ZERO
Losing Cadeau basically sets us up to fail next season. We have zero point guards on the roster. We would have still needed to get him a backup PG from the portal. Now we'd have to get 2 point guards from the portal, and there is basically 0% chance either will be as talented as Cadeau.
And we've been warning yall for weeks that Wilson might decommit if we lose Cadeau.
And we've been warning yall for weeks that Wilson might decommit if we lose Cadeau.
No. He's a role player for a really good team, and a guy like him isn't going somewhere to play a role.
As I posted in another thread, Monday afternoon was way too soon for any info like that to get out. And no way his camp would ask for RJ money. They aren't that delusional.
Also, as of very late tonight, EC was not in the portal.
Also has noted before, I would be surprised if he's at UNC next season.
"Also has noted before, I would be surprised if he's at UNC next season"
Well, that sucks. You feeling that's an us or him decision?
Well, that sucks. You feeling that's an us or him decision?
I think there's a lot of stuff there and some of it is both ways. Let's see how this plays out, and hopefully I'll know more I can confidently add here.
“The Tar Heels trailed by at least 14 points in 12 different games, they played 11 Quad 1 games against teams that made the NCAA Tournament and led for just a total of 30:26 of 445 game minutes.”
That’s sad.
That’s sad.
2 million is the asking price….What is the going rate for a PG out of the portal…Has his play the last 2 years warrant 2 million…
If you have enough NIL I guess but I wouldn’t break the bank on EC….Now as far as EC goes he needs to get as much as he can now…His earning window for playing basketball is closing fast…
I would tell him test the market and see what is offered and then see if UNC wants to match it…Myself I would not offer him more than a million…
And the flip side of that is that recruiting for "upside" risks paying a lot for someone who is so-so this year and leaves next year, when his upside is realized.
I wonder if NIL contracts for kids with more than 1 year left (there are contracts, aren't there?) can be written with big penalties if you don't stick around.
The idea being that we offer big NIL for 2 years to a guy like Gwath, but if he leaves after a "developmental" season, he only gets a third of it. Or something like that.
I’ve said this from day one. “.Ok we’ll pay you x amount but if you leave then you get this percentage. If you underperform you get this percentage. If you excel here’s a bonus.”
You want to be treaded like pros then sign contracts that protect both sides. Sad but true.
How do you make this statement? I mean, I have no clue whatsoever what the going rate for a starting PG is. Where's the scale?
And see, here's the rub. No, his play certainly hasn't warranted a $2 million payout. But does that matter? If Hubert wants any chance at success next year, we need him. We need him, warts and all. And that really sticks in my craw. We're going to pay a guy - may not be Cadeau but if it ain't, it will be a less talented player that we will pay - and we have no idea how good they will be. But we have to do it because if we don't, another program will.
The system is broken and out of control.
Boom. That is the NIL game today.
And what an amazing trophy a coach can tout by telling future recruits how he was able to pry the point guard from the once premier program in all of college bball. And UNC comes across as stingy with "the checkbook".
Interesting. I would have to see what the replacement and the rest of the roster looked like before having an educated reaction.
I think wholesale changes were always the likelier outcome.
what happens if we lose a ton to the portal and hubcaps and the GM aren’t able to pull in big transfers to replace them?
some of you guys that were OK with giving hubert another year, does that change your thought process?
some of you guys that were OK with giving hubert another year, does that change your thought process?
Not so much the system but it’s more about Hubert….If EC is already out the door like many are saying this is something that has been in the works for weeks…
After this past year maybe a complete Roster turnover is needed…
It's coming, already been hashed out, union, contracts, collectively bargained, big conferences breaking away, salary caps based on revenue, etc., just need to finish the particulars.
There is no underperformance percentage in the pros though, a guarenteed or unguarenteed contract may be for more than 1 year, it may have some bonus performance clauses, and maybe outs for option years after each season for player or team or both. They get paid the amount for the year though even if released.
You'll get no argument out of me about Hubert's poor management of the basketball program. But c'mon man, these problems are far bigger than Carolina problems. The system is completely f*cked. We have kids who haven't proven sh*t auctioning themselves off to the highest bidder on an annual basis. For college sports. That's not a broken system?
What is the salary for a lower first round pick? 1.2 million, possibly, was last years salary. EC wants 2 million ??
I don’t disagree with you but this is what we have to deal with now…UNC either gets with the system or don’t invest in the program…Other programs are rolling right along….
dook
Bama
Auburn
Florida
Tennessee
Kentucky
Ole Miss. etc and more didn’t even mention UConn….
You get what I am saying….
Purdue is starting 5 kids that all committed to Purdue out of high school.
I'm not sure what the purpose of me making the above statement was. Maybe just to point out how jealous we all should be of the enormous sense of pride Boilermaker fans have knowing that. And maybe to harken back to the days when CBB was enjoyable. Let's say we get the best players money can buy in the portal and we go on to win the title next year. Yay? We're so proud of these guys who we just met? They really represented the program in the 5 months I was watching? I am filled with excitement and joy because this group of basketball players came together and won...with Carolina jerseys on!
It's a disaster. No other way to put it. So frankly, I'm not sure how much longer I can act like I care that we are drifting off into the abyss.
"Not so much the system but it’s more about Hubert….If EC is already out the door like many are saying this is something that has been in the works for weeks…"
This is so reminiscent of the Caleb Love situation before he left.
This is so reminiscent of the Caleb Love situation before he left.
I’m not sure I’d include Ole Miss, Beard could have taken our roster & kicked Ole Miss’ ass. Hubert could have taken their roster & struggled to make the tournament.
Speaking of Purdue if things don’t work out next year for Hubert and he is let go Matt Painter would be on the list of people I call 1st…’
Matt Painter's alma mater is Purdue and he played under Gene Keady. He's like Roy. He isn't leaving Purdue for another college job.
That's another reality that Hubert haters totally disregard. They believe that UNC can just pick anyone and they'll drop everything and come running to Chapel Hill.
It's interesting what people like Matt Painter and Kelvin Sampson have built. Those 2 guys in particular are the best CEOs of Fortune 500 companies on the sport right now.
It might be unrealistic to expect Hubert to have that kind of culture. It's an entirely different sport right now. I'm not sure it's realistic just to depend on "The Carolina Way" to get you through this generation. There is clearly a cultural shift that UNC is only partly participating in. They acknowledged certain aspects of UNC basketball that needed to evolve, but then Hubert said The Carolina Way will always be the core of UNC basketball. Not saying it's right or wrong, but usually when there is this dramatic of a shift, those who don't go all in get left behind and become irrelevant (Netflix vs Blockbuster as an example).
UNC by itself is probably not enough to get back to consistent championship-level basketball. And it isn't just UNC. Bill Self has made the S16 once in the last 6 tournament appearances (the title of course). Kentucky wasn't the same the last 4 years or so and went into a different direction.
It's early in this portal era, but of the traditional powers, it looks like Duke is in the best shape and ironically they hired a HC who was just as unqualified as Hubert was.
I'm probably more guilty for being more part of that crowd. Hypothetically, I think they could've gotten a better head coach than Hubert at the time Roy retired. The portal and NIL was still newer at the time and I think that was a better time to go in a different direction.
It obviously wasn't realistic. Roy was going to pick his guy and that's sometimes how these things work. Of course the book isn't finished on Hubert so we'll see what happens once all the excuses go away. But that was a better time to do something new if they wanted to. It's probably going to be harder now and will take making someone the highest paid coach in the sport, or something equally as drastic.
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