Quick stuff (Elon game)...

[DSouthr]

With all due respect, that's just silly.

There are 5 guys on 2 teams on the court called players, there are some guys on the sidelines that do a lot of screaming, we call them coaches. Coaches still control which of his team members are on the court. The basket is still 10 feet high, we have these guys with whistles that still enforce violations of the rules. The coachers still want their players to play the way they want them to and the players still want to play the way they want to if the coach allows them to. I don't believe the point of the game being score more points than the other team has changed at all.

The game has not changed, the way players and coaches go about it has changed. Back in the OLDEN days if you didn't play hard for every possession, if you didn't do what your coach told you to do, if you ignored a set play your coach called, if you were consistently throwing up bad shots, if you were not passing to open team mates, if consistently played more as an individual than as a team member, your ass got parked on the bench and it stayed there until you changed or left the team and to the coaches it really didn't matter which of those options you took. Yeah, that has changed, now coaches seem to willing to coddle their players rather than demand the play as they are taught. Say what you want about Bobby Knight, who to me was a great coach, ignore him when he tells you to run a set play and guess what happens at the next dead ball... Even thou Dean was not as in your face as Bobby was, when Dean sent in a set play, you ran that set play or there would be a guy getting up and running to the scores table to come in for you on the next dead ball.

The game has not changed, people have...

 

[HoopsCoach42]

He's doing fine. But he certainly has a way to go before he's ready for the NBA. Which is a relief, since that presumably means we'll still have him after Armando and Brady (and maybe Leaky) are gone. Not to mention Caleb.

Although Dawson has been good, he - like some others - is inconsistent. It doesn't help that our expectations were so high for him. After all, he killed us on our own court in the Marquette game. But that was probably his best game of the season, so we couldn't really expect that all the time.

I look forward to seeing him grow this season. I want him to get even better, but I hope he doesn't get so good that he leaves.

It's amusing to compare Dawson's scoring with RJ's. They have taken the exact same number of 2-pt shots (52) and have hit the exact same number (24), as well. Doesn't mean anything, but caught my eye.

They are very close on 3-pt shooting, too - percentagewise - although RJ has taken nearly twice the number of deep shots (39 vs 20). With their shooting percentages (RJ = .487, Dawson = .500), they can both let loose whenever they want to (within reason), as far as I'm concerned. Both good from the FT line - where Dawson hits a fine .774 while RJ leads the team at .870.

Yeah. I know he's doing fine. He just always seems like the one that breaks down the Secondary sets. He's playing great, and I'm glad he's a Tar Heel. Once he can finally figure out the nuances of those Secondary sets, he'll be that much more dangerous.

 

[HoopsCoach42]

I see a LOT of consistency on this team!

1) When the ball goes inside to Bacot, no matter if he has a good shot or not, he consistently puts it up anyway, he consistently does not kick it back out. Isn't the kick it back out and re=post still a thing in this sport?

2) Our guards are driving and they are consistently looking to finish as their first, second, and sometimes 3rd option. Our guards are consistently not playing a draw and dish to a big man for the flush no matter how many defenders are in their path.

3) Leaky Black is consistently our best defender, a title Kerwin is consistently not looking to take from Leaky.

4) Manek very consistently does not seem to realize that every time the ball touches his hands he is not supposed to shoot it. His shot selection has been rock solid consistent but not in a good way.

5) PLaying down to lesser teams, the very definition of consistent.

6) Hubert telling us in his post game how proud he is of how the guys played is as well consistent. Now Hubert is my guy but I don't want to hear how proud he is of a guard that committed 4 TOs in the game. IN doing so you are telling me that you endorse play that occurs outside of what you are teaching them.

7) VERY consistently we see a lack of UNC primary and secondary breaks, big men not filling the lanes properly, guards not kicking the ball ahead, very consistent in this area.

8) Team defense is consistently inconsistent, as is our effort level that peaks and wanes during games.

9) Garcia, consistently plays like he is a wing no matter if Bacot or Manek are on the floor with him? At 6'11" wouldn't you think he would be looking to work on and integrate both front court finishing as well as jump shooting?

10) I am consistently NOT seeing oops passing to big men cutting from the short corner that used to be staples of UNC offense.

I am going to cut this to just 10 areas of consistency I see along with my hope for less consistency in these areas...

I watched Baylor beat Villinova yesterday in so I watched a Baylor team put on a clinic for anyone interested in a team playing defense. Villinova had less than 30pts with less than 3mins left in the game, 40 min game and in a little over 37mins held a top 10 team to less than 30Pts? Baylor had 5 guys on the court at all times that played frantic aggressive smart defense! Hint for Hubert, spend some time going to a defensive clinic that features Drew and how he teaches his team to defend.

The lack of primary break befuddles me. I'm not sure if HD is just not a fan, or if he just doesn't trust the decision making. He seems to be perfectly content on walking it up and getting into a set.

 

[Archer2]

Unfortunately, I have to agree with what you said about our “consistent play” to date, David. We have improved in some areas, but there is much more improvement needed if we’re to legitimately contend for anything. Still way too much “me” ball and not enough “we” ball going on.

 

[gary-7]

Yeah. I know he's doing fine. He just always seems like the one that breaks down the Secondary sets. He's playing great, and I'm glad he's a Tar Heel. Once he can finally figure out the nuances of those Secondary sets, he'll be that much more dangerous.

Honestly, I wouldn't qualify your take. What you pointed out was spot on. Dawson is doing some good things, but he is not running the floor consistently the way it is taught, and he needs to work harder on his post game and not being a black hole.

 

[Pusha_D]

With all due respect, that's just silly.

Things change, as fans we can't get mad cause we don't see the secondary break every time down the court. Or the run and jump defense from time to time. It's a new coaching staff, and they got to find their own way and we can critique them without bringing up the past. We all love Dean and Roy. But carry on, with holding on to yester year.

 

[gary-7]

Things change, as fans we can't get mad cause we don't see the secondary break every time down the court. Or the run and jump defense from time to time. It's a new coaching staff, and they got to find their own way and we can critique them without bringing up the past. We all love Dean and Roy. But carry on, with holding on to yester year.

Again, with all due respect, that is just a shortcut, not to mention inaccurate. It has zero to do with "yesterday". It is about sound basketball principles that won't be any less sound as long as the game is played on a 94 foot court with 10 foot hoops. Team ball is superior to iso-hall. Inside-out is superior to surround-ball, attacking a defense in transition is superior to waiting for the defense to be set, multiple defense is superior to only one, and basketball is still about geometry.

 

[TarHeelMark]

Dynamite drop-in there, chachi

 

[King Coach]

Again, with all due respect, that is just a shortcut, not to mention inaccurate. It has zero to do with "yesterday". It is about sound basketball principles that won't be any less sound as long as the game is played on a 94 foot court with 10 foot hoops. Team ball is superior to iso-hall. Inside-out is superior to surround-ball, attacking a defense in transition is superior to waiting for the defense to be set, multiple defense is superior to only one, and basketball is still about geometry.

Damn Gary……the geometry statement gave me a flashback to what my middle school coach told me one day in practice…he said “son basketball is all about angles”….. was true then and still true today.

 

[Pusha_D]

Again, with all due respect, that is just a shortcut, not to mention inaccurate. It has zero to do with "yesterday". It is about sound basketball principles that won't be any less sound as long as the game is played on a 94 foot court with 10 foot hoops. Team ball is superior to iso-hall. Inside-out is superior to surround-ball, attacking a defense in transition is superior to waiting for the defense to be set, multiple defense is superior to only one, and basketball is still about geometry.

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm not talking about basketball prinicples. I'm talking about style/play calling. I'm saying comparing todays' coaching style to the old style because it something different from the past is wrong. We are looking for the tradintional secondary break or the traditional style cause we are use to it. We have to move past that. If not we sound like our old parents talking about our music or hair styles lol

 

[Tarheel75]

With all due respect, that's just silly.

Agreed.

Some aspects of the game and how to play it are absolutely timeless. DES was an instrumental innovator whose influence is used by many, many coaches to this very day.
Those innovations are what has made "Carolina Basketball" what it was, has been, and must continue to be. Roy used his own tweaks, and Hubert will use some as well, but at the foundation, it's DES's creation that will always be the driving force for "Carolina Basketball" as long as Carolina continues to draw its coaches from the Carolina coaching tree.

 

[Tarheel75]

Never mind, I have a tendency to get really pissy about certain subjects.

 

[gary-7]

Agreed.

Some aspects of the game and how to play it are absolutely timeless. DES was an instrumental innovator whose influence is used by many, many coaches to this very day.
Those innovations are what has made "Carolina Basketball" what it was, has been, and must continue to be. Roy used his own tweaks, and Hubert will use some as well, but at the foundation, it's DES's creation that will always be the driving force for "Carolina Basketball" as long as Carolina continues to draw its coaches from the Carolina coaching tree.

Can I get an "amen"? Spot on, brother.

 

[gary-7]

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm not talking about basketball prinicples. I'm talking about style/play calling. I'm saying comparing todays' coaching style to the old style because it something different from the past is wrong. We are looking for the tradintional secondary break or the traditional style cause we are use to it. We have to move past that. If not we sound like our old parents talking about our music or hair styles lol

Well, let's get real now. Advocating the "traditional secondary break" sure as hell ain't some sort of "get off my lawn" mantra, my friend. Look around. Mark Few ain't the only one out there outside of the family using it.

It has gone from perhaps Dean's greatest invention and innovation to a staple at contemporary coaching clinics, and it shows up in transition games at all levels, including some NBA teams. Thus, I make no apologies for saying that watching another team executing it better than we do causes me considerable pain, as it should for all UNC folks.

 

[dtodd4475]

There are 5 guys on 2 teams on the court called players, there are some guys on the sidelines that do a lot of screaming, we call them coaches. Coaches still control which of his team members are on the court. The basket is still 10 feet high, we have these guys with whistles that still enforce violations of the rules. The coachers still want their players to play the way they want them to and the players still want to play the way they want to if the coach allows them to. I don't believe the point of the game being score more points than the other team has changed at all.

The game has not changed, the way players and coaches go about it has changed. Back in the OLDEN days if you didn't play hard for every possession, if you didn't do what your coach told you to do, if you ignored a set play your coach called, if you were consistently throwing up bad shots, if you were not passing to open team mates, if consistently played more as an individual than as a team member, your ass got parked on the bench and it stayed there until you changed or left the team and to the coaches it really didn't matter which of those options you took. Yeah, that has changed, now coaches seem to willing to coddle their players rather than demand the play as they are taught. Say what you want about Bobby Knight, who to me was a great coach, ignore him when he tells you to run a set play and guess what happens at the next dead ball... Even thou Dean was not as in your face as Bobby was, when Dean sent in a set play, you ran that set play or there would be a guy getting up and running to the scores table to come in for you on the next dead ball.

The game has not changed, people have...

You keep and hammer home aspects that always apply. You also better adapt and evolve with the game. Adapt or die... the skill set is different today, the 3 ball percentage is vital per possession. Running to the line for a corner "holy grail" look in rhythm is a proven percentage play.

You don't throw away basics, you adapt them to modern rules.

Again

 

[heels05champs]

I see a LOT of consistency on this team!

1) When the ball goes inside to Bacot, no matter if he has a good shot or not, he consistently puts it up anyway, he consistently does not kick it back out. Isn't the kick it back out and re=post still a thing in this sport?

2) Our guards are driving and they are consistently looking to finish as their first, second, and sometimes 3rd option. Our guards are consistently not playing a draw and dish to a big man for the flush no matter how many defenders are in their path.

3) Leaky Black is consistently our best defender, a title Kerwin is consistently not looking to take from Leaky.

4) Manek very consistently does not seem to realize that every time the ball touches his hands he is not supposed to shoot it. His shot selection has been rock solid consistent but not in a good way.

5) PLaying down to lesser teams, the very definition of consistent.

6) Hubert telling us in his post game how proud he is of how the guys played is as well consistent. Now Hubert is my guy but I don't want to hear how proud he is of a guard that committed 4 TOs in the game. IN doing so you are telling me that you endorse play that occurs outside of what you are teaching them.

7) VERY consistently we see a lack of UNC primary and secondary breaks, big men not filling the lanes properly, guards not kicking the ball ahead, very consistent in this area.

8) Team defense is consistently inconsistent, as is our effort level that peaks and wanes during games.

9) Garcia, consistently plays like he is a wing no matter if Bacot or Manek are on the floor with him? At 6'11" wouldn't you think he would be looking to work on and integrate both front court finishing as well as jump shooting?

10) I am consistently NOT seeing oops passing to big men cutting from the short corner that used to be staples of UNC offense.

I am going to cut this to just 10 areas of consistency I see along with my hope for less consistency in these areas...

I watched Baylor beat Villinova yesterday in so I watched a Baylor team put on a clinic for anyone interested in a team playing defense. Villinova had less than 30pts with less than 3mins left in the game, 40 min game and in a little over 37mins held a top 10 team to less than 30Pts? Baylor had 5 guys on the court at all times that played frantic aggressive smart defense! Hint for Hubert, spend some time going to a defensive clinic that features Drew and how he teaches his team to defend.

Good list. One you forgot is that according to Hubert we have multiple starters that are likely first team all-ACC with a couple first team all-Americans mixed in. And also that Dunn and Styles will be two of the best players to ever play here even though they can’t get off the bench. The defense has been good, proud of their effort on defense. All according to Hubert.

 

[2DDIMOND]

Good list. One you forgot is that according to Hubert we have multiple starters that are likely first team all-ACC with a couple first team all-Americans mixed in. And also that Dunn and Styles will be two of the best players to ever play here even though they can’t get off the bench. The defense has been good, proud of their effort on defense. All according to Hubert.

I’m pretty sure (hopefully) Hubert has a better handle on it than I think he does, but if Styles doesn’t start getting some PT he’s going to be wearing a different uniform next year.

I’d wager that Dontrez is better than any player on Elon’s roster & he can’t get any run against them?

 

[IDUNK4HEELS]

David, you have had some great summaries and recaps in the past but this one is as good as you have ever put out. You pointed out so many things that I have wondered about and you nailed them right on the head. People may not want to read and see the truth but after 9 games you summed it up as well…

 

[dtodd4475]

I’m pretty sure (hopefully) Hubert has a better handle on it than I think he does, but if Styles doesn’t start getting some PT he’s going to be wearing a different uniform next year.

I’d wager that Dontrez is better than any player on Elon’s roster & he can’t get any run against them?

I would think it has nothing to do with the other teams roster, it has to do with ours. You may be very right that Styles chooses another place, but I also agree that you play those that earn the time. Different era, freshman want immediate time, so I do get your point.

 

[Archer2]

^^^^
Add the “Stargate” to the wish for instant gratification and you have a volatile roster situation every year. Same reason why I’d rather have a 4* that stays 3-4 years over a 5* OAD.

 

[gauchoheel]

UNC did pretty well with Jackie Manuel in that role, as a just let him shoot guy at the wing. With this years team prowess shooting from 3, moving the ball after a double in the post should get plenty of good looks.

Leaky has also been very efficient offensively, if he does not shoot the 3 after his guy doubles he can penetrate and kick, or draw foul where he is shooting 85% from the line.

We struggle when he is off the floor on the defensive end. I think his presence on the court has been understated to this point of the season if anything.

Fair enough. He's done a good job taking care of the ball for the most part (did have one bad turnover last game). I'd love to see more penetration from him (which Theo did) or even better perimeter defense. I don't think he's a bad player per se, but he has room for improvement in several areas. I do think he is important to this team given our lack of other perimeter defenders.

 

[King Coach]

I would think it has nothing to do with the other teams roster, it has to do with ours. You may be very right that Styles chooses another place, but I also agree that you play those that earn the time. Different era, freshman want immediate time, so I do get your point.

I do worry that Styles playing time will become a bigger issue as the season progresses. I think Hubert was honest with him about playing time coming in however…..as Leaky and Manek was always going to get the bulk of minutes at that position.

 

[King Coach]

I see a LOT of consistency on this team!

1) When the ball goes inside to Bacot, no matter if he has a good shot or not, he consistently puts it up anyway, he consistently does not kick it back out. Isn't the kick it back out and re=post still a thing in this sport?

2) Our guards are driving and they are consistently looking to finish as their first, second, and sometimes 3rd option. Our guards are consistently not playing a draw and dish to a big man for the flush no matter how many defenders are in their path.

3) Leaky Black is consistently our best defender, a title Kerwin is consistently not looking to take from Leaky.

4) Manek very consistently does not seem to realize that every time the ball touches his hands he is not supposed to shoot it. His shot selection has been rock solid consistent but not in a good way.

5) PLaying down to lesser teams, the very definition of consistent.

6) Hubert telling us in his post game how proud he is of how the guys played is as well consistent. Now Hubert is my guy but I don't want to hear how proud he is of a guard that committed 4 TOs in the game. IN doing so you are telling me that you endorse play that occurs outside of what you are teaching them.

7) VERY consistently we see a lack of UNC primary and secondary breaks, big men not filling the lanes properly, guards not kicking the ball ahead, very consistent in this area.

8) Team defense is consistently inconsistent, as is our effort level that peaks and wanes during games.

9) Garcia, consistently plays like he is a wing no matter if Bacot or Manek are on the floor with him? At 6'11" wouldn't you think he would be looking to work on and integrate both front court finishing as well as jump shooting?

10) I am consistently NOT seeing oops passing to big men cutting from the short corner that used to be staples of UNC offense.

I am going to cut this to just 10 areas of consistency I see along with my hope for less consistency in these areas...

I watched Baylor beat Villinova yesterday in so I watched a Baylor team put on a clinic for anyone interested in a team playing defense. Villinova had less than 30pts with less than 3mins left in the game, 40 min game and in a little over 37mins held a top 10 team to less than 30Pts? Baylor had 5 guys on the court at all times that played frantic aggressive smart defense! Hint for Hubert, spend some time going to a defensive clinic that features Drew and how he teaches his team to defend.

Good points but you should have added García under point 4 as well.

As for the guards….I think it’s time to stop lumping Love with RJ. Love is a much improved passer. And he is finishing around the rim more because he is driving to the basket and not shooting over a wall of defenders….in other words …..he knows when to drive to the basket….RJ is still trying to shoot over a wall of defenders.

Now for the drive and dish….