Preseason Rankings: AP vs Pomeroy

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Just for fun, I thought I'd post this comparison before the season begins. Might be good for a laugh later on.

It's my understanding that Pomeroy integrates subjective measures into his algorithm-based ratings early in the season. I imagine the portal was a big factor. After some number of games the subjective bits go away and it's all algorithm. Or something like that.

Rank	AP	Pomeroy
01	Kansas	Houston
02	Alabama	Duke
03	UConn	Auburn
04	Houston	Alabama
05	Iowa St	UConn
06	Gonzaga	Kansas
07	Duke	Iowa St
08	Baylor	Arizona
09	UNC	Gonzaga
10	Arizona	Purdue
11	Auburn	Baylor
12	Tennessee	Creighton
13	Texas A&M	Tennessee
14	Purdue	UNC
15	Creighton	Texas Tech
16	Arkansas	Texas A&M
17	Indiana	Cincinnati
18	Marquette	Texas
19	Texas	St John's
20	Cincinnati	Villanova
21	Florida	BYU
22	UCLA	Marquette
23	Kentucky	Illinois
24	Mississippi	Clemson
25	Rutgers	Arkansas
26*	Illinois	UCLA
27*	St John's	Dayton
28*	Xavier	Florida
29*	Texas Tech	Oregon
30*	Wake Forest	Xavier

*The 26-30 teams for AP are the top "others receiving votes" in order.

 

[gary-7]

Insert eye-rolling at the mention of pomeroy, especially before a shot has been taken...

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Insert eye-rolling at the mention of pomeroy, especially before a shot has been taken...

As if everybody doesn't know your position.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Pre-season polls mean very little to me, but it does mean peeps have respect for the Heels and it might look good to recruits!

 

[gary-7]

As if everybody doesn't know your position.

...which happens to be the logical one.

 

[2DDIMOND]

As if everybody doesn't know your position.

SMH! His position is a ton better than yours. At least he has some inside information & can break down a game instead of starting meaningless thread after thread.

 

[2DDIMOND]

As if everybody doesn't know your position.

Or yours? To start a new thread about playing time or some other useless topic to elicit responses.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

...which happens to be the logical one.

You are a great source of information to many of us here. I've just never understood your need to belittle other sources of information.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Or yours? To start a new thread about playing time or some other useless topic to elicit responses.

I'm doing the work and sharing information with others.

It takes no work to belittle others.

I'd rather be like me.

 

[gary-7]

You are a great source of information to many of us here. I've just never understood your need to belittle other sources of information.

Look, I'm not attacking you, I am (quite properly) calling out an "analytics" site that is "analyzing" something that hasn't happened yet.
These things are not in a vacuum. For example, that jackass Katz is already spouting off as to how the ACC is supposedly once again "down".
Seriously?
Again, the first shot hasn't been taken and invented narratives are already out there, and this junk affects ACC tourney bids and seeding (and thus, recruiting), whether or not some want to admit it.

PLUS... if you want to get to the nitty-gritty of the math, using arbutrary assumptions as baselines invariably skews the numbers.
pomeroy is what it is --- it ain't all that --- but should least wait for actual games to set their statistical baselines.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Katz is lazy and a compete putz!

He wouldn't know a story if it walked up and smacked him in the face! I have never understood why someone with so little actual journalistic integrity can rise so far. He simply makes things up or gloms onto someone else's ideas!

 

[dtodd4475]

I'm of the opinion that all pre season rankings aren't worth much. It's fun to think of the outlook for teams coming in to a season, but to rank them before a meaningful game has been played isn't much to me.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Look, I'm not attacking you, I am (quite properly) calling out an "analytics" site that is "analyzing" something that hasn't happened yet.
These things are not in a vacuum. For example, that jackass Katz is already spouting off as to how the ACC is supposedly once again "down".
Seriously?
Again, the first shot hasn't been taken and invented narratives are already out there, and this junk affects ACC tourney bids and seeding (and thus, recruiting), whether or not some want to admit it.

PLUS... if you want to get to the nitty-gritty of the math, using arbutrary assumptions as baselines invariably skews the numbers.
pomeroy is what it is --- it ain't all that --- but should least wait for actual games to set their statistical baselines.

My understanding from something I read on his site years back is that his preseason rankings used to be based mainly on his ratings of returning players, coach ratings, and school tradition. In an era when players weren't moving around very much, that sounds like a pretty good foundation.

Obviously it's lacking in accounting for new recruiting classes, and I can't remember if he had some way of incorporating those data. And, of course, the portal era means tracking all those extra moves.

Seems to me Pomeroy's approach is a pretty smart way of looking at it. For those of us without your skills, it gives us a leg up on the coming season while we wait for the actual games, and for folks like you to weigh in.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I'm of the opinion that all pre season rankings aren't worth much. It's fun to think of the outlook for teams coming in to a season, but to rank them before a meaningful game has been played isn't much to me.

It's not so much the precise rankings - which, if you want to be a stickler, you could argue are always crap until the season ends - as it is the relative positions of the teams.

Who here doesn't check the major polls? If you never do, great, that's your choice. But I'd bet most of us do.

Do we check them to know what's "true"? Of course not. We check them because they give us info about teams, including teams we don't follow closely. Plus, let's face it, we also check them to see how we're doing - since we're almost always in those polls.

It's something to look forward to. It's fuel for discussion. It's fun.

What I like about Pomeroy's rankings is that he gives us that info and that fun for all the teams, not just those in the big polls.

And, of course, he's darn good at what he does. Which probably explains why sports journalists seem to be referencing him on a regular basis. Who am I to argue?

 

[dtodd4475]

It's not so much the precise rankings - which, if you want to be a stickler, you could argue are always crap until the season ends - as it is the relative positions of the teams.

Who here doesn't check the major polls? If you never do, great, that's your choice. But I'd bet most of us do.

Do we check them to know what's "true"? Of course not. We check them because they give us info about teams, including teams we don't follow closely. Plus, let's face it, we also check them to see how we're doing - since we're almost always in those polls.

It's something to look forward to. It's fuel for discussion. It's fun.

What I like about Pomeroy's rankings is that he gives us that info and that fun for all the teams, not just those in the big polls.

And, of course, he's darn good at what he does. Which probably explains why sports journalists seem to be referencing him on a regular basis. Who am I to argue?

I keep up with the NET standings during the season, since that is what the committee uses. As a kid, I paid attention to AP or coaches polls, nowadays it always surprises me when people get a reaction from those polls one way or the other.