You mean other than being a first round pick, winning a championship and helping on the recruiting trail by being able to say we had a OAD?
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I'd wager a majority of these kids and families have not seen that amount of money in their entire lifetime, assuming their family members weren't in the NBA. I'd also risk that most of them wouldn't see that much in their lifetime with the "invaluable" worth of a 4 year education.
The draft combine helped help him become a first round pick and if he were allowed to attend after High School the results would have been similar.
Was TB apart of a championship team? Yes and I am not trying to bash the brotha, but it was a limited role that MAYBE could have been filled by another player that would have not left. Again maybe not trying to bash TB at all, but it was a limited role he played especially in the tourney.
Your point about help recruiting, maybe in the future, but he makes our current team suspect as heck which as anybody can tell he was going to be the man down low this year and a way higher pick in the draft.
As far as recruiting it could be a negative because most OAD want to play a lot, and could look at UNC and say those guys left a first rounder on the bench. Something to think about.
Chances are he isn't allowed to attend out of high school. Going to UNC got him an invite.
Not sure what your point is. He helped the team as the first big man off the bench. Is it possible we win without him? Maybe, but you are just speculating. We won a championship, he was a part of that and that helps UNC.
What our current roster looks like doesn't hurt TB any at all. At worst Tony hurt the team for one year in the short run. It's far more helpful in the long run as far as recruiting goes.
I doubt recruits look up the MPG played by former players. Bottom line is he got a guaranteed contract. That's all they care about.
TB was a 5* prospect so yes he would have got an invite. I like TB's game, and he contributed when he got the chance, but also made a lot of errors that put him right back on the bench. I used the term MAYBE we could have gotten the same production out of a 2-4 year player because I don't know who we would have gotten instead, but I am confident we would have gotten a 4* big if we would not have gotten TB. I think a Huffman or Manley or Brooks could have done the same job as TB did last year. (I AM NOT TRYING TO BASH TB, I AM JUST MAKING THE POINT IT IS SENSELESS FOR HIM AND US TO HAVE HIM ONLY ONE YEAR).
Yes any smart recruit will look at the minutes Roy just gave the previous freshman, and if you look back at the first or 2nd post I wrote I mentioned TB made the correct decision because he got the guaranteed money. For some reason your trying to turn this into I think TB should have stayed. I am saying I think the rules need to change so he never had to come and if he did decide to come to UNC he would have to stay for 2-3 seasons.
Yes any smart recruit will look at the minutes Roy just gave the previous freshman, and if you look back at the first or 2nd post I wrote I mentioned TB made the correct decision because he got the guaranteed money. For some reason your trying to turn this into I think TB should have stayed. I am saying I think the rules need to change so he never had to come and if he did decide to come to UNC he would have to stay for 2-3 seasons.
Bradley played less than 15 minutes per game. His pitch to NBA teams was that his skill-set was underutilized at UNC.
That's not likely to help our recruiting.
These OAD guys want to be a first round pick. I don't recall any of them saying that they wanted to play a certain amount of minutes. The only thing that matters is that he got a contract.
I don't recall anyone saying that Tony was a OAD before the season. Between other HS kids, overseas players and college players I doubt he would have gotten an invite without his one year here. And unless you are saying that he didn't develop at all while he was here, it's even a bigger stretch to say he would have been a first round pick.
We could have, but our recent luck with big men doesn't make that a sure bet.
That's not my intent. It was stated that it benefited no one. I think there are clear indicators that it did. That's all.
He was speculating that another player could have done the same. Me saying that people couldn't use the "we don't produce OADs" pitch to negative recruit anymore is far from speculation. Unless you think less negative recruiting isn't helpful, it's a stretch to call that speculating.
You were saying that Tony going OAD at UNC will be "far more helpful" to recruiting. That's clearly speculation.
It gives teams one less tool to use against us when recruiting. How is that not helpful?
Depends on how you look at it. Are you results driven? Because while, sure, it might give opposing coaches one less thing to use against us, there's no way to say that it will indeed help us land a future recruit. And to make the connection that you're making would assume you're one that believes negative recruiting (if it even happens at all) has a significant impact.
Other recruiters have to adjust their pitch to a recruit because of it. Making someone else have to change their pitch is helpful. Seems odd that someone would think it isn't, but you are entitled to your opinion. Roy Williams thinks negative recruiting happens and has an impact. No offense, but I think he's a better recruiter than anyone on this board so I tend to believe him. I guess it's possible that Roy doesn't know what he is talking about and just speculates, but I find that highly unlikely.
You're still avoiding the results. And the results aren't in. Therefore, it's speculation. If we don't land another OAD player in the near future, then did Tony being OAD help? You're arguing that it might have helped because it made our pitch stronger - or rather it made opposing coaches' pitch weaker. I'm saying the end results are all that matters and if we don't sign another OAD player soon, then it would not have helped.
I'm not avoiding the results, I'm saying that the fact you are making other people have to change their pitch is helpful.
Sure, after 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of Med School, 3 Years of Residency and a few more in the workforce, and he's pretty conservative with those living expenses, he'd be on his way to his first million. Assuming he doesn't get burned out at any point during those years. And if he'd rather learn how to operate on brains than make money doing what he's already good at.
Or, he could make the at least twice that overnight in the NBA and, after his career is over, return to UNC and do that. Not a tough choice in my book.
Well, actually, he probably couldn't become a brain surgeon. He has awfully big hands and that's problematic for surgeons.
The point I'm making is that you're chastising people for scoffing at the idea that a player would want to get to the league as soon as possible and make money. When one might argue that it's you and people of your ilk that naturally see young blacks' ability to make a lot of money in only the professional sports arena. So maybe it's "shameful" that you pigeon hole these guys into a life of running fast and jumping high when they could possibly have so much more to offer with a more noble career.
I'm better than a lot of things, sure. But if he can be unreasonably accusatory, so can I.
To my knowledge he hasn't accused you of being racist. No need to be a douche by making this about race.
Nobody has ever argued that it is literally impossible for a player to get drafted in the first round after playing one year at UNC.
The perception is that UNC doesn't allow one-and-done players to shine like Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, Arizona, etc do.
Bradley's pitch to NBA teams was that UNC didn't allow him to shine. That hurts us, not helps us.
Right, so what exactly is your point here?
That's possible, but he still got a contract. At the end of the day, that's what they care about.
It's been said in the past that Roy's system doesn't allow players to show their NBA potential. That is nothing new, so I doubt it moves the needle.
You're absolutely right i'm scoffing at that idea. Because it's ridiculously unfair and likely based on the reason I mentioned above: that the majority don't care about him getting his education. They just want him to play another year in UNC blue.
None of you are in guys like TB's corner, so none of you have any right to chastise his decisions.
If he comes back and gets his education after his NBA career, what does it matter?
Look, I don't know you personally, but I do know that people who tend to bring race into a topic that has zero to do with it often have some pre-conceived notion about race themselves. Only color I'm talking about right now is green. So I'd prefer to leave this topic alone, as it has no business in this conversation.
Furthermore, I have not intentionally accused you of anything. So please don't set up strawmen where there are none.
What's shameful is that you will scoff at a 19/20 year old kid thinking of himself and his family over the "nobility" and moral value of an education. Or because he won't win you titles, whatever your belief is. What moral high ground are you standing on? Your argument is saying Tony shouldn't reach for the stars and jump on an opportunity thats in his face that could set his family up for life. That he shouldn't be extraordinary and should just be average.
You'd have a great career as a Lobbyist, because I've never met anyone that would push the notion that someone making a large amount of money quickly by doing what they love is worse than postponing their chances of making millions for getting an education for a career they might like and might make close to the amount they'd have made.
If you want something to scoff at, use that.
Roy and recruits have both said this was used against him/pointed out to them by rival coaches. And has also been discussed in great detail on this board. This is not even up for debate anymore.
Furthermore, @tarheel0910 makes an excellent point. How many guys road the wave at UK and got a stock boost thanks to the guys carrying the team? No way in hell Marquis Teague is a first rounder without the help of that 38-2 team. Thats just 1 example.
People put way too much focus on how people get there. Although context does matter, the end result is what's most important. If it was context, we wouldn't have had to deal with so much BS regarding the NCAA scandal.
Wrong about what? Not paying any attention to your nonsensical rambling? No, really, I promise I don't really give your opinions any merit.
I don't know why I discuss certain issues with millennials, I already know how y'all think (or don't think). So it's always going to be a pointless discussion.
No skin off my nose. I really couldn't care less that you refuse to listen to logic. The majority of your posts display your poor comprehension skills and your lack of useful insight.
I love how your excuse is bringing up my age. It's no wonder. They say people of your age tend to be stubborn morons anyway, so I'm not surprised. Keep living in the past with your self-righteous notions.
Your assumptions of me are more pretentious than your self-righteousness.
A long read but worth it if you're a Heels fan. And keep in mind this was written prior to the '17 season. We are so fortunate to have him. Anyone who says he's not one of the very best college basketball coaches of all time is just moon bat crazy.
http://goheels.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1437
http://goheels.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1437
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Ergo why he will never be in my discussion of favorite Heels. If he didn't like the way he was being used, I'm glad he moved on.
Hi Archer2, thank you for sharing.
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!!!!!!!!!!!! GO TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!!!!
Based on his body of work, I don't really think he can be in that consideration tbh.
