Kansas and Iowa State are in talks with the Big 10. West Virginia makes sense geographically from the Big 12.
Every conference will talk up its football because it is the main money maker, but I think if UT and OU go to the SEC, every other conference is going to be grasping at straws if they hope to compete in football. It will be SEC all the time, followed, likely, by the Big 10, then the Pac and ACC.
But I guess that's the quandary: who can they possibly get at this point to compete? A&M is pissed as hell, but I don't see them going to the ACC. I think you'll be hard pressed to poach a good Big 10 football team. WVU is a good grab. Ok State is a good football program, and ISU is on the rise, but none of those teams will truly move the needle in terms of national attention and dollars. The ACC should still fight to bolster its football programs, but at this point they are fighting for table scraps.
You're stuck in the 20th century. These athletic departments care about two things. How much money do they have and how do they make more. Being able to brag about being the best basketball conference doesn't make you money.
But do you think more money will come the school/conference way saying you're the best basketball conference, or the 3rd best football conference out of 4? Whether you go for the ISUs, KUs, etc. or not you'll be the 3rd best either way. But get them and suddenly you also become the best basketball conference.
More money will come from being the worst football conference than being the best basketball conference because more people watch football. That's all this is about.
No doubt that we would be a Big school if the ACC ever went under. We are almost a perfect fit.
You think the CFP would actually think playing a 12 game SEC schedule would be a bad thing? Hell, it would probably improve their chances of getting three teams in.
Very true. I have always found humor in the mind game that the NCAA, and the universities, played in talking about the student-athlete. What a joke.
Been wondering the same. I'd think we could get an invite to the B1G or SEC if we'd like. IMO we're the best remaining candidate after UT: combo of flagship school in a big state (that's growing), athletic success, academic prestige, and geography is pretty fantastic. Schools like FSU/Clemson are better at football of course, but Baylor and TCU are better than UT. It's more about fans, brand, alumni, and geography than simply winning. Otherwise Gonzaga, UCF and Boise State would have an easy time finding power-5 homes.
FSU and Clemson's hands are tied with the gor. That doesn't expire until 2036. Imho
Three teams? With a 12 team playoff I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of the teams be SEC.
I was referring to the current 4 team setup. I have no doubt that the SEC gets a minimum of four teams in an expanded 12 team format. Most likely 5-7.
What is the buyout ? Oklahoma & Texas have to pay a whopping exit fee to Big XII, but they will make that plus very quickly in the new set up?
I think that's just rumors. Baring some kind of unexpected big move from the ACC, I do think Clemson and FSU will be gone after the GoR expire or maybe a couple of years before. The ACC needs to make some major moves within the next 2-3 years if it expects to survive this thing. If it doesn't then the ACC as we know it today will be gone. UNC will either be in the Big 10 or in an old Big East type of ACC conference. And before people say they are ok with that, keep in mind that basketball is an arms race too. If we don't have the money, it will be hard to keep up. That also includes Olympic sports for those of you who are interested in those.
It isn't a specific number. The ACC gets any revenue they receive until the rights expire. So theoretically the ACC would get their SEC money. Obviously that would get negotiated though,
I've heard numbers of around 1/2 a billion dollars if they tried now. No way that happens.
Yeah, the Big 12's deal expires in 2025 and the ACC's expires in 2035 or 36. That's why there is such a big difference and why it will be another 10 years before any ACC school can seriously consider jumping.
It means they are not interested in playing in the Big 12. The only way they're not going to the SEC now is if 4 schools vote no. aTm, and Missouri are probably hard no's. They better politic Florida and South Carolina to be on board with them or in a few years Clemson and FSU will be knocking on the door.
I doubt the ACC would renegotiate that at all. Those agreements have stood up in court
OSU and Michigan make so much money in research grants through partnerships with the BIG. Those grants make football money look like a penny jar. I see the scenario where in 7-8 years where DOOK, GT,UNC, and UVA, go to the BIG.
With reading the OK/TX out it seems the schools reserve the right to act individually in their best interest within the GOR, or something worded like that. I think that is where the negotiations come in with the courts involvement, at the point when they do act in their best interest. The bylaws are expected to be followed 18 months notice, exit out fees, etc).
UNC and UVA are a no brainer invite from the Big. GT could definitely be one as well since they somewhat fit the profile. duke doesn't really fit in the Big and assuming the Big stick with their profile they wouldn't get an invite, but they might get one just to entice us. My concern is that the politics of playing duke and moo keep us in a diminished ACC.
