Roy Williams has not coached a future NBA All-Star since being at UNC.
That said, I'll take the 3 titles over all those OAD's All-Star stats.
That said, I'll take the 3 titles over all those OAD's All-Star stats.
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Absolutely!
There's another aspect to this as well. Some great college players are not as good a "fit" for the current pro game. Conversely, several guys who are pro stars weren't world-beaters in college... and then of course there are the aforementioned OADs.
The UNC brand isn't close to eroding, especially when you the G.O.A.T is not dead and gone, especially when you have TarHeel alum still winning rings in the league and still contributing in front offices. The OAD era has really mucked up the NBA and college game and I chuckle when I hear certain fan bases brag about the amount of former players are in the league. Notice how they never say alum.
Back to back FF's and another banner to hang from last season ??? You are somewhat confused my friend. UNC is fine .. the NBA is what's eroding ... jmho
Some of my favorite Heels played from '94 to '04, but we didn't hang any NCAA title banners. I disagree that the brand is eroding. The game is changing and will continue to change, but the only constant with respect to UNC will be the brand. 10 years from now, the dynamics will change and UNC will win yet another banner.
Barnes was close to all star level last year.
A team like UK has all of these recent all-star players but how many of them have played a role on a championship team???
Danny Green has had a huge impact on multiple championships teams.I think he still has the 3 record. Barnes started on a championship team. Hans was a contributor on multiple pacers teams that made deep playoff runs.
A team like UK has all of these recent all-star players but how many of them have played a role on a championship team???
Danny Green has had a huge impact on multiple championships teams.I think he still has the 3 record. Barnes started on a championship team. Hans was a contributor on multiple pacers teams that made deep playoff runs.
Yeah, as with others I disagree with this. More specifically, I don't think our brand is eroding (we won the championship this year!) and I don't think NBA stars would make a large difference.
1. NBA stars are overrated for a college team. Does anyone think of Texas Basketball when they think of Kevin Durant? How about ASU Basketball with James Harden? No, it's irrelevant. If Lebron had been here for 3-4 years then yeah, that would have helped (partly because we'd have been awesome that whole time), but in the one-and-done era stars aren't closely associated with college teams. Kentucky maybe gets a bump just because they have so many stars, but that's just a testament to them putting a ton of guys in the league. Which leads to point #2....
2. The "brand" you're talking about is only related to recruiting, not overall brand (which includes fan perception). Because with 3 championships in 12 years, our overall brand couldn't be stronger. And here's the thing: recruiting brand is largely related to simply the college coach. If Cal was our coach next year do you have any doubt that one-and-done players would be coming here? No, and that's because UNC is not the one losing "brand value". It's simply Roy's brand that has dropped to top recruits, because for whatever reason recruits incorrectly think he will harm their NBA prospects.
So I don't think Roy's "brand" is harming us. Roy has shown he can win without those guys, and whenever he retires we'll either find a coach that can get one-and-dones, or stick with another guy that can win without them (like Pitino/Few/Marshall/Bennett/etc have all shown they can do).
Roy builds TEAMS! Or would you rather he build NBA All Stars?
I thought McCants would be, he could have been but attitude. Then I thought Marvin might be. Not quite. Then of course Barnes. Not yet.
Personally don't care about the original point.... I don't follow the NBA game so doesn't bother me that we have no NBA All-Stars(I couldn't tell u half the players that made the all star teams this past year)....Roy recuits the type of players that he wants to play for UNC and most of the time he makes us very competitive with those players.... Yeah there will be years where we don't get past the 1st weekend of the tourney(2014) but then he builds his team in to making deep tournament runs.... If it wasn't for the 1 and done rule that the NBA as implemented I would assume that 90% of the all-stars would not even step foot on a college campus for their 1 semester before starting their NBA careers and I would be perfectly fine with that..... Our recruiting has supposedly been down for a couple years but all I keep seeing is the results of us making it farther then all these 1 and done factories where the all-stars come from.
This may be true, but I don't think it's all that relevant. Memphis was not producing players before Cal got there. Didn't seem to slow him down in recruiting. I don't think the college brand is all that important for a OAD player; they want to play for the right coach. For whatever reason Roy doesn't have that trust, but if Cal or Sean Miller coached here dollars to donuts we'd be landing top 10 recruits left and right. So the kids don't really care about how many NBA players have come from that school, they care about the results of the coach.
"We've gone 3 straight years without a top recruiting class. These things catch up to you eventually."
I think it's a fair concern, although by all accounts we still look like we'll be pretty good this coming year. If we can just land one good big to go along with White/Black I don't see any particular reason for future worry.
I don't give a flying hippopotamus about the NBA. Didn't watch a single game this year. As long as we're a top ten team nationally, I'm happy.
Just another illustration of Roy doing more with less.
Just another illustration of Roy doing more with less.
I don't follow the NBA either. Not really. I watched a little bit of the finals. Even when our guys go league, I read about them online but I rarely watch. I wish them all well though.
I just care about UNC Tar Heels team. That is why i hope we have guys that stay instead of trying to push them out the door for the O&D deals.
I agree, we need a killer '18 class. We need an elite big and depending on CJ being a 1 year or 2 year player, another wing. I would LOVE to have a stretch 4 like Jawad, but they don't grow on trees.
Interesting Stat.
Someone mentioned Psycho T.... one of the greatest college players in the last 20 years but never an NBA all-star.
And you know what..... I wouldn't trade his 4yrs at UNC for any OAD/NBA all-star
Someone mentioned Psycho T.... one of the greatest college players in the last 20 years but never an NBA all-star.
And you know what..... I wouldn't trade his 4yrs at UNC for any OAD/NBA all-star
This is such a spot on post gaucho. Two great points. The difference between overall brand and recruiting brand. I never thought of it that way but it makes total sense.
OADs who spend 4 months on campus are completely fleeting. Fans remember championships. Coaches recruit whomever they can.
Overall brand = winning
Recruiting brand = coach
Mizzou's brand didn't change overnight. Its coach did.
Tons of great college players who were average at best in the NBA.
Laettner
Hurley
Reddick
Ferry
Dawkins
Gminski
Banks
Williams(Sheldon)
Singler
Schemer
And that's just a few dookies off the top of my head. I could do the same for most basketball blue bloods. The NBA is an entirely different game.
This - Roy is a COLLEGE coach representing his university. He is not a pre- NBA trainer.
We are in the conversation of teams that produce NCAA Titles are we not? What conversation would you prefer we engage in?
3 straight years without a top recruiting class and yet we have done really well, been in the NCAA title game the last 2 years and just won the title. While duke, ky, Kansas, Arizona fans take great joy in winning the recruiting battles do you not think they would gladly trade those recruiting victories for winning national championships?
We went to the championship game because of our roster of junior and senior 4- and 5-stars. Our '13 and '14 classes won us the championship. The '14 class was probably the best combination of talent and experience of any class in the country last year.
The "have high-end talent stay for 3-4 years" isn't necessarily sustainable. Tony Bradley is who we need to be that type of player, and he left. Keeping high-impact players for multiple years isn't normal.
I agree with this. Note it's still different from "our brand is eroding" though. But consider:
We've gotten six top ~50 players from '16-18 (Tony, 7th, B-Rob, Jalek, White, Black), and the guys outside of that have overperformed their ranking (Luke, Kenny, and now Cam all came as relatively low ranked but are serious contributors). We're also not done with 2018, and will hopefully add at least one more top 50 player.
If we're getting 6-7 top 50 guys every 3 years plus filling in with solid role players, I think we'll continue being very good.
And the reality is Roy is not about to become Cal or K. So for the rest of his coaching tenure let's just enjoy the teams he is creating. We should be quite competitive even if we never recreate the 2014 class. 2012 and 2013 were both awesome classes too with this method.
Screw the NBA,UNC is all that matters to me....I prefer 3 to 4 year guys over any OAD.How many titles with all those all stars has UK won again? Experience most of the time wins period.
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