Quick stuff (UVA game)...
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UVA had a very poor shooting night. Our defensive effort was very good and contributed to it in a large way. That said, UVA did miss some wide open shots. It happens, same as it has for us at times. Sometimes the rock just doesn't fall for you.
I don't get crazy over the top mad and trash the team when opponents are hot and shoot well against us. Neither do I get over the top crazy high about how great we are when opponents shoot poorly.
What matters most to me is that our defensive effort was solid, and sustained. We did push UVA out farther away than they wanted to be a number of times. We did get help participation that cut off driving lanes. We did keep this effort up for the entire game. That would not have been any different even if UVA had been red-hot and made every shot they tossed up.
I don't get crazy over the top mad and trash the team when opponents are hot and shoot well against us. Neither do I get over the top crazy high about how great we are when opponents shoot poorly.
What matters most to me is that our defensive effort was solid, and sustained. We did push UVA out farther away than they wanted to be a number of times. We did get help participation that cut off driving lanes. We did keep this effort up for the entire game. That would not have been any different even if UVA had been red-hot and made every shot they tossed up.
Teams are concentrating on him and crowding him so I like the drives. What I don't like are the constant no-calls on them. But to your point, yeah, JB has a deadly mid-range game and he can create that shot any time he wants it. For example that would have been the better option than the drive/dish attempt to Meeks in close quarters at the end of the half.
Has any ACC PG gotten to the line IN ACC GAMES less than Berry? Maybe, but it would surprise me, especially if the PG was on a decent team. Berry is way down at #38 wrt FTs attempted. There are 22 ACC Guards with more attempts than Joel. Nonsense, that.
Meanwhile, dook has 3 of the top 15 wrt FT attempts. Shocker, right?
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It really is bad. I watch a lot of ACC hoops and I see PGs driving --- often not nearly as strongly as JB --- and theyre living at the line. Maybe he needs to learn to flail his arms and whip his head like a damned dookie.
Y'know we talked about him calling out the refs a bit a while back, and he mentioned it again in another interview last week --- not bringing up the subject but in response to reporters asking him specific questions about not getting to the line ---- and JB is not one to say much about stuff in general, much less risk getting in trouble, so Joel knows he's getting fouled (obviously) and he knows he's been getting jobbed.
As for the UVA game suffice to say I'm just glad it never got close.
I agree it's puzzling. I think part of it is that he's so strong that he doesn't get pushed off balance as much as many guards do when they're fouled aggressively. As a result, the contact seems less significant. If he were to flail around like some guys do, I think he'd draw a lot more fouls. Allen, in particular, looks like he's been shot with a 12 gauge shotgun with the slightest amount of contact. The LOM teaches his guys to "sell the foul" and they certainly do.
After his play the last few games Seventh no longer scares me. He looks in control and knows his role. I can't remember the last time he threw up a stupid shot. He looks to manage the team first and get JB a good breather.
I think that is part of it. JB doesn't give ground easily. I also, in this day and age, wonder if some refs have discussed Joel's comments about negating shot-blockers by getting into their bodies. Now that's nothing new, and he doesn't just jump into guys like say, Parentes did last night, but if he's being hit by a non-vertical defender a foul's a foul.I agree it's puzzling. I think part of it is that he's so strong that he doesn't get pushed off balance as much as many guards do when they're fouled aggressively. As a result, the contact seems less significant. If he were to flail around like some guys do, I think he'd draw a lot more fouls. Allen, in particular, looks like he's been shot with a 12 gauge shotgun with the slightest amount of contact. The LOM teaches his guys to "sell the foul" and they certainly do.
As I mentioned 7th had his best game at maintaining spacing and dribbling into no-man's land. The caveat going forward is that, like Nate in his freshman season, 7th is zero threat to score from beyond the arc right now, and thus everyone will pack in on him. At some point kid needs to hit a jumper.
That sure doesn't explain Kennedy going so little when we feed the post constantly. Going ONCE in the UVA game was a total joke.
Well, he's not shooting a whole lot worse than Nate is. Personally, I think 7th and Brandon should be getting more minutes and Nate less. And Nate's biggest asset, the ability to knock down clutch FT's, has deserted him.
the only relevant stat for this game is the score.
we took a va team that can be very tough and sent them home crying about the mean kids that wouldn't let them play.
we took a va team that can be very tough and sent them home crying about the mean kids that wouldn't let them play.
Couldn't agree more with this. Only 15 FT attempts for our entire team in the last two games is ludicrous.
I see that we're mostly discussing refs in a Top 15 game where we thoroughly dominated.
Oh, and Justin Jackson is still the biggest, baddest baller on this team. Love watching that dude play. He was taking it to the rack with purpose and authority.
Oh, and Justin Jackson is still the biggest, baddest baller on this team. Love watching that dude play. He was taking it to the rack with purpose and authority.
It's not negative. As much as I can't stand them,it's the truth. They seem to play out of their minds when they see that prettier shade of blue.
Nate earn his minutes on defense.
It's his offense game that makes me cringe. I just hopes he knocks down shots in march
...and he could've charged Jefferson rent at dook (or with sexual assault) the way he was draped on Kennedy pretty much the whole game.
Well, that's the best time, isn't it?... when no reactionary can accuse anyone of "blaming" a loss on the zebras. Plus it's a basketball board, and officiating is every bit as relevant as shooting, passing or defending.
True but when you set the tone on defense its wide open shots feel contested. When a defense establishes itself, there is a mentality that sets in for both teams and shots that you normally make look a lot harder
True but when you set the tone on defense its wide open shots feel contested. When a defense establishes itself, there is a mentality that sets in for both teams and shots that you normally make look a lot harder
Hey gary-7, long time reader, very rarely post. Thanks for your post game wrap ups. I look forward to reading them after every game.
Dude even trump thinks you might be pulling stuff outta left field here. Up by 17 with 8 min left and UVA hadn't scored in 4 minutes and they looked like they might climb back into it? Really?
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Did you listen to the halftime interview with Marcus and Brice? Brice clearly referenced last years team feeling they were "robbed" in the last game. Not just some of us fans saw it, guys in the game knew it .
I much prefer to talk about the refs in a game we win than one we lose because it is not making excuses for a loss and it drives the point that a game is not won or lost on a single play but for all the plays spread across the 40mins of the game played.
Beginning with the nonsense double foul and for the rest of the first half, the refs seemed to want to take a game we were about to blow open and tighten it up. Off of memory, Joel was fouled at least twice after that and no call yet Perrentes got the call on Joel for lesser contact?
I think what bugs me the most is it is assumed home teams get a bit more home cooking as many times the bigger name coach. You just are not going to see K coaching a game at Cameron get close calls go against him often. But it does not seem we get any home cooking, that close call pretty much always goes against us.
If we were a team that stood outside pumping jumpers for 40mins and didn't drive or work the ball inside, at times we have been that, you don't expect a lot of foul calls because the refs look more at the ball than off of it. But vs UVa we drove, we pounded it inside and still very little whistle. I think the worst I have seen was vs duke, Meeks nearly had his jersey ripped off by Jefferson as he was going up for a dunk directly in front of the ref and no call? In a earlier game Tony being knocked out and missing several games with a concussion and yet no foul was called, Tony was fouled 3 seperate times on that one play? Against UVa Meeks is cross checked, legal in hockey maybe and knocked to the ground and yet no call?
Now I don't know what Roy is doing about it but he should be constantly feeding the ACC commissioners office tape of this kind of nonsense and demanding it be cleaned up. I would like to see Roy appoint someone on his staff to review fouls both called and uncalled on both teams after every game, put together a video package and report and submit it to the ACC with in a few days after every game. At least, if not submitted it would point to any disparity that may be negatively effecting us or what other teams are doing to get more calls that we are lacking in. The players have to let it go, they can not let it effect them but the staff should take an aggressive stance and put the evidence together from film review. At least send the message that if you botch us up then the ACC commissioners office will know about it and you will have to explain it so you better think twice.
True, he is going to need to add some jump shooting to the mix if for no other reason than to get that extra step on his drives. But thing is the kid is so athletic that he can get by most primary defenders, where he gets in to the weeds is not reading the rotation help to kick or slip. He has improved that a ton this season, becoming much more pass first in his thinking and that has not been easy for him, he has always had to be a scorer for his team up till now.
Tighten up the handles a little bit and add some jump shooting and he is at the next level as a player. Kid can actually shoot but it is mostly by feel right now, easy to see he has never really been in a position that he had to really work on his jump shot, you can see that when he steps to the foul line.
This makes perfect sense to me.
It did seem the whole tenor of the play calling changed at that point.
I think this demonstrates a point I have been trying to make for a couple of years now. And that is that refs are calling hand checks outside, many of which have no effect on the play because no advantage was gained, yet allowing very physical play inside the paint. Bigs are routinely mugged with no call in the paint. Then the ref calls a touch foul 22 feet from the basket.
The refs must have been instructed to call games this way or it wouldn't be the rule rather than the exception. I think this needs to change. If you hand check and gain an advantage, by all means call it. And I like letting guys play inside but when guys are obviously fouled, call it.
I agree. And while I don't think officials are "out to get us", I firmly believe the general level of competency is quite low. The only way officiating will improve is by holding officials accountable. We have a new Supervisor of Officials this year and we need all coaches to get in his ear and demand more competent officiating.
His ability to take his man off the dribble far exceeds Nate's penetrating ability and he is taking much better care of the ball. He makes our offense more explosive.
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Ok, so I forgot about one tip-in we had before that, but other than that we'd gone in a cold spell missing 7 or 8 straight shots (although fortunately our defense was still nasty) and JB's 3 to break that drought put us up by 20 and the game was essentially over. Anything else inane or trivial you want to quibble about?
I hear ya Dave. I know Dean used to let the league office know (with film) if things were going too awry. Occasionally it worked (he did finally got them to tell Wirtz, et al to stop calling MJ for walking on his explosive first step that was actually legal), but not always by any means.
Who knows what kind of accountability they even have these days?... unless a zebra goes off the deep end like Hess did, one wonders what they're willing to do. But yeah, the lack of calls on obvious fouls is getting pretty bad and it seems to be more than a one-off deal. I do hope Roy is letting that be known.
My uva fan friends are totally blaming the loss on officiating. They claim it was totally one sided in favor of unc. They posted videos and pics of meeks shoving defenders to the ground twice and unc players grabbing jerseys of uva players trying to get around picks. They post stats of unc ft's vs opponents over the years and claim a conspiracy. They claim the acc and ncaa wants unc to win the acc and get a one seed for tv ratings.
sound familiar?
sound familiar?
Nothing inane on my end, bubba. After UVA cut it to 9 to start the half, we eventually got it up to 15 with the Hicks dunk, but then our offense promptly went in the tank with 9 empty possessions in a 5+ minute span, only interrupted by the tip-in. And anyone who watches ACC basketball knows that many empty possessions vs UVA usually spells big trouble. Fortunately we were able to hold them to only 2 pts of their own in that dry spell, and JB's 3 not only broke the drought, it broke open the game, not to mention UVA's collective backs. There were still 8 minutes to go but the body language told you they were done and they never sniffed within 20 after that. An early dagger.
So yeah, writing from memory I overlooked the tip-in but that changes nothing about the impact I described.
Yes, it sounds very familiar. Every fan base does it. And yet a few of our fans seem to think it's unique to UNC fans and have to talk ish every time it happens, as if their pride as a UNC fan were at stake. It isn't.
UVA 12 foul shots
UNC 7 foul shots
And your "UVA Friends" said WHAT? smh
UNC 7 foul shots
And your "UVA Friends" said WHAT? smh
Number of foul shots is a horrible way to judge officiating. There are too many other factors that influence that number.
You are dead wrong. I can normally look at it and see who the most aggressive team is, who relies on the 3 ball the most, who plays inside out or outside in etc etc etc.
Well inane was your word son so don't get all bent out of shape with me. I know your man-crush on JB runs deep and you want to try to polish his turd of a shooting performance but that "dagger" was just an extra wound to an already dead body.
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Well, the only thing bent out of shape was your unneccessarily douchey initial comment. And my characterization of the effect on the flow of the game was correct. I wasn't trying to polish a damned thing.
