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I do think we have a solid shot at a natty this time around but we are going to lose a few games we shouldn't and I don't want folks coming apart at the hinges when we lose a game we are expected to win.

I usually agree with you but I am less worried on this score than you seem to be.

What an experienced team usually means is that you are more likely to win the close ones, and less likely to have fluke losses.

Half of our losses last season were by 7 points or less. I fully expect we'd win most of those this season. We'll have some close games, but we'll win most of them. We also had a couple end-of-game letdowns that I wouldn't expect to see from a more experienced team.

As for fluke losses, the only game I'd put in that category last season is the Pitt loss. Yes, the Butler loss and maybe the Iowa loss could be counted as fluke losses but those were actually quite good teams that maybe we didn't take seriously enough. I expect this year's team to have learned that lesson.

My main concern this season (with the usual caveats about injuries and such) is that we might get too cocky. We will start the season much better than most teams in the nation. But because we are this experienced team that isn't adding any super-talented freshmen, we have less room for improvement than some of the teams we will face down he stretch. For example, I expect us to slap down UMd in December. But if Turgeon fully integrates all his talent, that could go either way by March.

Ditto with Duke. We would kill them in January or early February, I'm sure. But now that we wait until late Feb before our first meeting, that gives their excellent frosh that much more time to turn the corner. I hate the new schedule that has us playing Duke for the first time as our 13th conference game. We play 18 conference games. Duke should be the 9th and 18th ACC games. That would have us playing Duke on Feb 1 this year. But instead we play them on Feb 17.
 
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Dunking isn't as easy as some think it is. I could dunk till I was about 35, but those days are long past, lol!

Layup is worth the same number of points. I'll be happy if they get it in the bucket and I expect it to happen more than last year for both.
 
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I don't have a problem with Kennedy. My beef is with JoEl. He tends to shy away from contact down low, choosing to shoot a fade away versus taking the ball strong to the hoop. He's a 67% FT shooter and needs to aggressively take the ball into the defenders and to the rack. His limited playing time requires that he attack the rim and don't worry about fouls. More often than not, he will draw the foul on the defender and not a charge. I'd much rather see him pick up a charge flattening a defender versus reaching out on a guard 25 feet from the basket.
 
Word is JB was the MVP of the first week of practice. Getting impossible to keep him out of the starting lineup which means we can move Marcus over to the 2, his more natural spot. Love it.
 
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I will be very interested in defense with 2 small guards-good defense will affect offense so Paige's jumper(the 3) should be less effective if he starts at the 2
 
I will be very interested in defense with 2 small guards-good defense will affect offense so Paige's jumper(the 3) should be less effective if he starts at the 2
Huh? He'll get more open looks in the flow of the offense, far less abuse on his body, and defenses doubling him will now be a dangerous idea with JB and JJ ready and able to light it up.
 
I will be very interested in defense with 2 small guards-good defense will affect offense so Paige's jumper(the 3) should be less effective if he starts at the 2

This makes no sense. Sorry, but anyone who knows the game knows this is not at all the way basketball works.

As gary said above, this is better for Marcus' 3 point game. He can play on the wing and have the offense fed through him without worrying about feeding others all the time. And who cares about smaller guards when we have the best front court in the country. We will matchup with anyone.
 
JB has a man's body so he plays bigger and Paige is an excellent defender. I see no issues with D from the backcourt. I worry about frontcourt fouls more than backcourt D. BTW: who has the big and quick enough backcourt to give us a real mismatch on D? puke and UK have just as small lead guards for example.
 
I think the only matchup problems that might occur from a Berry/Paige lineup is on the defensive end, if we face an opponent with big guards and frontcourt players that can shoot from outside drawing our bigs away from the basket.
 
JB has a man's body so he plays bigger and Paige is an excellent defender. I see no issues with D from the backcourt. I worry about frontcourt fouls more than backcourt D. BTW: who has the big and quick enough backcourt to give us a real mismatch on D? puke and UK have just as small lead guards for example.

So if Nickens starts for MD they go 6'3''/6'7'' between him and Trimble. If it's Suliamon then it's 6'3/6'5. That's a big backcourt. UVA also goes 6'4/6'5. Seldon is 6'5'' at Kansas. So there are some bigger backcourts out there from the top teams.

That said, I don't see any of these teams providing us with a mismatch. Marcus can guard any backcourt player in America and JB will easily matchup with a team's 2nd best guard.
 
So if Nickens starts for MD they go 6'3''/6'7'' between him and Trimble. If it's Suliamon then it's 6'3/6'5. That's a big backcourt. UVA also goes 6'4/6'5. Seldon is 6'5'' at Kansas. So there are some bigger backcourts out there from the top teams.

That said, I don't see any of these teams providing us with a mismatch. Marcus can guard any backcourt player in America and JB will easily matchup with a team's 2nd best guard.

I've never looked too much into mismatches. If people say we cant guard their big guards on their offensive end, their big guards will have a hard time guarding our "little" scatbacks on our offensive end. It really is a wash. Only place it helps with those big guards is rebounding the ball, and with our front line, our guards shouldn't have to rebound a whole lot anyway
 
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I will be very interested in defense with 2 small guards-good defense will affect offense so Paige's jumper(the 3) should be less effective if he starts at the 2
This literally got posted. Someone said someone playing the SG position instead of the PG would adversely affect their 3 point ability.

Wow.
 
JB is 6 feet tall but weighs 200 pounds! Paige and Britt are over 6 feet and very good defenders. None of the teams mentioned have 2 guards both bigger and quicker than ours so no mis-matches created! BTW: I hope Sulkymon starts, he is a cancer just waiting to spread and never shares the ball. The other thing I see is that Roy uses situational starters sometimes so if needed we have lengthy wings that can match up with MD's biggest backcourt: JJ, Theo, KW (6'4"), etc. I think UNC is flexible enough to match up with any team in the country.
 
JB is 6 feet tall but weighs 200 pounds! Paige and Britt are over 6 feet and very good defenders. None of the teams mentioned have 2 guards both bigger and quicker than ours so no mis-matches created! BTW: I hope Sulkymon starts, he is a cancer just waiting to spread and never shares the ball. The other thing I see is that Roy uses situational starters sometimes so if needed we have lengthy wings that can match up with MD's biggest backcourt: JJ, Theo, KW (6'4"), etc. I think UNC is flexible enough to match up with any team in the country.

Paige is 6'2 now and can jump out of the gym when healthy, so I don't worry so much about him defending bigger wings... the bigger challenge will be for the bigger wings keeping up with him, especially with teams not being able to double him anymore.
Nate, on the other hand, well... how much he has worked on his D may determine his PT this season.
 
It would seem to me that Roy's best avenue for winning over Lauri would be to hammer home the fact he'd be playing closer to home here at UNC . .

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Marcus does not [play effective man to man defense as a point guard -imagine playing a wing guard who is larger running thru screens..if you play tough man to man defense it will expend energy..as a 2 guard( on defense) against a scorer he may have problems..his offense is not my major concern early in the game-when UVa comes to town will Paige have play solid defense for 30 seconds?..I think so
 
Marcus does not [play effective man to man defense as a point guard -imagine playing a wing guard who is larger running thru screens..if you play tough man to man defense it will expend energy..as a 2 guard( on defense) against a scorer he may have problems..his offense is not my major concern early in the game-when UVa comes to town will Paige have play solid defense for 30 seconds?..I think so

My god. Just when I thought you couldn't post anything more dumb than your first post you go ahead and prove me wrong.

First, Marcus is one of the best perimeter defenders in the country. You saying he doesn't play effective man to man defense goes to show you either don't know UNC basketball or, more likely, you don't know basketball in general.

Second, Marcus is our workhorse. He's spent the past 3 seasons playing 30 seconds of defense on every possession while being our go to guy on offense. Oh and last year he did that with the most painful foot ailment you can have.

Please learn about the topic before you post something about it.
 
dadika 13 it seems there is somebody else to join my exclusive club....Marcus Paige scouting report- January 2015 by Rafael Uehara.. Mr Uehara has more to say than I do---.I will admit to forgetting Paige's foot problems still my point is Berry and Paige will not be the very best defensive..the good news is the players will play and we will watch
 
dadika 13 it seems there is somebody else to join my exclusive club....Marcus Paige scouting report- January 2015 by Rafael Uehara.. Mr Uehara has more to say than I do---.I will admit to forgetting Paige's foot problems still my point is Berry and Paige will not be the very best defensive..the good news is the players will play and we will watch
Those injuries are a pretty danged big thing to forget. At mid-season his feet were so bad he couldn't even come to a jump stop off a routine dribble, much less dig in on D.
Marcus healthy is a better-than-average on-ball defender at point and can hold his own with 2s by out-quicking them. Will he get posted or muscled occasionally by bigger guards? Of course. But that will be FAR from fatal in our help-D scheme. Nobody is gonna just bull-rush him to the rack (like some did to Nate last season), and he is an underrated leaper.
Joel B. is straight-up nasty on-ball and won't get muscled around by anyone. He has long arms and gets his hands on a lot of balls, and really improved over the season in the fundamentals of moving his feet and beating the dribbler to the spot.
There are trade-offs with any configuration, but guards win championships in college. I'll take a Berry/Paige back court all day long and twice on Sunday, Their offensive fire-power they bring and the ball movement with 2 PGs will be an offensive bonanza, and they'll hold their own on D.
 
Those injuries are a pretty danged big thing to forget. At mid-season his feet were so bad he couldn't even come to a jump stop off a routine dribble, much less dig in on D.
Marcus healthy is a better-than-average on-ball defender at point and can hold his own with 2s by out-quicking them. Will he get posted or muscled occasionally by bigger guards? Of course. But that will be FAR from fatal in our help-D scheme. Nobody is gonna just bull-rush him to the rack (like some did to Nate last season), and he is an underrated leaper.
Joel B. is straight-up nasty on-ball and won't get muscled around by anyone. He has long arms and gets his hands on a lot of balls, and really improved over the season in the fundamentals of moving his feet and beating the dribbler to the spot.
There are trade-offs with any configuration, but guards win championships in college. I'll take a Berry/Paige back court all day long and twice on Sunday, Their offensive fire-power they bring and the ball movement with 2 PGs will be an offensive bonanza, and they'll hold their own on D.
I think you're spot on Gary. Always enjoy your posts and usually concur. I LOVE our guards!
 
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Dunking isn't as easy as some think it is. I could dunk till I was about 35, but those days are long past, lol!

Layup is worth the same number of points. I'll be happy if they get it in the bucket and I expect it to happen more than last year for both.

Yep, I typically don't care either BUT I've seen these guys miss a layup and tip the damn ball 2-3 times - all while missing...a dunk can't really be missed...not often at least.
 
If our bigs master jump hooks it's game over dudes! Add this shot to Meeks great footwork and boom baby! I hate the missed layups but I think in Meeks case it was adjusting to a smaller frame and a new type of game, and in JJ's case, simply lacking the touch developed from playing the game for a long time(+ some confidence). Paige and Berry are not good defenders? Why would anyone say this?
 
Thing about Paige some are missing is this game isn't just about physical skills. It's very mental as well. Paige seems to get a sense of control as pg, sees the court better, sometimes a little slow to take over (hence the 2nd half performances) but being in that position allows him to shine and take over a game. I just don't know if he can do the same at sg. Roy's been pushing that, trying that but let's face it, Paige wasn't the same. So you have to think about the loss of Paige as a near miracle-maker, 2nd half performer balanced against whatever improvements come from Berry and the team having the best 5 basketball players out there. If Paige can adjust, great. But the idea that the 2 is his natural position is just incorrect. He's a scoring and shooting pg. That's his natural position and likely always will be.
 
Thing about Paige some are missing is this game isn't just about physical skills. It's very mental as well. Paige seems to get a sense of control as pg, sees the court better, sometimes a little slow to take over (hence the 2nd half performances) but being in that position allows him to shine and take over a game. I just don't know if he can do the same at sg. Roy's been pushing that, trying that but let's face it, Paige wasn't the same. So you have to think about the loss of Paige as a near miracle-maker, 2nd half performer balanced against whatever improvements come from Berry and the team having the best 5 basketball players out there. If Paige can adjust, great. But the idea that the 2 is his natural position is just incorrect. He's a scoring and shooting pg. That's his natural position and likely always will be.

I strongly disagree, Paige wasn't the same because he was hurt,

Paige will be a NBA PG but in the college game he is a better 2 guard than point, he needs to be free to run thru screens and get solid looks, he can't do that when he is trying to position guys and get them in the right sets. Want to talk scoring PGs, look at lawson or Ray and by the way, neither lawson nor Ray had other PGs on the floor with them, Marcus pretty much has for each of his 3 years. In his freshman season, I begged for Roy to start PJ at the 2 and either paige or Dexter at the point, never happened. Britt was more the point when the next season rolled in and last season it was Britt early and Joel late. Not dumping on Marcus, he has played for long stretches as lead PG for us but he has other PGs on the floor with him.
 
Rafael Uehara is the managing editor of 'The Basketball Post' and an International Scout and Correspondent for NetScouts Basketball.

UNC & Me please qualify this guy as an expert as he is blowing his own horn, he manages the business and frankly his interest is more "international" basketball rather than US basketball. In fact, he is SO well known in journalism, I've never seen his name before your post!
 
Thing about Paige some are missing is this game isn't just about physical skills. It's very mental as well. Paige seems to get a sense of control as pg, sees the court better, sometimes a little slow to take over (hence the 2nd half performances) but being in that position allows him to shine and take over a game. I just don't know if he can do the same at sg. Roy's been pushing that, trying that but let's face it, Paige wasn't the same. So you have to think about the loss of Paige as a near miracle-maker, 2nd half performer balanced against whatever improvements come from Berry and the team having the best 5 basketball players out there. If Paige can adjust, great. But the idea that the 2 is his natural position is just incorrect. He's a scoring and shooting pg. That's his natural position and likely always will be.
Paige is a scorer in a PG's body. He was in HS. Because of Butter's early exit he had to get a crash course on the fly of how to be a PG in this system, and by his soph season he was doing pretty well as a "Lead" Guard.
That being said, his scoring last season dropped off (or as you put it, he "wasn't the same") for two reasons:
1. his injuries, and
2. defenses made him pay a physical price (which caused some of #1) for having the ball in his hands so much as the only legit guard in the floor.
Marcus is a pretty good --- not great --- PG. He is, however, a terrific and gifted scorer. Playing along side the team's best PG who knows how to get people the rock when and where it needs to get there will do nothing but benefit him. Better looks, more freedom of movement, less abuse, and he can still isolate when called for.
He will do just fine --- I would predict, thrive --- at the 2.
If you want to see this team (and that's the key word: team) be all it can be, that is not optional.
 
gary, it is as if our fans have forgotten our roster. Numbers of options as to lineups, most favorable. Mr. Basketball Florida a couple of years ago suits me just fine at point. As does the "tough little nut" at the 2. And he is healthy.
 
gary, it is as if our fans have forgotten our roster. Numbers of options as to lineups, most favorable. Mr. Basketball Florida a couple of years ago suits me just fine at point. As does the "tough little nut" at the 2. And he is healthy.
Yeah... and some who work at this site as well, from what I read on the front page last week :rolleyes:.
This is simultaneously a no-brainer and the single most vital decision Roy will make all season... for both obvious and not-so-obvious reasons.. Not trying to sound cryptic or dramatic but there is simply no way to overstate that.
 
Roy is playing 2 PG's nobody is a SG and both Paige and Berry are comfortable off the ball.
 
Roy is playing 2 PG's nobody is a SG and both Paige and Berry are comfortable off the ball.
There are many advantages, particularly in the college game, to that scenario. What you said is true. Although JB would be the default PG in most normal situations he can play off-ball as well. Roy will also have the luxury of calling isolation plays late in shot-clocks or halves where either can take the helm. Helping on whoever has the ball and sloughing off of his running mate (or Jackson) would be quite dangerous to the defense (and makes me cop an evil grin just thinking about it).
 
About the only guard we have who can't play the point is Williams! What a luxury we have.
 
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