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Shout out to the USMNT

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I know no one around much cares, but kudos to the USMNT for making it out of Pool play and into the Copa America quarterfinals against Ecuador. Ended up as Pool A top seed after Costa Rica upset Columbia. Also glad to see "old man" Clint Dempsey step up and give us the same scoring options he did several years ago. Great chance for us to make the semi's or even the finals. Mexico looks unstoppable though.
 
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Thank you for starting this thread. Awful performance against Colombia (regardless of what Jurgen said, we did not "outplay" them), but much much better performance against CRC.

Yedlin showed sheer stupidity for his red card and it made the remaining 45 minutes of the Paraguay game both nerve-racking and also boring (from an entertainment standpoint). But we held on. With Peru shocking Brazil, we'll play Ecuador in the quarter finals. They are certainly beatable but they could easily beat us as well. I'm interested to see how Jurgen copes with Yedlin's absence. I'd like to see him slide Cameron to RB.
 
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Is "I believe that we will win!" still a valid chant - or did we retire that one after the world cup?
I let it go. Since in the end it left me so empty and disappointed, I thought it better to do so. I prefer "I believe that we can show up and play to our talent level and possibly advance farther than we are used to before getting beat by a good team!" It hasn't caught on.
 
Not gonna start a new thread so let's use this one for comments on the Euro tournament as well. Lots of really excellent goals have been scored so far. Bale's FK, Dimitri Payet's rocket to the top left corner to win it for France, Luca Modric's sweet volley for Croatia, Bastian Schewinsteiger's finish on the half volley from the Ozil cross for Germany. Excellent quality on display. I wish somehow the USMNT could play in THAT tournament.
 
It's still a thing but the American Outlaws (USMNT's official supporters group) desperately needs new material.

I must say one thing I dislike is how American fans try to out-soccer-fan the other countries' fans (if that makes any sense). Like making up stupid chants, having the scarfs they hold up, referring to things in soccer lingo (the pitch, the kits, being "fit" to play, etc.).

I wish the Americans just rolled in and acted like they owned the place, and were gonna call shit what they wanted to call it - and hold up signs shitting on the other team rather than some stupid scarf.
 
Not gonna start a new thread so let's use this one for comments on the Euro tournament as well. Lots of really excellent goals have been scored so far. Bale's FK, Dimitri Payet's rocket to the top left corner to win it for France, Luca Modric's sweet volley for Croatia, Bastian Schewinsteiger's finish on the half volley from the Ozil cross for Germany. Excellent quality on display. I wish somehow the USMNT could play in THAT tournament.
Copa has some good talent but what's on display at UEFA is ridiculous.
 
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Not gonna start a new thread so let's use this one for comments on the Euro tournament as well. Lots of really excellent goals have been scored so far. Bale's FK, Dimitri Payet's rocket to the top left corner to win it for France, Luca Modric's sweet volley for Croatia, Bastian Schewinsteiger's finish on the half volley from the Ozil cross for Germany. Excellent quality on display. I wish somehow the USMNT could play in THAT tournament.

I saw the Schweinsteiger goal live (had some money on Germany so figured I'd watch). Didn't see the rest of them though. That's clearly the "Major League" tournament, and the Copa America is definitely triple-A ball.
 
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I must say one thing I dislike is how American fans try to out-soccer-fan the other countries' fans (if that makes any sense). Like making up stupid chants, having the scarfs they hold up, referring to things in soccer lingo (the pitch, the kits, being "fit" to play, etc.).

I wish the Americans just rolled in and acted like they owned the place, and were gonna call shit what they wanted to call it - and hold up signs shitting on the other team rather than some stupid scarf.
Oh, I 100% agree. I love the game of soccer and I'll admit I'm absolutely an England snob when it comes to watching it....i.e. I choose to to watch EPL 100% of the time over MLS. That being said, I HATE when Americans talk about the game using the terms of the Brits or other countries.

We are American. We do not use words like "pacey" to mean "fast" and "pitch" to mean "field" in normal conversations, so why do it when talking about soccer? Scarves aren't a U.S. sports thing, so why do it for the USMNT? There's no reason we can't be rabid USMNT fans and also do it in our own American way. Wear hats and wear jerseys, that's how American sports fans show their fanhood. I'm okay with the red/white/blue bandanas thing (begrudgingly) because that's sorta unique as Brits don't do that.
 
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Spreads in soccer lol

Oh, it's expected to be a huge blowout! Vegas has the home team at -1.85 with an over/under of 2!
Lol, you laugh but seriously....soccer is a hard sport to bet. Especially IN England because they offer all types of ridiculous prop bets like one where you can bet the score at halftime and then the score at full time and you have to get both right. Or you bet who (as in, which player) will score first in the game....which is a crap shoot.

ETA: on second thought, @Hark_The_Sound_2010 , we need to get you to England sometime in the month span of late August - mid May so you can bet on EPL matches. They're all degenerates over there. The lines even adjust at halftime and you can bet on premise of the match itself. You'd be in heaven.
 
You are an addict lol. Betting soccer is fuggin tough even for me. What spread did you have on it? -1.5?

I had the moneyline which was -190 (i.e. bet $190 to win $100) - I had about half that on the game. But the spread was -1.5 with I think a +110 payout. Obviously wish I had the spread in hindsight but I really would have been sweating it out if that was the case since the second goal didn't come until right before stoppage time I believe. I also had a token $20 on Poland to win their game and watched that one beforehand. Betting soccer is indeed tough - but the GF was gone for the weekend and I figured it'd be a perfect day to just get baked and watch soccer in the morning - and wanted to have a rooting interest so I threw some coin on the two games.

I'd bet tiddlywinks if I were watching it and could get a line on it - but as I've said before - I'm very responsible with it. I never bet more than I can afford to lose, never put my paycheck in danger, and all those other cliches.
 
Don't talk down to me like I don't understand gambling lines ;)

I would've jumped all over that -190 moneyline on Germany though.

That beginner lesson was for the lurkers out there who don't understand but want to learn how to hit it big in the world of sports gambling ;)

Ya I was pretty happy with that line. The thing that's tough with soccer is you need to factor in that the draw is separate bet, and doesn't get you a push if they tie.
 
That beginner lesson was for the lurkers out there who don't understand but want to learn how to hit it big in the world of sports gambling ;)

Ya I was pretty happy with that line. The thing that's tough with soccer is you need to factor in that the draw is separate bet, and doesn't get you a push if they tie.
Yeah like I've said, soccer is uniquely difficult to bet. If possible I always want the moneyline with soccer. I do not feel comfortable with spreads, especially because if it's a competitive match between two fairly even teams, the spread will be like England -0.5, so you're just having to hope England wins....in a game that is likely to draw, which is a loss for you. So to me, moneyline is always better.

And then, if you wanna attack it from a different angle, the O/U is equally as hard. A lot of time, the O/U will be 3. Not 3.5, but 3. Or in a more defensive tilt, it will be 2. By making it a whole number, it's dang near impossible because the difference between, for example, 2 and 3 total goals being scored in a soccer match is pretty severe.
 
Yeah like I've said, soccer is uniquely difficult to bet. If possible I always want the moneyline with soccer. I do not feel comfortable with spreads, especially because if it's a competitive match between two fairly even teams, the spread will be like England -0.5, so you're just having to hope England wins....in a game that is likely to draw, which is a loss for you. So to me, moneyline is always better.

And then, if you wanna attack it from a different angle, the O/U is equally as hard. A lot of time, the O/U will be 3. Not 3.5, but 3. Or in a more defensive tilt, it will be 2. By making it a whole number, it's dang near impossible because the difference between, for example, 2 and 3 total goals being scored in a soccer match is pretty severe.

Ya some of the games in the Copa group stage have had an O/U of 1. The over is like -150 and the under +125 or something like that. It begs for an over bet - but I'd feel like a doofus if it was a 0-0 draw.
 
Ya some of the games in the Copa group stage have had an O/U of 1. The over is like -150 and the under +125 or something like that. It begs for an over bet - but I'd feel like a doofus if it was a 0-0 draw.
A piece of free advice, tournament group stage games are much less likely to end in a draw (especially a 0-0 draw) than is your run-of-the-mill regular season club match. Except in cases of extreme underdogs (like a Jamaica vs. Mexico for example), both teams will be "going for it" so to speak, and not looking for a draw. Now, could it end in a draw? Definitely, but a 0-0 isn't as likely as a 1-1 or something. That being said, it obviously ain't fool proof because on the second day of Copa America, Brazil-Ecuador and Costa Rica-Paraguay both ended 0-0. That being said though, in the other 18 matches besides those two, none ended in a 0-0 draw.
 
......... and now back to our regularly scheduled program. With Yedlin sidelined this game for the red card, I wondered would it be feasible to employ more of a 3-4-3. Have Jones play more of a defensive role out of the mid-field and start Nagbe and let him attack. I think he is being under utilized. After Columbia, it seems Klinsmann has placed the blame(in my mind) in him and Puliseck and not let them back of the bench. Zusi has played well but I really like what Nagbe brings to the table.
 
......... and now back to our regularly scheduled program. With Yedlin sidelined this game for the red card, I wondered would it be feasible to employ more of a 3-4-3. Have Jones play more of a defensive role out of the mid-field and start Nagbe and let him attack. I think he is being under utilized. After Columbia, it seems Klinsmann has placed the blame(in my mind) in him and Puliseck and not let them back of the bench. Zusi has played well but I really like what Nagbe brings to the table.
It would be silly for Juergen to blame Pulisic or Nagbe. He waited way too late to put them on (like 74th minute IIRC). I think the 'problem' is Juergen really likes the starting XI he's been rolling with, which is why it's been the same lineup verbatim for all three games.

I too would like to see Pulisic and/or Nagbe but it's really doubtful Juergen will roll with youthful players like that (even though Pulisic gets major minutes for Borussia Dortmund!!!). To me, Bedoya is a waste of space. I know he hustles and puts in good defensive work to help out Yedlin on the right flank, but he doesn't add any pace, he's an awful finisher, and he's not a great crosser. I would love to see Nagbe start in his place and add some attacking ammo. I don't think he'll go with a 3-4-3 though. It seems like too reckless a formation for Klinsmann. I expect he'll go with the same 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 hybrid and just slot in Cameron at RB and bring in Orozco Fiscal at CB.

Oh, and let me just say I see nothing in Bobby Wood. I think he's been terrible this tournament, despite scoring a goal. He adds very little to the starting lineup, IMO.
 
It's very depressing watching teams like Wales (population 3,063,456) and Northern Ireland (population 1,861,200) field teams that are good enough to not only qualify for the toughest international tournament IMO (the Euros) but also notch wins in said tournament. Other tiny populated countries like Slovakia (5.5 million) and Austria (8.5 million) also routinely qualify for Euros.

Yet the United States, a country of like 350 million people, can't find 23 fuggin good players to make a good team. Astonishing lol.
 
It's very depressing watching teams like Wales (population 3,063,456) and Northern Ireland (population 1,861,200) field teams that are good enough to not only qualify for the toughest international tournament IMO (the Euros) but also notch wins in said tournament. Other tiny populated countries like Slovakia (5.5 million) and Austria (8.5 million) also routinely qualify for Euros.

Yet the United States, a country of like 350 million people, can't find 23 fuggin good players to make a good team. Astonishing lol.

What countries in Europe bigger than those ones fail to make the Euro? I've wondered why they don't just make a Great Britain or United Kingdom team. It would still be mostly England, but then when Wales and Northern Ireland have a Bale-like player, England would essentially just get to add them.

Those countries have the benefit of their best athletes going into soccer. US soccer is at a disadvantage since the best American athletes will go into football, basketball, hockey, baseball, and maybe even lacrosse before they go into soccer.
 
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Those countries have the benefit of their best athletes going into soccer. US soccer is at a disadvantage since the best American athletes will go into football, basketball, hockey, baseball, and maybe even lacrosse before they go into soccer.
Yeah but still, we have 350 million people lol. We need 23 great ones.

What countries in Europe bigger than those ones fail to make the Euro? I've wondered why they don't just make a Great Britain or United Kingdom team. It would still be mostly England, but then when Wales and Northern Ireland have a Bale-like player, England would essentially just get to add them.
Netherlands didn't make the Euros this year and they are a soccer powerhouse (population 17,000,000). England didn't make it in 2008 (population 60,000,000)

And there will never be a Great Britain team. Those other 'countries' hate England way too much and England hates them way too much to ever make it so.
 
Yeah but still, we have 350 million people lol. We need 23 great ones.

Well ya, but when the top athletes go elsewhere, you're stuck with what you have left. If Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Todd Gurley, Patrick Kane, John Wall, Richard Sherman, Zach Parise, etc. all played soccer growing up instead of their sports - I'm sure we'd have one of the best (if not the best) soccer teams in the world. When the best young athletes start going to soccer (if that ever happens) will be when the USA can compete with the upper echelon teams.

And there will never be a Great Britain team. Those other 'countries' hate England way too much and England hates them way too much to ever make it so.

They hate each other so much that they're in a political union with each other? If Wales and NI are satisfied with just making the tournament every once in awhile, and England is satisfied with always being almost good enough but never quite there, then that's fine - I just figure England could pick up the best of the rest.
 
They hate each other so much that they're in a political union with each other? If Wales and NI are satisfied with just making the tournament every once in awhile, and England is satisfied with always being almost good enough but never quite there, then that's fine - I just figure England could pick up the best of the rest.
They're in a political union because, except for Scotland, they were all conquered by England long ago. Wales was conquered by England in like 1050 A.D.

Trust me, they hate each other. Scotland had a vote last summer to whether they should break away from Great Britain. It lost, but plenty of people voted "yes." Northern Ireland is a region England created on a whim. I'm not abreast of the full history, but I know they hate each other. They had a Team Great Britain soccer team for the London Olympics and it was insanely controversial. They had to get the players to publicly speak out support for it in an attempt to quell the controversy fires.
 
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